Senate passes same-sex marriage bill with bipartisan support

[The_Watchers_2017]

Pedophiles and homosexual men who chase little boys should all be labeled as sodomists.

They're both going after the same thing outside of the age issue.

Pedophiles should be another term for homosexuality when the Pedophile chooses boys as their victims.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Also I don't believe we have any control over to whom we are attracted because attraction is a result of brain chemistry, which is all involuntary
If you tell me to perform action X or you're going to punch me in the face, no matter how much I try, I can't make myself want to be punched in the face. Same reason you can't control what you find attractive and what you don't
I know we've had this discussion before but attractiveness is subjective so find a person that you think is completely repulsive and make yourself be attracted to that person. You can't do it

Doesn't matter. We may not control what comes into the brain but God says do not lust, do not carry unrighteous anger, or do not commit sexual immorality which contains homosexuality.

You may not control what comes into the mind but God says you have a choice with how you act on it.

 

[Dude653]

You are well versed in this flimsy excuse you continue to recite. Hope it makes you feel better for being what you are. But ultimately you are calling God a liar.

Do you really believe God made homosexuality or Sin does?

Don't cut yourself on all that edge over there

 

[Dude653]

Murder and sexual immorality are both in the spectrum of moral issues are they not? So in legislating morality they are both moral issues.

As I already stated, lgbt marriage is not a victimless crime when the fatherless or motherless statistics affect me, when higher health risks affect my taxes and insurance, when this ideology has proven to have no boundaries.

I always wonder why some support this but they do not support adult to child marriages, human to animal, human to object, etc. (BTW these 3 things are actually legally occurring in the US already).

Why do you say these are wrong and not homosexual marriages?

Well I already covered this but that's where we disagree because a consensual relationship between two adults has nothing to do with morality
An action is moral if it promotes general well-being or reduces unnecessary suffering
An action is immoral if it causes unnecessary suffering or reduces general well-being

 

[Scarecrow]

Is this an admission that godly values are codified by godly men led by a sovereign and loving Creator who see dignity in all life created a governing system that allows all to participate and bring change to the betterment of all?

Slavery, racism, the subjugation of women and children...These are godly values?

 

[kaylagrl]

Also I don't believe we have any control over to whom we are attracted because attraction is a result of brain chemistry, which is all involuntary
If you tell me to perform action X or you're going to punch me in the face, no matter how much I try, I can't make myself want to be punched in the face. Same reason you can't control what you find attractive and what you don't
I know we've had this discussion before but attractiveness is subjective so find a person that you think is completely repulsive and make yourself be attracted to that person. You can't do it

Yes, but you can believe you are attracted to someone. Many people have had relationships they swore they were in love with that person, a few months later they are broken up. There are people who step out of their marriages, they believe they are attracted to that other person, yet some time later they come back begging for forgiveness saying they were never in love with that other person. You can be attracted to as many people and follow through with that. Many gay relationships are open and they have sex with various partners, your mind can trick you into believe a lot of things. None of this is new, from Bible times to now, and it's still wrong according to the Bible. And I don't see why God would be so cruel as to "make" people gay then turn around and call it an abomination and marriage between a man and a women. That would make God not god, but a monster. I don't believe that. I don't think you do either.

 

[kaylagrl]

Well I already covered this but that's where we disagree because a consensual relationship between two adults has nothing to do with morality
An action is moral if it promotes general well-being or reduces unnecessary suffering
An action is immoral if it causes unnecessary suffering or reduces general well-being

Morality is what God says it is. That's where it comes from in the first place. Any sex... ANY sex outside marriage is sin and immoral.

 

[Dude653]

Yes, but you can believe you are attracted to someone. Many people have had relationships they swore they were in love with that person, a few months later they are broken up. There are people who step out of their marriages, they believe they are attracted to that other person, yet some time later they come back begging for forgiveness saying they were never in love with that other person. You can be attracted to as many people and follow through with that. Many gay relationships are open and they have sex with various partners, your mind can trick you into believe a lot of things. None of this is new, from Bible times to now, and it's still wrong according to the Bible. And I don't see why God would be so cruel as to "make" people gay then turn around and call it an abomination and marriage between a man and a women. That would make God not god, but a monster. I don't believe that. I don't think you do either.

We can argue the morality of it until doomsday but my argument hasn't changed that laws are based on harm prevention like if you steal for me or damage my property then I can prosecute you in court. If you kill me, you will go to prison
If you violate someone's body without their consent, you go to jail
That's why I don't see any reason tonight allow a same-sex couple to get married because you can't point to a victim
I'm not saying all Christians are like this because most of my Christian friends are super chill but there's definitely a demographic that's basically like this
"My religion says it's wrong to do this"
Me.. okay then don't do that
'My religion also says you can't do this"
Me.. I don't care what your religion says
"STOP PERSECUTING ME"

 

[arthurfleminger]

Passage of the marriage act is a slap in the face to God and Jesus' definition of marriage.

Don't look to the government for your moral guidance. Keep in mind that the government, and it's laws, supported slavery/segregation, no voting rights for women, abortion for many years.

The goverrnment grouses/grubs for their power/votes and generally comes up with the 'wind blowingflavor of the day', not to be mistaken for being morally right, only politically correct.

Are governments a good place to find one's moral tenets and righteousness? Hmmmmmmm???? How about the governments of Nazi Germany, Communist Russia and China, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela.....etc/etc.....adnauseum. People wholeheartedly gave their support to these governments and the morality they espoused.

The lesson is, governments aren't concerned about morality, they are only concerned with their grip on power.

 

[Dude653]

Are governments a good place to find one's moral tenets and righteousness? Hmmmmmmm???? How about the governments of Nazi Germany, Communist Russia and China, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela.....etc/etc.....adnauseum. People wholeheartedly gave their support to these governments and the morality they espoused.

The lesson is, governments aren't concerned about morality, they are only concerned with their grip on power.

Speaking of Nazi germany, Hitler literally said he was doing God's work by trying to murder an entire race of people. The Nazi soldiers even wore belt buckles that said God is with us
Before anyone straw man's me I'm not correlating Christianity with Nazis but my point is just because someone says he's doing God's work doesn't mean he's not evil

 

[Cameron143]

Slavery, racism, the subjugation of women and children...These are godly values?

No. But they are not the blame of Christians but non Christians. It was Christians who corrected these ills.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Well I already covered this but that's where we disagree because a consensual relationship between two adults has nothing to do with morality
An action is moral if it promotes general well-being or reduces unnecessary suffering
An action is immoral if it causes unnecessary suffering or reduces general well-being

Where do you get your standard of morality? Are these definitions of moral and immoral behavior yours or someone else? What makes them right compared to Hitler's morality?

 

[kaylagrl]

"My religion says it's wrong to do this"
Me.. okay then don't do that
'My religion also says you can't do this"
Me.. I don't care what your religion says
"

But we know it's not that cut and dried, as with the baker and the cake.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Are governments a good place to find one's moral tenets and righteousness? Hmmmmmmm???? How about the governments of Nazi Germany, Communist Russia and China, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela.....etc/etc.....adnauseum. People wholeheartedly gave their support to these governments and the morality they espoused.

The lesson is, governments aren't concerned about morality, they are only concerned with their grip on power.

Nature of the human heart as to why a Republic should scratch and claw to hang on to the vote of the people. If we lose any support of true morality then the decline will be swift and devastating.

 

[Dude653]

Where do you get your standard of morality? Are these definitions of moral and immoral behavior yours or someone else? What makes them right compared to Hitler's morality?

Empathy and well-being.
And if you're going to compare a consensual relationship between two adults to Hitler murdering 6 million people then I don't see any need to even continue this conversation because you're not connected to reality

 

[Roughsoul1991]

But we know it's not that cut and dried, as with the baker and the cake.

Yeap, it is the abuse of power or abuse on poorly worded laws that have led to persecution in the past. People have to stop being so gullible and read the words written in blood on the wall. The agenda has been publicly proclaimed. Biden last week said in this Lame Duck session he wants to go after Assault weapons (AR style rifles). This is one of the best weapons we have as civilians if faced against tyrannical evil. But they know this and our enemies overseas knows that we at least on the home front have the biggest well armed population in the world. They know a home invasion would be detrimental.

 

[Dude653]

I've already made my opinion on that I don't have any problem with two same-sex people getting married but ask for the baker incident, they deliberately sold out a Christian Baker just so they could sue him

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Empathy and well-being.
And if you're going to compare a consensual relationship between two adults to Hitler murdering 6 million people then I don't see any need to even continue this conversation because you're not connected to reality

I'm asking why empathy or well being? Who decides that? Hitler thought their well being was to create a Utopian society. What standard outside of your opinion defines morality?

 

[Dude653]

I'm asking why empathy or well being? Who decides that? Hitler thought their well being was to create a Utopian society. What standard outside of your opinion defines morality?

Everything is a product of mirror neurons
When you see someone experiencing an emotion like jewelry or laughter or sadness, the same neurons fire in your brain so your brain wants to feel the emotion too
I know what it's like to be hurt so I don't want to hurt someone else. This isn't hard
Do you want to live in a world where a crazy dictator can just murder people and get away with it? Neither do I..taahaaah... Moral conundrum solved

 

[Scarecrow]

By your beliefs as a Christian on heterosexual marriage you could be labeled under a hate group which the government has already under Biden given mandatory training for identifying hate groups which in the training it listed radical pro life or anti- LGBT groups. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/us-army-defines-christian-ministry-as-domestic-hate-group

Wow, Fox News lying....what are the odds of that happening? (that was sarcasm BTW)

The American Family Association is considered a hate group for many reasons including their stance that no white child should be subjected to the "humiliation of attending a school named for an African American."
That Native American's Should have followed the lead of Pocahontas' lead in accepting the superiority of the newly arrives white settlers
That only Christians should be allowed to emigrate to America.
That the main problem of black people is "they rut like rabbits"
That “Muslim Americans do not have First Amendment rights,”
and many other sad claims.

(yes, quite a few churches abuse government protections and tax exemption. )

This doesn't imply all religious organizations should be persicuted for their heterosexual marriage beliefs.

i keep asking you about this persecution but you never actually say who is being persecuted and how.

Your apathy will lead to this.

facts are facts

( so again, just how are you personally being persecuted?)

My taxes,

How?

my kids, and my grandkids will be affected by this nonsense.

How?

Probably more of us average citizens as well in this generation.

So persecution in China isn't worthy to speak on if it isn't happening to you?

you keep talking abotu all this horrible persecution here....you still havn't ointed to any though.

It made national attention which influences others decisions and the court ruling would have affected more people than just the state.

goos because discrimination is a terrible and ugly thing that has no place in our country.

What constitutes harassment is most religious exemptions were denied without even looking at each exemption. Which is why under investigation the branches have lost the battle but unfortunately many Christians were forced out the military. Also, Covid is not a threat to our young soldiers like anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio.

there has been over 250,000 cases of Covid in un-vaccinated military personal with a death rater of about twice that for the general population

(Citation?)

One of many sources.

https://pilgrimsbeacon.com/why-is-obama-deporting-christian-refugees-seeking-asylum/

This handful of people were deported for committing immigration fraud, they claimed they were fleeing persecution in Iraq but were actually living in Germany https://www.christianitytoday.com/n...ng-iraq-chaldean-christians-asylum-fraud.html

Are you saying this is the same as being forced to pay for contraceptive, abortions, etc?

you are supporting the idea that an employer should not have to cover medical treatments they don't agree with so should an employer who is a Jehovah's Witness be allowed to refuse coverage of blood transfusions for their employees?


( Here is the court's decision, you should read it)

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