Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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A Person Jesus died for

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Justified by His Blood even before they are born into this world.

nope ... as revealed in the verses above, the Lord Jesus Christ died for all descendants of Adam (the world, the whole world). According to Scripture, a person is justified when he/she believes in the Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

they will be born again by the Spirit, and brought under the preaching of the Gospel, and they will hear the good news of their salvation and believe.

nope ... you're saying born again ... then hear ... then believe.

However, according to Scripture, it's hear ... then believe ... then born again:

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise


READ YOUR BIBLE
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1 Cor 2:7

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

This Wisdom of God in a Mystery the Apostles Preach is nothing less than the Gospel of Christ

... nope. The wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom is not the gospel. God never hid the gospel. The gospel is proclaimed throughout all of Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

This is speaking the Wisdom of God in a Mystery, and hidden to them that are lost

... nope. The wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom was hid from prior generations until God revealed it to Paul

Ephesians 3:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit


This wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom was hid in God from the beginning of the world:

Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ


God never hid the gospel.
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I "get" more than you think I "get".

Your point is that only those who are chosen by God can or will hear the Word (i.e. limited atonement).

My point is that Jesus specifically tells us in John 8:45 who does not hear ... those who do not believe ... those who reject when they hear. They stop their own ears.





a statement for which you have provided absolutely no proof.

Your claim is that a person is regenerated, then they hear, then they believe.

I have provided Scripture which shows that your understanding is not in alignment with Scripture:

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Hear ... then believe ... then sealed with that holy Spirit of promise = regeneration





1 Cor 2:14 relates to the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom we read about in 1 Cor 2:7-10 ... the deep things of God.

1 Cor 2:14 does not relate to the gospel. The gospel has never been hid by God. The Lord Jesus Christ is revealed in the whole of Scripture ... from Genesis to Revelation.

For you to continue to teach that natural man cannot hear or believe the gospel is not the truth of Scripture.
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In order to spiritually hear the Gospel and understand it spiritually one must be born of God, Jesus stated that Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

And 1 Cor 2:14 is speaking about the Gospel of Christ, the Wisdom of God

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

I believe God justifies freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood just as is stated in Rom 3:24-25.

You do not agree? That's on you.

No you dont believe Rom 3:24-25 you just think you do, you are deceived. You believe in Justification conditioned on man, on what a man does.

The implication of your statements is that only those born after the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ were "born with their sins forgiven by what occurred for them in 33 ad" (i.e. the crucifixion).

Shows how you lack understanding, my point is everyone Christ died for are born Justified by His death. Even the OT Saints were born Justified by His death, before He died for them.

You have now agreed that that OT believers were justified during their lifetimes and they did not have to wait until 33 ad when the Lord Jesus Christ was crucified.

I have always believed that. Everyone Christ died for, before and after the cross, are born into this world as ungodly, wicked, Justified before God, by His Righteousness Imputed and their sins done away with and forgiven.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

Yes you do deny the testimony of Christs resurrection
Rejection of your erroneous dogma does not equal denial of Scripture.

Again you blatantly deny the Testimony of Christs resurrection that Christs death Justified all for whom He died. Rom 4:25

First of all, we were discussing what is written in Romans 4:3. Romans 4:3 specifically relates to Genesis 15:6. Romans 4:3 does not relate to what is written in Genesis 12.

You finally understand that point, so now you're redirecting to Galatians 3:8 in your desperate attempt to align Scripture to your dogma.

Galatians 3:8 relates to what is written in Genesis 12.

However, you know what is not stated in Galatians 3:8 and in Genesis 12? Neither Galatians 3:8 nor Genesis 12 state that Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness.

Both Galatians 3:8 and Genesis 12 confirm that God told Abraham In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Galatians 3:6, again quoting Gen 15:6 (not Gen 12) states Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Do not conflate Gen 12 with Gen 15.

Do not conflate Rom 4:3 with Gal 3:8.

Rom 4:3, Gal 3:6, Gen 15:6 are all related to each other.

Gal 3:8 relates to Gen 12.

It doesn't matter, its all connected, Abraham believed the Gospel in which the righteousness of God is revealed to Faith from Faith, so he understood Christ the seed of his, was his righteousness.

 

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renewed

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away

the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

These verses refer strictly to Gods elect.

once again you have proved that I was correct in saying that you will endlessly continue to state that I said what you claim ... even though I have never stated what you claim.
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Again its reasonably implied, since you believe people Christ died for can be lost in their sins which He died for already.

 

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The passage explains that there are some who hear the gospel and suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

Romans 1:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein [in the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them


vs 16 – the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes.

vs 17 – the righteousness of God is revealed in the gospel of Christ.

vs 18 – those who do not believe the gospel suppress the truth in unrighteousness. And please note, the verse does not state (as you erroneously claim) that they cannot hear the gospel. The verse says that when they hear they suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

vs 19 – further corroborates that God reveals Himself and some reject God. Again, the verse makes clear it is man who rejects God.


Romans 1:21 – 32 reveals the downward spiral to the endpoint of the reprobate mind. No one is born in that state. The reprobate mind is the result of man stepping further and further away from God. As a person continues to suppress the truth in unrighteousness, there are downward steps to the reprobate mind:

vs 21 – foolish heart becomes darkened which results in behaviors shown in vss 22-23

vs 24 – given up to uncleanness which results in behaviors shown in vss 24-25

vs 26 – given up to vile affections which results in behaviors shown in vss 26-27

vs 28 – reprobate mind which results in behaviors shown in vss 28-32
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Again Rom 1:18ff applies only to the reprobate who Christ didn't die for.

 

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more manipulation of Scripture. The Lord Jesus Christ died for the world ... the whole world ... and whosoever believeth in Him should not perish.

Some folks believe the lie of the adversary and end up being cast into the lake of fire due to their own decision to reject that which God has so freely provided for them to be saved.

God's stated desire:

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...


READ YOUR BIBLE
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All sinners Christ died for are Justified and have eternal redemption safe in Christs hands Heb 9:12

12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption

 

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If you understood the bible, you would know that 1 Corinthians 2:14 relates to the hidden wisdom ...

However, according to 1 Corinthians 2:6 you must be of full age to comprehend that truth.

1 Corinthians 2:

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [Greek teleios = full grown, adult, of full age, mature]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:


Before you can comprehend the truths revealed to those who are of full age, you need to feed on the milk of the word so you can grow up:

1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby
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Again the natural man cannot understand the things of God because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

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Do you not recall what is written in Galatians 3:26??? ... just a couple verses before Galatians 4:1???

Galatians 3:

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


In Gal 3:26-29 we come to understand a person is:

vs 26 – a child of God through faith in Christ Jesus

vs 27 – if baptized into Christ, put on Christ

vs 28 – no Jew / Greek; no bond / free; no male / female because all one in Christ Jesus

vs 29 – if a person belongs to Christ, then Abraham's seed and an heir according to the promise


and have you forgotten what was written in Galatians 3:24 ... just a couple of verses before Galatians 3:26

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

A person is under a schoolmaster (the law) until he/she comes to faith in Christ..


now continue reading the verses you submitted:

Galatians 4:1 Now [now that you are a child of God by faith in the Lod Jesus Christ] I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all

How many times does God have to tell you that we are justified by faith before you believe Him???

God tells us over and over and over we are justified by faith (Gal 3:24, Rom 3:28, Rom 5:1, Gal 2:16, Gal 3:11). And, as I have told you, it is not faith that justifies ... it is God Who justifies. That is why it is so crucial that we place our faith in the One Who justifies ... we are not to place our faith in the lies of the adversary


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Again those whom Christ died for are children of God before they are born again, and that is why they are born again. Christ died for them, redeemed them, then sends the Spirit into their hearts with new life Gal 4:4:4-6

4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[a] of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”

 

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renewed

yawn ... another tired accusation from brightfame52 aka accuser of the brethren.

You do deny Justification by Faith, For Faith is given to the Justified so they will believe

conflating what is written in John 8:47 with what is written in Ephesians 1:13 is improper handling of Scripture.

John 8:45 clarifies what is written in John 8:47 ... the Lord Jesus Christ told them the truth and some did not believe. In their rejection, they stopped their own ears. Others who did not reject (stop their own ears), heard

Ephesians 1:13 states a person trusts after he/she hears ... then sealed with that holy Spirit of promise after he/she believes.


You manipulate Scripture, the precious Word of God to your own detriment.
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No one can hear and believe spiritually until they are born again. So when scripture says they heard and believed like Eph 1:13 they had been born again prior to believing.!

 

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I believe God justifies freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood just as is stated in Rom 3:24-25.

You do not agree? That's on you.

You believe in Justification conditioned on man

nope ... God, the Author of Scripture, determines the means through which He will justify.

Romans 3:24-26 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


You do not agree with Scripture

The implication of your statements is that only those born after the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ were "born with their sins forgiven by what occurred for them in 33 ad" (i.e. the crucifixion).

my point is everyone Christ died for are born Justified by His death

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.



more conflicting statements made by you in your futile attempt to align Scripture to erroneous dogma:

my point is everyone Christ died for are born Justified

born into this world as ungodly, wicked

"born Justified" = error

"born into this world as ungodly, wicked" = truth of Scripture


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

First of all, we were discussing what is written in Romans 4:3. Romans 4:3 specific, ally relates to Genesis 15:6. Romans 4:3 does not relate to what is written in Genesis 12.

You finally understand that point, so now you're redirecting to Galatians 3:8 in your desperate attempt to align Scripture to your dogma.

Galatians 3:8 relates to what is written in Genesis 12.

However, you know what is not stated in Galatians 3:8 and in Genesis 12? Neither Galatians 3:8 nor Genesis 12 state that Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness.

Both Galatians 3:8 and Genesis 12 confirm that God told Abraham In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Galatians 3:6, again quoting Gen 15:6 (not Gen 12) states Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Do not conflate Gen 12 with Gen 15.

Do not conflate Rom 4:3 with Gal 3:8.

Rom 4:3, Gal 3:6, Gen 15:6 are all related to each other.

Gal 3:8 relates to Gen 12.

It doesn't matter

... r – I – g – h – t ... it might not matter to you because you attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.

However, it does matter ... whether you want to admit it or not.

God tells us when Abraham believed God and ... God tells us that Abraham believed God in Gen 15:6 ... not Gen 12 as you claim in your desperation to align Scripture to erroneous dogma.

the Gospel in which the righteousness of God is revealed to Faith from Faith

more manipulation of Scripture

The righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith.

Your complete and utter re-writing of Scripture is indicative that you are not serious in your study of Scripture. You are only interested in your erroneous dogma.

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.


I have gone over this verse with you in the past, brightfame52:

From faith to faith – the verse reveals that the born again one is made righteous through faith alone ... not from works to faith or from faith to works ... from faith to faith. the life of the born again one is to be lived by faith alone.

Matthew Henry Commentary ... "It is not from faith to works, as if faith put us into a justified state, and then works preserved and maintained us in it, but it is all along from faith to faith".

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

These verses refer strictly to Gods elect.

nope

From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:

5. the inhabitants of the world: ... particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race ... John 1:10, 29 ... John 3:16 ... 2 Corinthians 5:19 ... 1 John 2:2​

once again you have proved that I was correct in saying that you will endlessly continue to state that I said what you claim ... even though I have never stated what you claim.

its reasonably implied

more proof I was correct.

having said that ... what is "reasonably implied" is that I have never stated what you claim but that will not stop you from endlessly claiming I said that.
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Again Rom 1:18ff applies only to the reprobate

nope ...

The passage explains that there are some who hear the gospel and suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

Romans 1:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein [in the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them


vs 16 – the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes.

vs 17 – the righteousness of God is revealed in the gospel of Christ.

vs 18 – those who do not believe the gospel suppress the truth in unrighteousness. And please note, the verse does not state (as you erroneously claim) that they cannot hear the gospel. The verse says that when they hear they suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

vs 19 – further corroborates that God reveals Himself and some reject God. Again, the verse makes clear it is man who rejects God.


Romans 1:21 – 32 reveals the downward spiral to the endpoint of the reprobate mind. No one is born in that state. The reprobate mind is the result of man stepping further and further away from God. As a person continues to suppress the truth in unrighteousness, there are downward steps to the reprobate mind:

vs 21 – foolish heart becomes darkened which results in behaviors shown in vss 22-23

vs 24 – given up to uncleanness which results in behaviors shown in vss 24-25

vs 26 – given up to vile affections which results in behaviors shown in vss 26-27

vs 28 – reprobate mind which results in behaviors shown in vss 28-32
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more manipulation of Scripture. The Lord Jesus Christ died for the world ... the whole world ... and whosoever believeth in Him should not perish.

Some folks believe the lie of the adversary and end up being cast into the lake of fire due to their own decision to reject that which God has so freely provided for them to be saved.

God's stated desire:

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...

READ YOUR BIBLE

All sinners Christ died for are Justified

appears you're a universalist ...
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the natural man cannot understand the things of God because they are spiritually discerned.

Before you can comprehend the truths revealed to those who are of full age, you need to feed on the milk of the word so you can grow up:

1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby
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Do you not recall what is written in Galatians 3:26??? ... just a couple verses before Galatians 4:1???

Galatians 3:

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

In Gal 3:26-29 we come to understand a person is:

vs 26 – a child of God through faith in Christ Jesus

vs 27 – if baptized into Christ, put on Christ

vs 28 – no Jew / Greek; no bond / free; no male / female because all one in Christ Jesus

vs 29 – if a person belongs to Christ, then Abraham's seed and an heir according to the promise

and have you forgotten what was written in Galatians 3:24 ... just a couple of verses before Galatians 3:26

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

A person is under a schoolmaster (the law) until he/she comes to faith in Christ..

now continue reading the verses you submitted:

Galatians 4:1 Now [now that you are a child of God by faith in the Lod Jesus Christ] I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all

How many times does God have to tell you that we are justified by faith before you believe Him???

God tells us over and over and over we are justified by faith (Gal 3:24, Rom 3:28, Rom 5:1, Gal 2:16, Gal 3:11). And, as I have told you, it is not faith that justifies ... it is God Who justifies. That is why it is so crucial that we place our faith in the One Who justifies ... we are not to place our faith in the lies of the adversary

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

children of God before they are born again

You plucking verses out of the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them and then insisting that anyone is a child "of God before they are born again" is nothing but your own eisegesis.

Exegesis and eisegesis are two conflicting approaches in Bible study. Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis literally means “to lead out of.” That means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text.​

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The opposite approach to Scripture is eisegesis, which is the interpretation of a passage based on a subjective, non-analytical reading. The word eisegesis literally means “to lead into,” which means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text, making it mean whatever he wants.​

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Obviously, only exegesis does justice to the text. Eisegesis is a mishandling of the text and often leads to a misinterpretation. Exegesis is concerned with discovering the true meaning of the text, respecting its grammar, syntax, and setting. Eisegesis is concerned only with making a point, even at the expense of the meaning of words.​

https://www.gotquestions.org/exegesis-eisegesis.html​

And as you move away from your eisegesis, don't forget the importance of the context within which the Author has placed a verse:

The Bible is the Word of God, literally "God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16), and we are commanded to read, study, and understand it through the use of good Bible study methods and always with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to guide us (1 Corinthians 2:14). Our study is greatly enhanced by maintaining diligence in the use of context because it is quite easy to come to wrong conclusions by taking phrases and verses out of context. It is not difficult to point out places that seemingly contradict other portions of Scripture, but if we carefully look at their context and use the entirety of Scripture as a reference, we can understand the meaning of a passage. “Context is king” means that the context often drives the meaning of a phrase. To ignore context is to put ourselves at a tremendous disadvantage.​

https://www.gotquestions.org/context-Bible.html​

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[reneweddaybyday]

yawn ... another tired accusation from brightfame52 aka accuser of the brethren.

You do deny Justification by Faith

wha ... oh, just the accuser of the brethren back again with his same ole, same ole

when scripture says they heard and believed like Eph 1:13 they had been born again prior to believing.!

Eph 1:13 does not say "they heard and believed" ... and the verse says nothing about being "born again prior to believing.!" under your erroneous dogma, how many times must a person be born again before he/she is really, truly, really, really really, scout's honor born again???

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Ephesians 1:13 states a person trusts after he/she hears ... then sealed with that holy Spirit of promise after he/she believes.
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[notmyown]

wha ... oh, just the accuser of the brethren back again with his same ole, same ole





Eph 1:13 does not say "they heard and believed" ... and the verse says nothing about being "born again prior to believing.!" under your erroneous dogma, how many times must a person be born again before he/she is really, truly, really, really really, scout's honor born again???

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Ephesians 1:13 states a person trusts after he/she hears ... then sealed with that holy Spirit of promise after he/she believes.
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just curious... have you ever looked at this verse in any other translation?

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

nope ... God, the Author of Scripture, determines the means through which He will justify.

Romans 3:24-26 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


You do not agree with Scripture

You can quote scripture all you like, your own testimony says you condition salvation/justification on man, and therefore on works.

my point is everyone Christ died for are born Justified by His death

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God,

which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

more conflicting statements made by you in your futile attempt to align Scripture to erroneous dogma:

Again, everyone Christ died for are born into this world Justified by His Blood having had their sins put away by His death


Heb 9:26

He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Now according to Heb 9:26 how were their sins put away ?

born Justified" = error

"born into this world as ungodly, wicked" = truth of Scripture

Yes born Justified and by nature wicked, lest you deny the Justifying efficacy of the Blood of Christ alone.