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YES, Brother = i have been greatly encouraged and blessed by your love and many a word spoken by you here on CC.
YES, Brother = i AGREE with you on this: "being like angels is definitely not equal to the angels"
In the Resurrection we are equal to the angels in this aspect = Immortal Beings
When the LORD Returns and we are Resurrected/Transformed we become even Greater then the angels for we will be made into His Glorious Image.
Let us look at Luke 20 again.
Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore,
for they are equal/like the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
The LORD Jesus distinguishes between TWO Distinct ages/realms = flesh and spirit = both of which are present and future.
For those of us on this earth, in the flesh, we can procreate in male to female embrace.
God uses the phrase, and biologically accurate, "the sons of God came in to the daughters of men".
Dear Brother, God tells only Truth and He does not always give the details of His Truth.
Example: Luke 1:31
Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
Did the Holy Spirit grow a willie???
Now the fallen angels are certainly not the Holy Spirit and therefore we must look to God's word for the answer which again is found in Genesis, Job, Luke, 2 Peter, Jude
The KEY is the angels are created and designated as male gender = sons
The angels, in their spiritual domain, do not reproduce as their are no female gender angels = "daughters" of God in the spirit
God has told us this = When the, designated by God, male gender angels came to earth they left their spiritual realm and took on physical form. By which "the sons of God came in to the daughters of men".
"But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah
2 Peter 2:4-6
SEE what God has said here in Genesis, 2 Peter, and Jude =
Fallen angels came to earth and sinned by "the Sons of God came into the daughters of men"
Noahs Flood and sexual perversion just as Sodom and Gommorah = "going after strange flesh"
PLEASE take your time on this and pray but ABOVE ALL THINGS = do not add or take away from God's words.
Thank you for your precious Love of Christ in your heart for the Brethren
YES, Brother = i AGREE with you on this: "being like angels is definitely not equal to the angels"
In the Resurrection we are equal to the angels in this aspect = Immortal Beings
When the LORD Returns and we are Resurrected/Transformed we become even Greater then the angels for we will be made into His Glorious Image.
Let us look at Luke 20 again.
Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore,
for they are equal/like the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
The LORD Jesus distinguishes between TWO Distinct ages/realms = flesh and spirit = both of which are present and future.
For those of us on this earth, in the flesh, we can procreate in male to female embrace.
God uses the phrase, and biologically accurate, "the sons of God came in to the daughters of men".
Dear Brother, God tells only Truth and He does not always give the details of His Truth.
Example: Luke 1:31
Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
Did the Holy Spirit grow a willie???
Now the fallen angels are certainly not the Holy Spirit and therefore we must look to God's word for the answer which again is found in Genesis, Job, Luke, 2 Peter, Jude
The KEY is the angels are created and designated as male gender = sons
The angels, in their spiritual domain, do not reproduce as their are no female gender angels = "daughters" of God in the spirit
God has told us this = When the, designated by God, male gender angels came to earth they left their spiritual realm and took on physical form. By which "the sons of God came in to the daughters of men".
"But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah
2 Peter 2:4-6
SEE what God has said here in Genesis, 2 Peter, and Jude =
Fallen angels came to earth and sinned by "the Sons of God came into the daughters of men"
Noahs Flood and sexual perversion just as Sodom and Gommorah = "going after strange flesh"
PLEASE take your time on this and pray but ABOVE ALL THINGS = do not add or take away from God's words.
Thank you for your precious Love of Christ in your heart for the Brethren
God said it 3 times = Genesis, Jude , 2 Peter
Genesis = "sons of God came into the daughters of men"
Jude = But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
2 Peter 2:For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes,
The only we have choice is to believe or not = "It is written".
The only choice we have is to = "Do not add to His words or take away"
Peace Brother - i have to go now
Genesis = "sons of God came into the daughters of men"
Jude = But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
2 Peter 2:For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes,
The only we have choice is to believe or not = "It is written".
The only choice we have is to = "Do not add to His words or take away"
Peace Brother - i have to go now
HI Evmur...
Your post is self-contradictory. You criticize another for not sticking to God's word:
Then later you say this:
As you can see for yourself, the text says nothing about the angels' physical capability for sex. You are "adding a great deal of speculation".
Um, yeah. With respect, please reconsider your own position.
Your post is self-contradictory. You criticize another for not sticking to God's word:
Then later you say this:
As you can see for yourself, the text says nothing about the angels' physical capability for sex. You are "adding a great deal of speculation".
Um, yeah. With respect, please reconsider your own position.
It does not say the angels it says the sons of God ... it's YOU [and others] who have identified these as angels. How you make fallen angels the sons of God I don't know.
The Jews were destroyed for unbelief
The angels are kept in prison for not keeping their proper domain
Sodom and Gomorrah were punished for inordinant sex
Three examples of God's dealing with rebellion but unconnected otherwise.
The Jews were destroyed for unbelief
The angels are kept in prison for not keeping their proper domain
Sodom and Gomorrah were punished for inordinant sex
Three examples of God's dealing with rebellion but unconnected otherwise.
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The Holy Spirit says the "sons of Gods" of Genesis 6 are angels = the Holy Spirit always speaks Truth.
Strong's Lexicon
the sons
בְנֵי־ (ḇə·nê-)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's Hebrew 1121: 1) son, grandson, child, member of a group 1a) son, male child 1b) grandson 1c) children (pl. - male and female) 1d) youth, young men (pl.) 1e) young (of animals) 1f) sons (as characterisation, i.e. sons of injustice [for un- righteous men] or sons of God [for angels] 1g) people (of a nation) (pl.) 1h) of lifeless things, i.e. sparks, stars, arrows (fig.) 1i) a member of a guild, order, class
of God
הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ (hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Article | Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God
saw that
וַיִּרְא֤וּ (way·yir·’ū)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 7200: 1) to see, look at, inspect, perceive, consider 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to see 1a2) to see, perceive 1a3) to see, have vision 1a4) to look at, see, regard, look after, see after, learn about, observe, watch, look upon, look out, find out 1a5) to see, observe, consider, look at, give attention to, discern, distinguish 1a6) to look at, gaze at 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to appear, present oneself 1b2) to be seen 1b3) to be visible 1c) (Pual) to be seen 1d) (Hiphil) 1d1) to cause to see, show 1d2) to cause to look intently at, behold, cause to gaze at 1e) (Hophal) 1e1) to be caused to see, be shown 1e2) to be exhibited to 1f) (Hithpael) to look at each other, face
the daughters
בְּנ֣וֹת (bə·nō·wṯ)
Noun - feminine plural construct
Strong's Hebrew 1323: n f 1) daughter 1a) daughter, girl, adopted daughter, daughter-in-law, sister, granddaughters, female child, cousin 1a1) as polite address n pr f 1a2) as designation of women of a particular place 2) young women, women 1a3) as personification 1a4) daughter-villages 1a5) description of character
of men
הָֽאָדָ֔ם (hā·’ā·ḏām)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 120: 1) man, mankind 1a) man, human being 1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT) 1c) Adam, first man 1d) city in Jordan valley
You were taught a lie by man = reject the lie and believe the Truth = it will set your mind free = always does.
Strong's Lexicon
the sons
בְנֵי־ (ḇə·nê-)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's Hebrew 1121: 1) son, grandson, child, member of a group 1a) son, male child 1b) grandson 1c) children (pl. - male and female) 1d) youth, young men (pl.) 1e) young (of animals) 1f) sons (as characterisation, i.e. sons of injustice [for un- righteous men] or sons of God [for angels] 1g) people (of a nation) (pl.) 1h) of lifeless things, i.e. sparks, stars, arrows (fig.) 1i) a member of a guild, order, class
of God
הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ (hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Article | Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God
saw that
וַיִּרְא֤וּ (way·yir·’ū)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 7200: 1) to see, look at, inspect, perceive, consider 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to see 1a2) to see, perceive 1a3) to see, have vision 1a4) to look at, see, regard, look after, see after, learn about, observe, watch, look upon, look out, find out 1a5) to see, observe, consider, look at, give attention to, discern, distinguish 1a6) to look at, gaze at 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to appear, present oneself 1b2) to be seen 1b3) to be visible 1c) (Pual) to be seen 1d) (Hiphil) 1d1) to cause to see, show 1d2) to cause to look intently at, behold, cause to gaze at 1e) (Hophal) 1e1) to be caused to see, be shown 1e2) to be exhibited to 1f) (Hithpael) to look at each other, face
the daughters
בְּנ֣וֹת (bə·nō·wṯ)
Noun - feminine plural construct
Strong's Hebrew 1323: n f 1) daughter 1a) daughter, girl, adopted daughter, daughter-in-law, sister, granddaughters, female child, cousin 1a1) as polite address n pr f 1a2) as designation of women of a particular place 2) young women, women 1a3) as personification 1a4) daughter-villages 1a5) description of character
of men
הָֽאָדָ֔ם (hā·’ā·ḏām)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 120: 1) man, mankind 1a) man, human being 1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT) 1c) Adam, first man 1d) city in Jordan valley
You were taught a lie by man = reject the lie and believe the Truth = it will set your mind free = always does.
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Strong's is not Scripture, but a dictionary of the KJV. It shows how words were rendered in the KJV, not what they mean. Scripture DOES NOT say that the "sons of God" (singular!) are angels. That is an interpretation built from many passages, some of which are poorly translated, or assumed by you to mean something they don't actually say.
It's unfortunate that you make comments like this. They don't speak well of your character at all, and they don't look good on you when you violate them... which you do often as you did above.
I don't know why you find it so difficult to take correction. When you are clearly wrong, but repeatedly and arrogantly declare that those who disagree with you are deceived, you're being a jackdonkey. Humble yourself and you might become a tolerable human being.
By the way, using the 'equal' sign (=) in between statements makes it look like you are saying the statements are equal in meaning. It's an incorrect and misleading use of the mark. I would suggest using standard grammatical forms rather than inventing your own.
It's unfortunate that you make comments like this. They don't speak well of your character at all, and they don't look good on you when you violate them... which you do often as you did above.
I don't know why you find it so difficult to take correction. When you are clearly wrong, but repeatedly and arrogantly declare that those who disagree with you are deceived, you're being a jackdonkey. Humble yourself and you might become a tolerable human being.
By the way, using the 'equal' sign (=) in between statements makes it look like you are saying the statements are equal in meaning. It's an incorrect and misleading use of the mark. I would suggest using standard grammatical forms rather than inventing your own.
Angels can be spirit beings created to serve the House of God or men of flesh who carry a message from God.
Sons of God are similar: we might refer to spirit angels as sons of God because they originated from God. Or we might refer to men of flesh as sons of God because they are of a particular order of priesthood, like Melchizedek, who are commissioned to represent God in their generation.
When we talk about sons of God having sex, however, then our choice is clear: since angels have no physical bodies apart from God’s provision, then the sons of God who had sex with women were the priests. Like Isaac, they were to find suitable wives from their family lineage. Instead, they chose any woman they wanted because of the women’s beauty. This was a violation akin to eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil: the women were pleasing to their eyes so they took what they wanted in disobedience. The sons of God failed the test of their generation. Thankfully, one son of God was found to be righteous: Noah.
Sons of God are similar: we might refer to spirit angels as sons of God because they originated from God. Or we might refer to men of flesh as sons of God because they are of a particular order of priesthood, like Melchizedek, who are commissioned to represent God in their generation.
When we talk about sons of God having sex, however, then our choice is clear: since angels have no physical bodies apart from God’s provision, then the sons of God who had sex with women were the priests. Like Isaac, they were to find suitable wives from their family lineage. Instead, they chose any woman they wanted because of the women’s beauty. This was a violation akin to eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil: the women were pleasing to their eyes so they took what they wanted in disobedience. The sons of God failed the test of their generation. Thankfully, one son of God was found to be righteous: Noah.
Fact = Strongs is in fact the scripture in hebrew.
Truth 101 =
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Anyone who says that the "sons of God" in Genesis ch6 are "men" is lying and is not in fellowship with the Truth of Gods word on this subject.
of men
הָֽאָדָ֔ם (hā·’ā·ḏām)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 120: 1) man, mankind 1a) man, human being 1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT) 1c) Adam, first man 1d) city in Jordan valley
Godly character comes from 'fearing God' and believing "every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."
Godly character never changes/adjusts God's words for unbelief, the fear of man and respect of persons.
ALL of us start out as 'dead men' walking until the Spirit brings us to Life.
Then we begin as "new born babes" in Christ.
Satan, thru religion, awaits and embraces each new born babe in Christ.
Only by the the Holy Spirit and mans cooperation can he/she experience Truth in the Scriptures.
FEW there be that escape religious control over the minds of Christians.
There is only One Way of incremental freedoms of Truth = "Thy word is Truth, Sanctify them in Thy word.".
MOST IMPORTANT: "no lie comes from the truth." 1 John 2:21
Truth 101 =
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Anyone who says that the "sons of God" in Genesis ch6 are "men" is lying and is not in fellowship with the Truth of Gods word on this subject.
of men
הָֽאָדָ֔ם (hā·’ā·ḏām)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 120: 1) man, mankind 1a) man, human being 1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT) 1c) Adam, first man 1d) city in Jordan valley
Godly character comes from 'fearing God' and believing "every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."
Godly character never changes/adjusts God's words for unbelief, the fear of man and respect of persons.
ALL of us start out as 'dead men' walking until the Spirit brings us to Life.
Then we begin as "new born babes" in Christ.
Satan, thru religion, awaits and embraces each new born babe in Christ.
Only by the the Holy Spirit and mans cooperation can he/she experience Truth in the Scriptures.
FEW there be that escape religious control over the minds of Christians.
There is only One Way of incremental freedoms of Truth = "Thy word is Truth, Sanctify them in Thy word.".
MOST IMPORTANT: "no lie comes from the truth." 1 John 2:21