Free from the law??

[studentoftheword]

The Law was given as a teaching tool for the Jews only -to let them see they could not save themselves from their SINS --they needed a Saviour ----The Law was the Jew's schoolmaster ----it showed and enhanced their sin ------

the Gentiles were never included in the Law ------the Gentiles were Grafted into the new Covenant of Grace -because the Jews refused to accept Jesus as their Messiah ----so by bringing the Gentiles in God Hoped the Jews would come to their senses but they did not ------The Gentiles were never Commanded to adhear to the 613 Laws ------

The Jewish Communities who to this day do not believe Jesus was their Messiah are still trying to keep all the 613 laws and are Cursed and away from God ----right now they are doomed to Hell -----God has a plan to honor His pledge to His chosen Nation ---by and through the 7 year tribulation -----where He Gathers The 12 tribes Of Israel and marks them to come through the Tribulation period -----Revelation 7 tells you this -------

Grace make you free from God imputing sin on you ---the believers Sins are Forgiven -your Past --Present and future SINS God sees no more ---------so the law which was given to increase sin and enhance sin is no longer needed ----Jesus Blood took care of that

If God doesn't see or charge SIN to us anymore ---why the heck do we want to keep laws that was given to show and increase and enhance our SINS ----when God has freed us from seeing and charging SIN to us ------

Makes no sense

 

[TMS]

Jesus makes it very hard to keep any laws because he says this about Adultery -----so if you look with lust without doing the act your guilty -----so He doesn't make it easy to obey the laws ------

Adultery
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart

So even if you don't lie but think about telling a lie ---your quilty

Thats because the law is spiritual. It's about the heart. People can practice it outwardly and be full of sin in the heart. Thats why God is judge. Thank God for the promise of renewing us, and transforming us into His image.

 

[TMS]

The Gentiles were never Commanded to adhear to the 613 Laws ------

I agree that many of the laws were a schoolmaster to help Israel understand salvation, and to help us understand salvation.
By looking back at the services and laws we can see the principles of the gosple.

We have Jesus so many of the laws no longer apply.

But i believe the moral laws of love, the royal laws of liberty are still defining sin today.
Jesus, Paul, James and More talk about keeping the 10 commandments.
There is no difference between Jew and gentile, we are either part of Gods family or not.

 

[gb9]

I agree that many of the laws were a schoolmaster to help Israel understand salvation, and to help us understand salvation.
By looking back at the services and laws we can see the principles of the gosple.

We have Jesus so many of the laws no longer apply.

But i believe the moral laws of love, the royal laws of liberty are still defining sin today.
Jesus, Paul, James and More talk about keeping the 10 commandments.
There is no difference between Jew and gentile, we are either part of Gods family or not.

part of the family by faith in Christ, not by keeping the Law.

the Law was given to Israel only. you can not agree with that all you want, but gentiles were never commanded to keep the Law or the Sabbath.

 

[TMS]

Grace make you free from God imputing sin on you ---the believers Sins are Forgiven -your Past --Present and future SINS God sees no more ---------so the law which was given to increase sin and enhance sin is no longer needed ----Jesus Blood took care of that

Jesus died for all the world and paid for every sin, past, present and future. So will all be saved?
Is the blood given to everyone?
When is the forgiveness given?
When we ask by faith.. and repent.

Repent of what? Sin, but if all laws that define sin are gone and do not apply today we have no reason to repent.
Before i can ask for forgiveness and repent, i need to be aware of my sin.

We are freed by grace but not because the law is removed but because Jesus wants to pay the debt for transgressing the law.

 

[TMS]

part of the family by faith in Christ, not by keeping the Law.

Yes by faith. But faith without works is dead.

I obey not to be part of the family or to be saved, but because i love to act like Jesus. I love my saviour and want to obey Him.

 

[TMS]

gentiles were never commanded to keep the Law or the Sabbath.

They were never commanded to not keep it. The law is holy and spiritual, the law will not pass away and we are told to establish it.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

[gb9]

They were never commanded to not keep it. The law is holy and spiritual, the law will not pass away and we are told to establish it.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

nine of the Ten were repeated for gentiles. Sabbath keeping was not.

that is what it is all about for you. Sabbath keeping.

and, Christians are to manifest the Fruits of the Spirit. against these their is no Law. in them is no Sabbath keeping.

 

[Dino246]

I agree that many of the laws were a schoolmaster to help Israel understand salvation, and to help us understand salvation.

We have Jesus so many of the laws no longer apply.

With respect, you're twisting Scripture.

Paul stated clearly to the Galatians, "So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian." He didn't say, "many of the laws".

He said, and meant, the collective term encompassing ALL the individual commandments, statutes, and requirements. ONE law, not many laws.

Similarly, he said earlier in that letter, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” There is no justification for treating the Law like a smorgasbord. It was all applicable to the Israelites, and is all set aside in Christ.

 

[IloveYeshua]

Friend, you have called me deceitful, a liar and also a false witness in your post, you made yourself my judge. know that I forgive you. I disagree with almost everything you wrote. for a general answer, you can find one in the previous post no 15 and 16, they are proofs that the 10 commandments are still valid. I am willing to discuss further but we need to be respectful and not judge.

Peace.

 

[TMS]

There is no justification for treating the Law like a smorgasbord. It was all applicable to the Israelites, and is all set aside in Christ.

All set aside in Christ?

Why did Jesus die?
What about
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. 14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. 15 Thou shalt not steal. 16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Are all set aside today?
What about the verses in Rev referring to the future.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[Dino246]

Friend, you have called me deceitful, a liar and also a false witness in your post, you made yourself my judge. know that I forgive you. I disagree with almost everything you wrote. for a general answer, you can find one in the previous post no 15 and 16, they are proofs that the 10 commandments are still valid. I am willing to discuss further but we need to be respectful and not judge.

Peace.

Nobody except you knows who you're addressing because you haven't quoted anyone.

 

[Dino246]

All set aside in Christ?

Hebrews 8:7 and 13.

 

[Magenta]

Jesus, Paul, James and More talk about keeping the 10 commandments.

Where is Sabbath-keeping commanded in the NT?

 

[TMS]

nine of the Ten were repeated for gentiles. Sabbath keeping was not.

that is what it is all about for you. Sabbath keeping.

and, Christians are to manifest the Fruits of the Spirit. against these their is no Law. in them is no Sabbath keeping.

Its not all about the Sabbath. I agree it's about the fruit. Bearing the fruit is what gives God glory, and reveals the Spirit.

All 10 were given by God and are about love for God and Love for each other.

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[TMS]

Hebrews 8:7 and 13.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: ...... 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The old covenant has passed away. But the 10 commandments is not the old covenant. They are faultless and the old covenant was faulty.

 

[TMS]

Where is Sabbath-keeping commanded in the NT?

When we are told to keep the law.

There is places that we are told the law has been removed. But there are places we are told to obey.
The laws of ordances and shadow laws are removed in Christ. The moral laws are still to be obeyed.

James 2 talks about keeping all the 10 commandments.
Rom 6, 7, 8 talks about keeping the law by faith.
1 John talks about keeping the commandments.
Rev 12, 14, 22 talk about those that keep the commandments.

 

[Magenta]

When we are told to keep the law.

There is places that we are told the law has been removed. But there are places we are told to obey.
The laws of ordances and shadow laws are removed in Christ. The moral laws are still to be obeyed.

James 2 talks about keeping all the 10 commandments.
Rom 6, 7, 8 talks about keeping the law by faith.
1 John talks about keeping the commandments.
Rev 12, 14, 22 talk about those that keep the commandments.

Cannot be keeping the law as you promote, because failing on one point means failing on all. According to James 2:10.

Where did Jesus, Paul, James and "More" talk about keeping the Sabbath?

But there are places we are told to obey.

A new commandment.

Romans 13:10 ~ Love fulfills law

 

[Cameron143]

Cannot be keeping the law as you promote, because failing on one point means failing on all. According to James 2:10.

Where did Jesus, Paul, James and "More" talk about keeping the Sabbath?


A new commandment.

Romans 13:10 ~ Love fulfills law

The early church met on the first day of the week. Acts 20:9 I believe and others. This also coincides with the day Jesus sat down at the right hand of the Father, resting from His work of the new creation.
Also I have heard but not verified that the words week and weeks in Matthew 28:1 are the same words translated sabbath and sabbaths elsewhere and could be rendered at...in the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn on the first of the sabbaths...

 

[TMS]

Cannot be keeping the law as you promote, because failing on one point means failing on all. According to James 2:10.

We all fail, we are all in need of the grace and mercy of Jesus.
Do we throw out the law because it is too hard. We turn to Jesus the source of true love, true faith and true obedience. Through faith we can be filled with the Holy Spirit.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom 8:1-7
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The righteousness of the law can be fulfilled in us if the flesh is dead and Christs Spirit is ruling in us.