Senate passes same-sex marriage bill with bipartisan support

[MsMediator]

Statistics say differently. With so much homosexual advocacy in recent times, there has been significant rise in the size of the homosexual community. If homosexuality was merely an innate characteristic, no amount of information would substantially increase the homosexual population. The increase is causal because homosexuality is large influenced by the environment and not innate.
You may say some of the environmental factors are not within the control of an individual, but homosexuality is a learned behavior.

Not sure gays are borned that way or learned, but heard that it is difficult to go back to hetero after engaging in gay sex.

 

[Cameron143]

Imagine that!
The adversary has a long history of confusing people and has gotten very good at it though already defeated.
best wishes

Hey brother. Hope all is well. Keep planting and watering. We'll see fruit if we faint not.

 

[Cameron143]

Got any receipts to back up that claim?
Nobody just magically turns gay because they saw a gay person. Let's come back to reality

I just Googled a nice research paper called "What Caused Homosexuality " by A. People that presents both sides of the argument and the research done and what it means.
Too much to digest at once and the author is critical of the biological studies but it looks pretty good.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

How exactly would you protect neurons? That doesn't even make sense

Well what you said didn't make sense so I was joking with it but that wasn't the question.

What if I'm the dictator and have the power to protect myself from harm. I wish not to experience harm and due to this I feel confident force my morality on everyone else. Then I would have the moral high ground right?

 

[Eli1]

Why are The Gays or Abortion elevated as High Sins?
What do we gain from this?

 

[Cameron143]

Why are The Gays or Abortion elevated as High Sins?
What do we gain from this?

You were right when you said before that this is largely an American thing.
For me personally it's because I believe sin is progressive and if left unchecked it becomes increasingly more heinous. And I believe God will put up with a certain level of sin and then if His warnings aren't heeded He will no longer constrain sin but give a nation over to judgment. The end of Romans 1 suggests that homosexuality is one of the sins that portends such judgment.
We've talked before of the priority and value I personally place on life.
As for others, I'm not sure.

 

[Eli1]

You were right when you said before that this is largely an American thing.
For me personally it's because I believe sin is progressive and if left unchecked it becomes increasingly more heinous. And I believe God will put up with a certain level of sin and then if His warnings aren't heeded He will no longer constrain sin but give a nation over to judgment. The end of Romans 1 suggests that homosexuality is one of the sins that portends such judgment.
We've talked before of the priority and value I personally place on life.
As for others, I'm not sure.

‘When it comes to enforcing our views on others im always reminded that God created us in His image and gave us free will.
So basically even He did not want robots but free-willed creatures to go to Him. So who am I to impose my will on others?

Why Did He give us free will?
Well I’ve reasoned this to Appreciation. A free-willed creature will appreciate God more than a programmed creature.

 

[Cameron143]

‘When it comes to enforcing our views on others im always reminded that God created us in His image and gave us free will.
So basically even He did not want robots but free-willed creatures to go to Him. So who am I to impose my will on others?

Why Did He give us free will?
Well I’ve reasoned this to Appreciation. A free-willed creature will appreciate God more than a programmed creature.

Good points. But how has abortion been halted. The Roe decision only sent the matter back to the states and regardless of a law against homosexuality, it would be impossible to enforce privately. It is impossible to legislate morality. But having national policies in place will stay judgment and bring blessings.
But mostly for me, I recognize that those who do these sins are likely heading for eternal judgment and my heart breaks for such people. How can we be like the good Samaritan if we just walk by? As it is truth that sets one free, I view sharing truth as a salve of healing.
People are still free to reject truth. After a certain point I stop sharing if it seems fruitless and just pray for them.

 

[Eli1]

Good points. But how has abortion been halted. The Roe decision only sent the matter back to the states and regardless of a law against homosexuality, it would be impossible to enforce privately. It is impossible to legislate morality. But having national policies in place will stay judgment and bring blessings.
But mostly for me, I recognize that those who do these sins are likely heading for eternal judgment and my heart breaks for such people. How can we be like the good Samaritan if we just walk by? As it is truth that sets one free, I view sharing truth as a salve of healing.
People are still free to reject truth. After a certain point I stop sharing if it seems fruitless and just pray for them.

How to become like the Good Samaritan.? Yes that’s a great question.
I mean HOW do you change someone’s lifestyle or mindset? This is pretty big if you think about it.
‘I think the approach matters. For one you should never say “I am right, and you are wrong”, because that’s how you push the other away.
Since you mentioned the Samaritan then this should be your guiding light because the Samaritan had nothing but good-will for the person laying on the road.
So if you have good-will you need to respect someone‘s freedom, free-thought while showing genuine care for them and not judgment or arrogance.

And if they don’t respond to that then it’s out of your hands but you did your job anyway.

 

[Scarecrow]

Due to State laws my Dad couldn't get my brother from another marriage until he was 15. By that time, he had been molested by the Cub Scouts leader and the Catholic Priest his mother forced him to be altar boy for.

Today, I have access to literally hundreds of homosexuals and lesbians who have all told me they're gay because the abuse as a child messed them up.

and there are hundreds of thousands of heterosexuals who were abused as children and are messed up.

In fact, when I make claims in the direction of Scarecrow and Yourself, I am quoting these people who live a lifestyle because of mental illness from abuse.

That is why I refuse what science claims because I have real testimonials to be my voice in this debate.

its not hard to find real testimonials from people who say they were abducted by UFO's. It seems no matter how many of those testimonials i read or hear about i am still not convinced that Earth is being visited by little grey men in flying saucers

 

[Scarecrow]

Not according to a majority of homosexuals from Connecticut, Indiana, Florida, New Jersey, and couple other states my brother and his enterouge claim.

its amazing your brother knows millions of people that well.

 

[Cameron143]

How to become like the Good Samaritan.? Yes that’s a great question.
I mean HOW do you change someone’s lifestyle or mindset? This is pretty big if you think about it.
‘I think the approach matters. For one you should never say “I am right, and you are wrong”, because that’s how you push the other away.
Since you mentioned the Samaritan then this should be your guiding light because the Samaritan had nothing but good-will for the person laying on the road.
So if you have good-will you need to respect someone freedom, free thought while showing genuine care for them and not judgment or arrogance.

And if they don’t respond to that then it’s out of your hands but you did your job anyway.

I agree wholeheartedly. And you would be doing me a kind service if you would share with me my failure to do so.

 

[Scarecrow]

Not at all. Allowing slavery was a concession made so a nation could be formed. It was an ill-conceived idea and horribly sinful, and eventually led to a civil war.

and most of the delegates owned slaves.

My contention is that it was Christians who remedied the situation and who continued and still continue to better the conditions of all. It is non Christians who promoted slavery and all the ills afterward and who still do so today.

Really? all those southern baptists weren't actually Christian? That is amazing.

The Christians failed initially but have been the source of correction. You are fighting against the very people who have helped you and fighting alongside those who have injured you.

I've been injured?

And you don't seem to possess the wisdom to know the difference.
As much as I can see your pain and subsequent outrage, I'm saddened by the fact that it is so misdirected and, thus, will not be assauged or satisfied on your current path.

I'm sure you don't have the first clue about me but if it makes you feel good to think these things then please go on.

 

[Dude653]

So then, show us the receipts for this claim.

I didn't make a claim. I'm rejecting a claim that hasn't been proven if I claim I can turn invisible, it's up to me to prove that I can, not for you to prove that I can't.

 

[Cameron143]

and most of the delegates owned slaves.

Really? all those southern baptists weren't actually Christian? That is amazing.

I've been injured?


I'm sure you don't have the first clue about me but if it makes you feel good to think these things then please go on.

Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot. Please, tell me about yourself.

 

[ZNP]

I didn't make a claim. I'm rejecting a claim that hasn't been proven if I claim I can turn invisible, it's up to me to prove that I can, not for you to prove that I can't.

So your reference to your brother realizing he was gay at 5 was basically just a distraction?

 

[Dude653]

Patrick Henry "give me liberty or give me death"
Owned 67 slaves

 

[Gideon300]

the bill protects legally married same sex married couples and legally married interracial married couples from discrimination. What religious freedom is being attacked exactly?


what persecution have you personally experienced?


you mean the baker who chose to discriminate against a minority?

Your "discrimination against a minority" is the Christian being forced to act against his conscience. There are plenty of bakers who would happily bake a cake for Putin if he paid up.

 

[Scarecrow]

A lot of claims but no sources.[/quote]

woudl you even look at the sources?

Lets find out

the "humiliation of attending a school named for an African American." comes from Michael Haverluck writing at OneNewsNow, June 20, 2018 OneNewsNow was the AFA's news blog

the views on Pocahontas is from Bryan Fisher the executive director of the AFA written on their websight on February 15 2011 "“It’s arresting to think of how different the history of the American settlement and expansion could have been if the other indigenous peoples had followed Pocahontas’ example. She not only recognized the superiority of the God whom the colonists worshipped over the gods of her native people, she recognized the superiority (not the perfection) of their culture and adopted its patterns and language as her own. In other words, she both converted and assimilated. ... Had the other indigenous people followed her example, their assimilation into what became America could have been seamless and bloodless."

(it ignores the fact she was imprisoned and denied food and water until she converted but ... who cares about that?)


only Christians should be allowed to immigrate to America was also from Bryan Fisher April 6 2011 in the AFA newsletter


"they rut like rabbits" also from the AFA newsletter September 6 2011 and agian by Bryan Fisher

“Muslim Americans do not have First Amendment rights,” was stated on Fox News May 8 2015 by Sandy Rios, Director of governmental affairs for the American Family Association


I assume you will ignore all this

As for the Iraqi Christians they felt safer in the US.

Asylum is for emergencies only,” Ginger Jacobs, a San Diego attorney, told the Union-Tribune. “There are many, many people fleeing Iraq for bona fide emergency reasons. But if somebody is able to live as a citizen in a country like Germany or the United Kingdom or Australia, then they don’t necessarily deserve an emergency remedy such as asylum.”

They were legitimate asylum seekers and was looking for asylum in America not Germany or the UN. But I guess we can have open borders until it comes to Christians.

While Islamic refugees just entered without no harassment.

they weren't seeking asylum they already had that and they lied to gain entrance to the country.

 

[Scarecrow]

Our country has more deaths than births. This is important because we need bodies sustain the economy and the military. There is by average ages 18 to 60 who we rely on to keep these things going. If more people are dying then this creates shortages. Add abortion, inflation, a Fentanyl crisis, and climate hysteria to also add to lives being lost or not born. So our government chooses immigration without assimilation to solve this. No assimilation means we are destroying ourselves from the inside by lack of births and losing the American identity.

and SSM has zero effect on this.

Medicaid, Medicare, private insurance all goes up when the population adopts unhealthy behaviors. Same as why car insurance goes up.

so shouldn't you be against obese people getting married?

Absent fathers or mothers (biological) statistically create lots of issues for children.

so having two dads must be a great thing