Corporal punishment in schools. Is it time to bring back the strap?

[JohnDB]

School teachers have been notorious for being unskilled in the classroom...
everything from failing their own tests to setting up caste systems and animosity towards other students for no ryme or reason other than the side of the classroom they sat on.
Then there's a minimum of at least 5% of the current teachers who are pedophiles.

Then there's the few good teachers who are left unsupported by administration when dealing with unruly students who disrupt class. These students are poorly parented at home (abuse, neglect, and etc) and cause chaos in school.

Then on top of this....classes are now taught to the ability of the lowest performing child. Not the middle and let grades be what may...but the lowest performing so everyone gets a passing grade.
And now there is also no such thing as "the short bus"....so special needs children are mixed in with regular children. So all students are taught at a special needs level. The exceptional students are mixed in as well. But often those kids (the ones capable of graduating HS at 9 years old) just GED out and get warehousing until emotionally mature enough for college. They used to get special classes to help them with their advanced cognitive skills and understand

 

[HeIsHere]

School teachers have been notorious for being unskilled in the classroom...
everything from failing their own tests to setting up caste systems and animosity towards other students for no ryme or reason other than the side of the classroom they sat on.
Then there's a minimum of at least 5% of the current teachers who are pedophiles.

Then there's the few good teachers who are left unsupported by administration when dealing with unruly students who disrupt class. These students are poorly parented at home (abuse, neglect, and etc) and cause chaos in school.

Then on top of this....classes are now taught to the ability of the lowest performing child. Not the middle and let grades be what may...but the lowest performing so everyone gets a passing grade.
And now there is also no such thing as "the short bus"....so special needs children are mixed in with regular children. So all students are taught at a special needs level. The exceptional students are mixed in as well. But often those kids (the ones capable of graduating HS at 9 years old) just GED out and get warehousing until emotionally mature enough for college. They used to get special classes to help them with their advanced cognitive skills and understand

This is full of ridiculous generalizations, just sayin.

 

[JohnDB]

This is full of ridiculous generalizations, just sayin.

If ONLY what you were saying was true....I really wish it was. Unfortunately it isn't.

 

[HeIsHere]

I remember my mom had written me a note I think it was I had to miss a day or something, recall exactly cuz that's been a lot of years. It was fourth grade. But what does stick out in my memory is this one teacher said I was lying and she was going to call my mother.
I told her to go ahead and call but I could assure her that conversation wouldn't go in her favor if my mother came up there
One teacher had a whole hissy fit because I got up to retrieve a dropped pencil without raising my hand and asking permission. So it was like we were in the military or something

We have all endured bad teachers but you stated they were all rude and hateful, but that is only your perception.

I am doubtful this was the reality, since in one year you could not have experienced every teacher at the school and generally speaking students who have troubles with teachers have challenges with authority figures or they are not neurotypical (meaning ADHD, Autism etc.,).

 

[HeIsHere]

If ONLY what you were saying was true....I really wish it was. Unfortunately it isn't.

When was the last time you were involved in a concrete way, on staff at a school?

 

[Dude653]

Didn't that rock band pink Floyd write a song about teachers and their militant manner?

I'm pretty sure that whole album was a metaphor for a fascist government regime

 

[Dude653]

We have all endured bad teachers but you stated they were all rude and hateful, but that is only your perception.

I am doubtful this was the reality, since in one year you could not have experienced every teacher at the school and generally speaking students who have troubles with teachers have challenges with authority figures or they are not neurotypical (meaning ADHD, Autism etc.,).

Remember when I was in the third grade one teacher was complaining to my parents because I tended to daydreaming class and she talked there must be something wrong with me so my parents took me to the doctor and turns out I just have a.d.d. Still have it as an adult. I remember there was another teacher who taught a history class and she called my mom up there concerned that I wasn't paying attention in her class but I had almost a perfect average in her class so I'm sitting there thinking why are we even having this conversation?

 

[HeIsHere]

Remember when I was in the third grade one teacher was complaining to my parents because I tended to daydreaming class and she talked there must be something wrong with me so my parents took me to the doctor and turns out I just have a.d.d. Still have it as an adult. I remember there was another teacher who taught a history class and she called my mom up there concerned that I wasn't paying attention in her class but I had almost a perfect average in her class so I'm sitting there thinking why are we even having this conversation?

Well thankfully more teachers understand ADHD-ADD so they better equipped to provide better instruction.
Some kids with ADHD pay attention to everything but it doesn't always look that way from the outside.

 

[Lanolin]

So suspending the students just gives them a holiday from learning. Who is disciplining our young people if the state threatens uplift if the parents smack their children for misbehaving?
End of year and still students are being suspended for fighting and other undesirable behaviour.
Most schools model a framework of positive behaviour but it doesnt work on some students. A mostly female school staff isnt helping either. Boys dont respect their authority. Its pretty disheartening to see how angry these young boys can get. I think schools are too soft on bad behaviour and most principals dont set the best standard for their schools. Some people think its abuse but you can ask the children nicely in a positive tone to correct the behaviour maybe several times or you can get the strap out and this speeds up the correction.

Im thinking there must be a better method of punishment than a strap (girls were never strapped apparently they were given lines and detention)
Im thinking take them out for a time weeding the garden or something so they can unleash their frustration on. the weeds or pull out gorse with their bare hands.

 

[Lanolin]

Walking on hot coals used to work didnt it?

 

[Lanolin]

ADHD is a difficult one even when they are on the drugs/medication

I think they need a healthier diet I have one girl who doesnt seem to want to learn and wont try. It could be shes dyslexic but it seems the parents dont want to know or theres not enough support for them

dyslexia can make it very hard for children to read and concentrate when their eyes are swimming all over the place...not sure if its over stimulation or what. It could be a sensory issue

 

[Lanolin]

We have many children who are neurotypical but not enough to have an entire special needs classroom so they disrupt others from learning when teachers have to deal with their problems one on one.

thers not enougn teacher aides, resources are being stretched

 

[Lanolin]

I think if children ARE being suspended its not that they get a holiday they also need looking after and to learn in their own way. Maybe they need teaching outside of the classroom in the open air or to be more involved with sports to channel aggression. But parents and family situations and also poverty are things schools cant control what goes on outside of school hours, unless they a boarding school....

 

[Beckie]

Yep no side effects of the drug culture .. nope nope none

 

[JohnDB]

Most ADHD disorders are imagined...by boring teachers who can't hold anyone's attention much less a child's attention.

ADHD means that the child is bright...they don't need repetitious assignments and long boring lectures on concepts they grasped in 60 seconds but the lecture drones on for 10-20 minutes....they need massive amounts of information instruction that will hold their attention.

Then give them assignments that require using the knowledge.

We have been under-educating our children for decades.

If pressed, an average 9 year old child can absorb an entire 4 year high school curriculum and test on the information with passing grades.

Do we do that?

Of course not.

But....
If given a group of ADHD kids without ever having those drugs you can instruct them to build and make some of the most complicated and complex equipment in the world.

But see....it's all about Gubberment Cheese. Federal School lunch programs and federal tax dollars for special needs and head start. They have a vested interest in not teaching children. Because it profits a community not to.

Children and your average adult can absorb around 400 words per minute...when focused, a child can do up to 800 wpm. Yet untrained and undisciplined their thinking isn't capable of overturning the apple carts. They don't have the requisite social and emotional maturity to do so.

And most parents and teachers are so incongruent in their behaviors that they can't handle the logic most 13yo throw at them.

Stop with the video games and television being the most challenging thing they have to focus on. See what happens then.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Didn't that rock band pink Floyd write a song about teachers and their militant manner?

That was the popular hit for a long time, but one of the least on the album The Wall according to fans. Without going off on a rabbit trail, it was a reflection on the Prussian training system that has been adopted by most of the world. Adolf Hitler popularized it as America confirmed by adoption of the preschool kinderhaus/kindergarten and the public fool system today. History shows it was set up for mega corporate interests, not that of the families. My sincere respects to the exceptional minority of good christian teachers out there, many with whom I've taught.

Second, the writer of that album, The Wall, was a portrayal of the lead singer's bitter loss of his father to the WW2 war machine. The two album set is basically a protest to the Nazi power and British experiences to the war. IMHO , it was by far the biggest war protest work of any artists. I'm not here addressing the style of music, but rather explaining the concept and context of the song you asked about. There was a lot of child labor, hard factory work to feed that war machine in the midst of tough times. Not only father's, but children were disposable fodder for the war industry. That was portrayed by the music video. It wasn't about children rebelling against education. It was a musical about mind controlled slaves who were victims of that harsh system.
Anyhow, I'm starting to write another book to answer your one question. Lol

Pink Floyd's Roger Waters Reflection of His Dad

 

[JohnDB]

That was the popular hit for a long time, but one of the least on the album The Wall according to fans. Without going off on a rabbit trail, it was a reflection on the Prussian training system that has been adopted by most of the world. Adolf Hitler popularized it as America confirmed by adoption of the preschool kinderhaus/kindergarten and the public fool system today. History shows it was set up for mega corporate interests, not that of the families. My sincere respects to the exceptional minority of good christian teachers out there, many with whom I've taught.

Second, the writer of that album, The Wall, was a portrayal of the lead singer's bitter loss of his father to the WW2 war machine. The two album set is basically a protest to the Nazi power and British experiences to the war. IMHO , it was by far the biggest war protest work of any artists. I'm not here addressing the style of music, but rather explaining the concept and context of the song you asked about. There was a lot of child labor, hard factory work to feed that war machine in the midst of tough times. Not only father's, but children were disposable fodder for the war industry. That was portrayed by the music video. It wasn't about children rebelling against education. It was a musical about mind controlled slaves who were victims of that harsh system.
Anyhow, I'm starting to write another book to answer your one question. Lol

Pink Floyd's Roger Waters Reflection of His Dad

Let's not forget Lenard Skinnard. Named after Lenny Skinner....a notorious principle of a high school....eventually sent to prison.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Most ADHD disorders are imagined...by boring teachers who can't hold anyone's attention much less a child's attention.

ADHD means that the child is bright...they don't need repetitious assignments and long boring lectures on concepts they grasped in 60 seconds but the lecture drones on for 10-20 minutes....they need massive amounts of information instruction that will hold their attention.

Then give them assignments that require using the knowledge.

We have been under-educating our children for decades.

If pressed, an average 9 year old child can absorb an entire 4 year high school curriculum and test on the information with passing grades.

Do we do that?

Of course not.

But....
If given a group of ADHD kids without ever having those drugs you can instruct them to build and make some of the most complicated and complex equipment in the world.

But see....it's all about Gubberment Cheese. Federal School lunch programs and federal tax dollars for special needs and head start. They have a vested interest in not teaching children. Because it profits a community not to.

Children and your average adult can absorb around 400 words per minute...when focused, a child can do up to 800 wpm. Yet untrained and undisciplined their thinking isn't capable of overturning the apple carts. They don't have the requisite social and emotional maturity to do so.

And most parents and teachers are so incongruent in their behaviors that they can't handle the logic most 13yo throw at them.

Stop with the video games and television being the most challenging thing they have to focus on. See what happens then.

The games, internet surfing and TV contribute heavily to that. I believe that physical brain trauma also is a factor as many parents discovered after subjecting their children to vaccines. On top of that are the chemicals and neuro-inflammatory substances in processed foods. Rather than removing those and changing the children's habits to healthy ones, they are taken to Dr Mengala for the psychoactive drugs and amphetamines. This sets up many children with lifelong drug dependence.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Let's not forget Lenard Skinnard. Named after Lenny Skinner....a notorious principle of a high school....eventually sent to prison.

I didn't know that. Interesting trivia. Did they start that band while in highschool?

 

[JohnDB]

I didn't know that. Interesting trivia. Did they start that band while in highschool?

I can't remember all of the history...there is more but it's escaping me...just remember that tidbit.