Observing the sabbath???

Papermonkey · Dec 14, 2022

Yes, we're allowed. God made the Sabbath for us. Not us for Sabbath.

We aren't Jews, we're not under the law. Jesus showed us the Sabbath was serving the kingdom on Sabbath.
That's one of the reasons the Pharisee's were against him. He violated their rules for Sabbath. Not his own, God's.

If a Christian feels led to honor Christ's gift of Sabbath,God bless. Jesus is always with us. I think when we choose one day to be soully,solely,with him, it is just fine.
God made that Sabbath day for us.
Enjoy. 😊

VCO · Dec 14, 2022

mailmandan said:

Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the Ten Commandments not found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever commanded to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses? Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath, but were instructed regarding: Offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10, Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. Why would God leave out the Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses?

The sabbath was made for man, namely, the Israelites. Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath,celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)

In regards to Acts 13:42-44, Paul's work here was evangelism. Notice that these were "unbelievers" in Christ before Paul preached to them. Yes they believed in the Jewish system, but the Bible says in Acts 14:1, that they BECAME believers proving Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were certainly not Christians. Acts 13:43 "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together, and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

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I did a 4 year study on the Location of the Temple. And ended up PROVING the Temple was on the OPHEL. And the Entire top of Mt. Moriah, was the Fortress of Antonia, all 36 acres of it, and down Three Layers, and the Bottom Layer in the South East Corner was a 300 horse stalls belonging to the Roman X Calvary, as well as 6000 infantry that made up the Roman X Legion. Called it "Third Temple News"

Do I think anyone including the Jews, will listen ? ? ? NO!

TMS · Dec 15, 2022

Grandpa said:

I agree that we shouldn't labour to gain our own righteousness and try to keep the law to earn salvation.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:24-25
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Not to gain salvation but because we love the savior.

Devin553344 · Dec 15, 2022

hornetguy said:

Yes the scripture that supports that is where we are to rest on the sabbath. And if you love your brother, which is also in scripture, then you'll want others to rest as well. The rest of the post is in relation to what I have felt from the spirit of peace and love from God.

TMS · Dec 15, 2022

For the same reason that people choose to "not steal and not kill" i choose to not forget the sabbath.

God said to remember the sabbath, and 9 of the 10 commandments are accepted as part of the moral good today but keeping the sabbath holy is cut out and forgotten.

The sabbath was not made for the Jews.
Clearly it was for all mankind.
It was made at creation before Jews existed, and Jesus said the sabbath was made for "man". Man = all mankind, Jesus did not say "made for Jew".

The sabbath was part of the old covenant but so was the command not to steal and not to make graven images, and not to covert. The covenant conditions have changed, but that does not mean every law in the covenant has past away.
Today people know it is wrong to covert and steal but use the excuse that the sabbath was part of the old covenant so they don't need to remember it.

Jesus is Lord of the sabbath so i choose to remember it each week and it is a blessing. Thank God for the Blessing of the sabbath.

Inquisitor · Dec 15, 2022

TMS said:

Ordinance or civil law?

Exodus 22:22
You shall not oppress any widow or orphan.

James 1:27
Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

Please explain how one of the penultimate commands in the scritpure, is a mere civil law?

Obviously, the command to protect widows and orphans in your church, was annulled by Jesus Christ?

What is the law of Liberty?

mailmandan · Dec 15, 2022

TMS said:

Who was God addressing in Exodus 20:8 when he said "remember the “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy?" The Israelites under the old covenant of law or the Church, the body of Christ under the new covenant? Obviously the Israelites under the law.

Exodus 20:1 - And God spoke all these words: 2 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

Deuteronomy 5:15 - And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

Sabbath keeping with all it's regulations, which included controlling the people was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) which falls under civil law.

That is not merely moral and the rules and regulations goes much further. There were burnt offerings that went along with keeping the Sabbath. (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) No kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath. (Exodus 35:3) Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath. (Exodus 16:29) No trading. (Amos 8:5) No marketing. (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19) You say this has nothing to do with controlling the people?

According to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3 and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Where did James say here for the Church to keep the Sabbath day? Paul says differently in Colossians 2:16-17. Also, in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9, we read - "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns." But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter. The old and new covenants do not mix.

Show me just one verse in the New Testament where the Church/the body of Christ is commanded to keep the Sabbath day (with all it's rules and regulations) from the old covenant of law. I'll be waiting.

hornetguy · Dec 15, 2022

Devin553344 said:

Ok... so it is actually just YOUR conscience that says YOU should not cause anyone else to "work" on the Sabbath. Just do not put it forth as "scripture".... any more than saying drinking an alcoholic beverage is a sin.... that is not in scripture, either.
We need to be careful in telling people what they can and cannot do. Primarily because that is not our "job" to do.

XavierJesusLovesIndia · Dec 15, 2022

Anyone want to keep starting the below also?

Genesis 17: every man among you to be circumcised

"11You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you.12For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner--those who are not your offspring.13Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant.14Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."

No? Lol, didn't think so. These precepts of the Old Covenant are not binding now after the Cross, since we are in the New.

Christ never told anyone to be circumcised. He did however tell people to believe in Him and be baptized. Baptism replaces circumcision after the Cross.

Likewise, in the NT, the OT Sabbath is not binding anymore. Many texts in Scripture indicate, and the Church Fathers confirm, the Lord's Day, Sunday, the day He rose from the dead now has prominence both in Communion Service/Worship, collecting tithes/offerings etc. No one is to be stoned etc for working on the Sabbath, as those precepts are nailed to the Cross.

God Bless.

Aaron56 · Dec 15, 2022

Sabbath is a state of being. Being like our Father.
He is currently at rest, we should be too.

Squabbling about observing the Sabbath Day, and suggesting that we observe one day of rest out of seven days, proves that one has yet to enter God’s rest.

8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.

Devin553344 · Dec 15, 2022

hornetguy said:

That's really strange that you say it's my oppinion. That's not what I said. The part about not wanting others to work on the Sabbath is scripture. It was the part about spending it with family and friends that was my oppinion. Here are the scriptures that support what I said. Do you read the scriptures? It doesn't sound like it:
Exodus 20:8-11
Matthew 22:36-40

hornetguy · Dec 15, 2022

Devin553344 said:

You are trying to stretch a scripture to fit YOUR belief system, which is always a bad idea.
Jesus was giving us TWO commandments, to replace the 10 Commandments, or to fulfil the 10.
ALL the law and prophets are summed up in those two commandments.
He didn't say, if you love your neighbor, you will ensure that he lives by your standards. He was speaking of an attitude of love we should have for everyone..... had nothing to do with "keeping commandments"

mailmandan · Dec 15, 2022

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used no where else in the Bible! I often hear Sabbatarians (particularly SDA's) suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458

oyster67 · Dec 15, 2022

roadoftravel said:

It depends on whether or not you are an Orthodox Jew.

Christians only have two commandments...

Matthew 22:
36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The basic idea is to try and not upset your legalistic brethren.

Grandpa · Dec 15, 2022

TMS said:

You need to gain Salvation first and foremost. You don't throw away what the Saviour gives you out of Love for the Saviour.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Hebrews 4:9-11
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

VCO · Dec 15, 2022

mailmandan said:

Who was God addressing in Exodus 20:8 when he said "remember the “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy?" The Israelites under the old covenant of law or the Church, the body of Christ under the new covenant? Obviously the Israelites under the law.

Exodus 20:1 - And God spoke all these words: 2 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

Deuteronomy 5:15 - And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

Sabbath keeping with all it's regulations, which included controlling the people was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) which falls under civil law.

That is not merely moral and the rules and regulations goes much further. There were burnt offerings that went along with keeping the Sabbath. (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) No kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath. (Exodus 35:3) Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath. (Exodus 16:29) No trading. (Amos 8:5) No marketing. (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19) You say this has nothing to do with controlling the people?

According to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3 and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Where did James say here for the Church to keep the Sabbath day? Paul says differently in Colossians 2:16-17. Also, in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9, we read - "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns." But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter. The old and new covenants do not mix.

Show me just one verse in the New Testament where the Church/the body of Christ is commanded to keep the Sabbath day (with all it's rules and regulations) from the old covenant of law. I'll be waiting.

In fact those who only believe in Keeping One Day a Week, are the same as US, who Believe in revering CHRIST Co-Equally Every Day in a Week in our Hearts.

Romans 14:5 (NKJV)
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

mailmandan · Dec 16, 2022

VCO said:

It's good to see you as well brother and I will be lifting you up in prayer to the Lord in regards to your battle with cancer.

Evmur · Dec 16, 2022

roadoftravel said:

you can't pick out just one law to obey, you have to obey it all or leave it alone.

Ted01 · Dec 16, 2022

You'd think that if we were supposed to keep the Sabbath as the Jews did, it would have been mentioned at the Jerusalem
Council (Acts 15)... but it wasn't.

NaturistChristian · Dec 16, 2022

It's interesting to me how many people say that to keep the Sabbath is one of the 613 covenant laws that Moses prescribed for his people and that it is an Old Testament command no longer to be kept by us New Covenant (Testament) Christians these days because Jesus abolished that law at the cross - Jesus is our rest. However, they say none of those things about the other 9 of the Ten Commandments that God wrote on His tablets of stone that He gave to Moses. A very interesting disconnect, in my opinion.

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