Jesus is God

[PennEd]

Matt. 1:23 just shows the definition of Jesus' name, Immanuel.

Without a whole lot of explanation from you, I just want to be clear I understand your position. So please just straight up answer, I know Jesus is the Son of God, but is He also God Himself?
A yes or no will suffice.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Without a whole lot of explanation from you, I just want to be clear I understand your position. So please just straight up answer, I know Jesus is the Son of God, but is He also God Himself?
A yes or no will suffice.

is the definition of Jesus name God with us?

this actually confirms who Jesus is by defining his name

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus the son is all of those things come together in one body one name one lord

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Nehemiah6]

Without a whole lot of explanation from you, I just want to be clear I understand your position. So please just straight up answer, I know Jesus is the Son of God, but is He also God Himself? A yes or no will suffice.

Actually the name of Jesus in Hebrew -- Yeshua or Yahshua -- says "GOD IS [OUR] SALVATION". And Christ is indeed God who is our salvation. There is no other name given under Heaven whereby we must be saved.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Actually the name of Jesus in Hebrew -- Yeshua or Yahshua -- says "GOD IS [OUR] SALVATION". And Christ is indeed God who is our salvation. There is no other name given under Heaven whereby we must be saved.

amen ! ( God has become our salvation )
YWHW isn’t a decipherable word even in ancient Hebrew or Aramaic it’s a “Tetragrammaton” he hadnt revealed his name yet it was being intentionally hidden until Jesus came

“And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭3:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭32:29-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he was always hiding the name Jesus it’s why we never heard it until he came

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In the ot things are hidden intentionally
because men’s hearts weren’t ready

“but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;

which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

All of the revelation about God almighty is in the New Testament including his name the old is presenting the mystery that Jesus revealed in the gospel

 

[PennEd]

Actually the name of Jesus in Hebrew -- Yeshua or Yahshua -- says "GOD IS [OUR] SALVATION". And Christ is indeed God who is our salvation. There is no other name given under Heaven whereby we must be saved.

I’m aware. But certainly Immanuel is one of His names and that’s what I was talking about to Runningman.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I’m aware. But certainly Immanuel is one of His names and that’s what I was talking about to Runningman.

He always responds when you show him scripture making the point sorry to interrupt God bless

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Actually the name of Jesus in Hebrew -- Yeshua or Yahshua -- says "GOD IS [OUR] SALVATION". And Christ is indeed God who is our salvation. There is no other name given under Heaven whereby we must be saved.

sorry brother I just had a feeling you would consider this well or confirm it somehow . forgive my inept ability to express it but

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1-3‬ ‭


then the beginning of that being revealed to believers of the gospel who have heard and believe “ God created everything “ then the revelation to mankind by his spirit

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; ( as of one not three ) and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-5, 9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I hope this makes sense and either confirms a thought you had or gives you a thought about the scripture you know very well

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, ( God ) the Word,( his word of power )and the Holy Ghost( his spirit ) and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Thats Jesus in the beginning but he’s hidden by a veil to those Moses was telling this to in the Old Testament true statement God created all things in the beginning so in the story this is Jesus but he’s veiled and hidden by the design of the ot scripture itself

“And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day:

and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And then the design of the New Testament ( because we receive his spirit ) scripture is intended to reveal God to us in Jesus Christ the message of the Father , and his children who are filled with his holy spirit and as children receive mercy and grace and are given faith and forebearance and taught and helped and lifted along the way

I realize I must seem rude to some, but I thought reading some of the things you write about which usually read and recognize you might find a thought or something of value

sometimes we have to act a fool and mumble to make a point sorry for the length

 

[wattie]

I’m aware. But certainly Immanuel is one of His names and that’s what I was talking about to Runningman.

I have no idea on Running man's actual type of christianity. He has Jesus pre-existing.. yet not God. How can that be? Pretty much all refs to God before the NT are of a fully God being.

Anyway.. I don't post directly to him now.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I’m aware. But certainly Immanuel is one of His names and that’s what I was talking about to Runningman.

The two names go together. That is why it is a little annoying to see people trying to deny that Jesus is fully God. He called Himself " I AM" several times.

 

[Runningman]

I have no idea on Running man's actual type of christianity. He has Jesus pre-existing.. yet not God. How can that be? Pretty much all refs to God before the NT are of a fully God being.

Anyway.. I don't post directly to him now.

I just accept the Bible for what it says and doesn't say. I believe where the Bible is vague, there is often plain and clear English explanation for it.

Anyway, for the past dozen pages or so I've pointed all of that out using scripture, so you're all free to believe as you wish. God bless.

 

[TheLearner]

Yes basically Jesus coudnt come in his glory as the Father to save humanity he had to die and to die he had to become a servant of God...the son has his beginnings, Jesus doesnt have beginnings as the Father but his role as a son has beginnings...he did not preexist as a son....
Hebrews 5:5
"In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father."....so there is a beginning of sonship

2nd Samuel 7:11-14
"The Lord declares to you that the Lord himself will establish a house for you: 12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands."

Since Jesus is the servant of the Father, that makes them two persons. right? I agree

 

[TheLearner]

not keeping up again

 

[TheLearner]

John 1:1b word was with God is better translated word was face to face to God

 

[Magenta]

I just accept the Bible for what it says and doesn't say.

 

[wattie]

Accepting the Bible for what it says is putting things in their right context.

For eg.. the Jews looking to stone Jesus for blasphemy.. the.way they look at someone doing something by another's authority/messaging.. the agent becomes equal in status to the originator.

Another example... Jesus forgiving sin. So someone may say well.. I can forgive someone for offending me.

But the context for Jesus is He is forgiving sin of someone who hasn't directly offended Him. That's something only God can do.

So it's in the context. Verses do not stand alone

 

[Runningman]

Already showed all of the contexts. Jesus received authority from his Father to forgiven sins. He received authority from his Father to give eternal life. All of his teachings came from his Father. All of his power and authority came from his Father.

 

[wattie]

Already showed all of the contexts. Jesus received authority from his Father to forgiven sins. He received authority from his Father to give eternal life. All of his teachings came from his Father. All of his power and authority came from his Father.

Yes, He did receive authority from the Father.. but that doesn't make Him unequal or lesser. That is what the Pharisees and Scribes were picking up on.

Anyway, going round in circles.

Jesus is shown to be fully God all thru scripture. End of story

 

[Runningman]

Yes, He did receive authority from the Father.. but that doesn't make Him unequal or lesser. That is what the Pharisees and Scribes were picking up on.

Anyway, going round in circles.

Jesus is shown to be fully God all thru scripture. End of story

Okay, but a Jesus said his Father is greater than him. This isn’t supposed to go round and round, it’s supposed to stop where scripture asserts the authoritative last word, but have it your way.

 

[wattie]

Okay, but a Jesus said his Father is greater than him. This isn’t supposed to go round and round, it’s supposed to stop where scripture asserts the authoritative last word, but have it your way.

Last time.. after saying the Father is greater He ascended to be one with the Father. No longer in a different position to the Father.. equal. Context again man... context.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jesus is shown to be fully God all thru scripture. End of story

The KJB translators did us a great disservice by (a) failing to capitalize "I AM" in the Gospel of John (as they did in Exodus 3), and (b) adding "he" in italics gratuitously to dilute the impact of each time Christ identified Himself as "I AM" (meaning that He is God). In the Greek Received Text "Ἐγώ εἰμι" = I AM. In Exodus 3, "I AM" is the personal name of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That one chapter is sufficient to show who Jesus is.

I AM THE MESSIAH/CHRIST
λέγει αὐτῇ ὁ Ἰησοῦς Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ λαλῶν σοι (John 4:26)

I AM THE BREAD OF LIFE (repeated twice)
εἶπεν δὲ αὐτοῖς ὁ Ἰησοῦς Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ἄρτος τῆς ζωῆς· ὁ ἐρχόμενος πρός μὲ, οὐ μὴ πεινάσῃ καὶ ὁ πιστεύων εἰς ἐμὲ οὐ μὴ διψήσῃ πώποτε... εγω ειμι ο αρτος της ζωης (John 6:35, 48)

I AM THE LIVING BREAD
ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ἄρτος ὁ ζῶν ὁ ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ καταβάς· ἐάν τις φάγῃ ἐκ τούτου τοῦ ἄρτου ζήσεται εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα καὶ ὁ ἄρτος δὲ ὃν ἐγὼ δώσω ἡ σάρξ μού ἐστιν ἣν ἐγώ δώσω, ὑπὲρ τῆς τοῦ κόσμου ζωῆς (John 6:51)

I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Πάλιν οὖν ὁ Ἰησοῦς αὐτοῖς ἐλάλησεν λέγων, Ἐγώ εἰμι τὸ φῶς τοῦ κόσμου· ὁ ἀκολουθῶν ἐμοὶ οὐ μὴ περιπατήσει ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ ἀλλ' ἕξει τὸ φῶς τῆς ζωῆς (John 8:12 see also John 9:5)

IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS
εἶπον οὖν ὑμῖν ὅτι ἀποθανεῖσθε ἐν ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις ὑμῶν· ἐὰν γὰρ μὴ πιστεύσητε ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι ἀποθανεῖσθε ἐν ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις ὑμῶν (John 8:24)

BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS I AM
ειπεν αυτοις ο ιησους αμην αμην λεγω υμιν πριν αβρααμ γενεσθαι εγω ειμι (John 8:58)

I AM THE DOOR OF THE SHEEP
Εἶπεν οὖν πάλιν αὐτοῖς ὁ Ἰησοῦς Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ θύρα τῶν προβάτων... ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ θύρα· δι' ἐμοῦ ἐάν τις εἰσέλθῃ σωθήσεται καὶ εἰσελεύσεται καὶ ἐξελεύσεται καὶ νομὴν εὑρήσει (John 10:7,9)

I AM THE GOOD SHEPHERD (repeated twice)
Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ποιμὴν ὁ καλός· ὁ ποιμὴν ὁ καλὸς τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ τίθησιν ὑπὲρ τῶν προβάτων·... Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ποιμὴν ὁ καλός καὶ γινώσκω τὰ ἐμὰ καὶ γινώσκομαι ὑπὸ τῶν ἐμῶν (John 10:11,14)

I AM THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE
εἶπεν αὐτῇ ὁ Ἰησοῦς Ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ ἀνάστασις καὶ ἡ ζωή· ὁ πιστεύων εἰς ἐμὲ κἂν ἀποθάνῃ ζήσεται (John 11:25)

CHRIST'S FOREKNOWLEDGE PROVES THAT HE IS I AM
απ αρτι λεγω υμιν προ του γενεσθαι ινα οταν γενηται πιστευσητε οτι εγω ειμι (John 13:19)

I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE
λέγει αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς Ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ ὁδὸς καὶ ἡ ἀλήθεια καὶ ἡ ζωή· οὐδεὶς ἔρχεται πρὸς τὸν πατέρα εἰ μὴ δι' ἐμοῦ (John 14:6)

I AM THE TRUE VINE
Ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ ἄμπελος ἡ ἀληθινή καὶ ὁ πατήρ μου ὁ γεωργός ἐστιν (John 15:1,5)

JESUS OF NAZARETH IS I AM (REPEATED TWICE)
ἀπεκρίθησαν αὐτῷ Ἰησοῦν τὸν Ναζωραῖον λέγει αὐτοῖς ὁ Ἰησοῦς, Ἐγώ εἰμι. εἱστήκει δὲ καὶ Ἰούδας ὁ παραδιδοὺς αὐτὸν μετ' αὐτῶν... ἀπεκρίθη ὁ Ἰησοῦς Εἶπον ὑμῖν ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι· εἰ οὖν ἐμὲ ζητεῖτε ἄφετε τούτους ὑπάγειν· (John 18:5,8)