Why Do We Pretend to know when JESUS was BORN?
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True, but we have no control what pagans, or even satanists do, or don't do. We cannot go through life worried about what "the other guys" are doing.
I don't like the whole "ghosts, demons, witchcraft" side of Halloween, and don't celebrate that way.... but for kids to dress up like Spiderman and go around playing trick or treat is no problem for me....
I don't like the whole "ghosts, demons, witchcraft" side of Halloween, and don't celebrate that way.... but for kids to dress up like Spiderman and go around playing trick or treat is no problem for me....
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I have information on a USB stick somewhere - if I can locate it - which gives a pretty strong argument based on Scripture and the accepted secular historical date for the reign of Augustus that Jesus was born in late September/early October. If you're interested I'll try to find the usb.
Anyway, can you show us in Scripture where and when Jesus and His early disciples celebrated His birth?
Anyway, can you show us in Scripture where and when Jesus and His early disciples celebrated His birth?
We make so much of our own birthdays. How much more important it is to celebrate the Virgin Birth of Christ, where Angels praised God, shepherds rejoiced, and the 3 wise men came to worship Him. That Christ would come was foretold in Gen 3:15 and, from the beginning of the world, for around 5000 years, was the most anticipated event in human history. And which, now that it has happened, remains the amazing thing that God did for our Salvation; coming down from Heaven Himself, being born of a Virgin, and, remaining True God, became True Man. "The Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His Glory, the Glory as of the Only-Begotten of the Father, full of Grace and Truth." (Jn 1:14).
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A praise God the king of kings was born. They still rejoice in heaven .. just been what a tad over 2 days now. As for what day? Is this really what you want to focus on? As for that day its not always talked about ...hmm... clearly? Many leave things out. Its like saying "they didn't celebrate birthdays or the day Christ was born". The proof for these people is "its not written" so they never did. Lol that's a truth yet not. True its not written its not true they never did.
So whats the reason you celebrate it? Is it because you were taught it? Sure yet.. not why I do it. To you a son was born.. that would save the world from sin. HELLO! Yeah I don't worship the sun nor do I care what day it was. Its not about me. Its about God sending Christ to this earth in the flesh to take mans place. So He can have His creation with Him and not be lost forever. Not going to let man or the enemy rob me of this. I feel like this every day. I will never stop celebrating His birth or resurrection.
So whats the reason you celebrate it? Is it because you were taught it? Sure yet.. not why I do it. To you a son was born.. that would save the world from sin. HELLO! Yeah I don't worship the sun nor do I care what day it was. Its not about me. Its about God sending Christ to this earth in the flesh to take mans place. So He can have His creation with Him and not be lost forever. Not going to let man or the enemy rob me of this. I feel like this every day. I will never stop celebrating His birth or resurrection.
Some may say, "It does not matter when He was born. I am just celebrating His birth."; whereas others may say "Jesus is the reason for the season." Is that really the case? If Jesus is the reason for the season, then why didn't He let us know when to celebrate his birth? We claim we love Jesus so much but why don't we observe his death as he commanded us. Luke 22:19, "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and break it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me."
He commanded us to observe the Passover, not Easter, which is also a pagan holiday associated with wild sexual orgies. Jesus commanded us to observe the Holy Days in Leviticus the 23rd chapter but we ignore those days and observe traditions that have nothing to do with Jesus. Let's go to (Matthew 15: 1-9). 1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
He commanded us to observe the Passover, not Easter, which is also a pagan holiday associated with wild sexual orgies. Jesus commanded us to observe the Holy Days in Leviticus the 23rd chapter but we ignore those days and observe traditions that have nothing to do with Jesus. Let's go to (Matthew 15: 1-9). 1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
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Yes, indeed. Does the scripture say that, "He that eats does so unto the Lord, and He who does not eat also does so unto the Lord". And also , " to the pure all things are pure, and to the unpure nothing is pure". Also something to the effect of, some keep new moons and feast day and some esteem all days the same.
Every Sunday.
No, He doesnt. Those celebrations are as it is written, "a type and shadow of the things that were to come, but the substance is Christ".
Mathew 15:1-9 as you quoted, is not about celebrating holidays or feast days. Its about hypocrisy, they made loop holes in the law by the "oral traditions".
So, do according to your conscience and allow others the same.
Every Sunday.
No, He doesnt. Those celebrations are as it is written, "a type and shadow of the things that were to come, but the substance is Christ".
Mathew 15:1-9 as you quoted, is not about celebrating holidays or feast days. Its about hypocrisy, they made loop holes in the law by the "oral traditions".
So, do according to your conscience and allow others the same.
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What many miss about the birth of the christ child is that it changed time for all.
It has effected the whole world.
Truth has come to the world in the form of flesh ......believe it or not. Celebrate it or not.
A son was given. A miracle happened. According to the hebrew scriptures.
What happens after a miracle? We are prone to forget.
I believe that this is why GOD gave his feast and holidays to Israel........to remember and celebrate.
No Dec 25 is not the correct day but it is a day to remember...to reflect....to share. For upon this day in the city of david a savior was born. Christ the Lord.
This holiday is known throughout the world. Although it is celebrated differently it points to a special time in history.
Joseph and mary became parents that day. And for 30 yrs they went back to their home. Back to work, raising children, going to the temple, back to life in the world. But i dont think for a moment they forgot the birth of their eldest son, and the promises of God.
It has effected the whole world.
Truth has come to the world in the form of flesh ......believe it or not. Celebrate it or not.
A son was given. A miracle happened. According to the hebrew scriptures.
What happens after a miracle? We are prone to forget.
I believe that this is why GOD gave his feast and holidays to Israel........to remember and celebrate.
No Dec 25 is not the correct day but it is a day to remember...to reflect....to share. For upon this day in the city of david a savior was born. Christ the Lord.
This holiday is known throughout the world. Although it is celebrated differently it points to a special time in history.
Joseph and mary became parents that day. And for 30 yrs they went back to their home. Back to work, raising children, going to the temple, back to life in the world. But i dont think for a moment they forgot the birth of their eldest son, and the promises of God.
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According to the word of God it's says......Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Ex.20:8-11.
Not Sunday, the first day of the week!
Yes, the world has forgotten to sanctify the Sabbath and that is the reason why we (the world) are in such a terrible state today. "The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, change the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the cursed devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left." (Isaiah 24:5-6).
The Lord's Supper is an important part of worship in the Christian church and it is referred to by a number of different titles. It is called the Eucharist, the breaking of bread, the last supper, and its more commonly known reference, is that of Communion. The denomination one belongs to determines when the Lord's Supper is observed. The times range from once a month, to once every week In examining the scriptures, one will find that the event Christians observe which they call communion is actuality the Passover, and it should be observed once a year.
A FEAST OF THE LORD The following verses show that Jesus and His disciples, by observing the Passover, were directly obeying a commandment of God. In (Leviticus 23:1) And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, (2) Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts (4) These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. (5) In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.
One should take note of the fact that verse (2) and (4) point out that these feasts are feasts of the Lord. Contrary to popular belief, the Passover does not belong to any particular group of people. As indicated by scripture, the Passover belongs to the Lord for it is the Lord's Passover.
Where Did Christmas Come From?
World Scope Encyclopedia (1960 vol.3) states, "Christmas, the festival observed by the Christian Church on the 25th day of December in commemoration of the birth of Jesus Christ. No certain knowledge of the birthday of Jesus Christ exists and its observance was not established until some time after the organization of the first churches. The 25th day of December was advocated by Julius 1, Bishop of Rome from 337 to 352, as the most suitable time to commemorate the birth of Christ. The day was finally placed on December 25th, which made it possible for all nations to observe a festival of rejoicing that the shortest day of the year has passed. The end of December was an especially significant time in the northern hemisphere. Days were short; nights long. The sun was at its lowest point. This called for the celebration of special festivals of thanksgiving and encouragement to the waning sun. When at the winter solstice in late December, the days began to lengthen once again, there was great festivity lasting into the first part of January. The reason was that the declining sun---the light of the world--had been reborn and began to gain in strength. Moreover, the newly converted peoples found it convenient to get a kind of substitute for their original celebrations of the solstice ". The birth of Jesus the Christ was assigned the date of December 25th, because on this day, as the sun began its return to the northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra (the Persian's Sun God) celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun).
The history book a Pictorial History of the Italian People states, "Saint Gregory was repelled by Graeco-Roman civilization and, paradoxically, did more than anyone else to facilitate the absorption of pagan residues into Italian Christianity. Through that process of absorption, any paganism hostile to Christianity remaining in Italian rural communities faded away".
The simple fact is that, as more and more people from throughout the Western Roman Empire became converted to an increasingly popular Christianity, they brought many of their favorite customs with them. "The pagan [winter festivals of the] Saturnalia and Brumalia were too deeply entrenched in popular custom to be set aside by Christian influence... The pagan festival with its riot and merrymaking was so popular that Christians were glad of an excuse to continue its celebration with little change in spirit or in manner... Christians of Mesopotamia accused their western brethren of idolatry and sun-worship for adopting as Christian this pagan festival. Yet the festival rapidly gained acceptance and became at last so firmly entrenched that even the Protestant revolution of the sixteenth century was not able to dislodge it..." (The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Volume III, article "Christmas.") You see this going on in churches today. Churches are constantly recruiting new members from other denominations and they often bring some aspect of their previous church to the new one. If you notice, many Christians today celebrate the Roman Catholic tradition of Lent. Historically, Lent, was not celebrated by Protestant churches.
World Scope Encyclopedia (1960 vol.3) states, "Christmas, the festival observed by the Christian Church on the 25th day of December in commemoration of the birth of Jesus Christ. No certain knowledge of the birthday of Jesus Christ exists and its observance was not established until some time after the organization of the first churches. The 25th day of December was advocated by Julius 1, Bishop of Rome from 337 to 352, as the most suitable time to commemorate the birth of Christ. The day was finally placed on December 25th, which made it possible for all nations to observe a festival of rejoicing that the shortest day of the year has passed. The end of December was an especially significant time in the northern hemisphere. Days were short; nights long. The sun was at its lowest point. This called for the celebration of special festivals of thanksgiving and encouragement to the waning sun. When at the winter solstice in late December, the days began to lengthen once again, there was great festivity lasting into the first part of January. The reason was that the declining sun---the light of the world--had been reborn and began to gain in strength. Moreover, the newly converted peoples found it convenient to get a kind of substitute for their original celebrations of the solstice ". The birth of Jesus the Christ was assigned the date of December 25th, because on this day, as the sun began its return to the northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra (the Persian's Sun God) celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun).
The history book a Pictorial History of the Italian People states, "Saint Gregory was repelled by Graeco-Roman civilization and, paradoxically, did more than anyone else to facilitate the absorption of pagan residues into Italian Christianity. Through that process of absorption, any paganism hostile to Christianity remaining in Italian rural communities faded away".
The simple fact is that, as more and more people from throughout the Western Roman Empire became converted to an increasingly popular Christianity, they brought many of their favorite customs with them. "The pagan [winter festivals of the] Saturnalia and Brumalia were too deeply entrenched in popular custom to be set aside by Christian influence... The pagan festival with its riot and merrymaking was so popular that Christians were glad of an excuse to continue its celebration with little change in spirit or in manner... Christians of Mesopotamia accused their western brethren of idolatry and sun-worship for adopting as Christian this pagan festival. Yet the festival rapidly gained acceptance and became at last so firmly entrenched that even the Protestant revolution of the sixteenth century was not able to dislodge it..." (The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Volume III, article "Christmas.") You see this going on in churches today. Churches are constantly recruiting new members from other denominations and they often bring some aspect of their previous church to the new one. If you notice, many Christians today celebrate the Roman Catholic tradition of Lent. Historically, Lent, was not celebrated by Protestant churches.
Even Kwanza, founded 1966 by Dr. Maulana Karenga, which people are starting to celebrate and mingle into the church is based on the Nguzo Saba (seven guiding principles), one for each day of the observance, and is celebrated from December 26th to January 1st. A Kinara (candle holder); Mkeka (placemat preferably made of straw); Mazao (crops, i.e., fruits and vegetables); Vibunzi (ears of corn to reflect the number of children in the household); Kikombe cha umoja (communal unity cup); Mishumaa saba (seven candles, one black, three red, and three green); and Zawadi (gifts that are enriching). Its focus is said to be on these traditional African values. It's been said that Kwanza is a time of reaffirming African-American people, their ancestors and culture. Kwanzaa, means "first fruits of the harvest" in the African language Kiswahili. But the Lord has a harvest festival called the Feast of the Tabernacles. Why don't African-Americans, as well as all Christians, celebrate it?
Leviticus 23:34-41 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day: 38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
40 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days. 41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
Leviticus 23:34-41 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day: 38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
40 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days. 41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
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Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.
Acts 20:7 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/act.20.7.NKJV
Acts 20:7 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/act.20.7.NKJV
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Yeah.... I don't know how we'd get over 2000 candles on one cake.... 
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