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Can you SEE what Hebrews ch1 says?
To which of the angels did God, the FATHER, say You are My Son = singular and Today I have begotten You = singular.
Hebrews ch1 ONLY pertains to the virgin birth of Jesus = God becoming a man = "the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us"
Hebrews = ONLY Begotten Son of the Father
Now let's look at what the LORD Jesus said in Luke ch20 = here is your NT scripture denoting angels are sons of God
Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore,
for they are equal/like the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Here is the OT Scripture denoting "sons of God" are angels = Gen ch6, Job ch1 ch2 and ch38
ch 1 -Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
ch 2 - Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
chapter 38
God gave eight distinct names to signify angels = #1 Sons of God and #2 Angels #3 Chrubim #4 Seraphim #5 Archangel #6 Messenger #7 Ministers #8 Flames of Fire
There may be more names as i did not do a exhaustive search
Example: Jesus is Elohim, the WORD, God, Son of God, Son of Man, Creator, the Holy One, Prince of Peace, Wonderful Counselor, Everlasting Father, the Way, the Truth and the Life, Redeemer, Alpha and Omega, Beginning and the End, and there are more.
To which of the angels did God, the FATHER, say You are My Son = singular and Today I have begotten You = singular.
Hebrews ch1 ONLY pertains to the virgin birth of Jesus = God becoming a man = "the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us"
Hebrews = ONLY Begotten Son of the Father
Now let's look at what the LORD Jesus said in Luke ch20 = here is your NT scripture denoting angels are sons of God
Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore,
for they are equal/like the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Here is the OT Scripture denoting "sons of God" are angels = Gen ch6, Job ch1 ch2 and ch38
ch 1 -Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
ch 2 - Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
chapter 38
God gave eight distinct names to signify angels = #1 Sons of God and #2 Angels #3 Chrubim #4 Seraphim #5 Archangel #6 Messenger #7 Ministers #8 Flames of Fire
There may be more names as i did not do a exhaustive search
Example: Jesus is Elohim, the WORD, God, Son of God, Son of Man, Creator, the Holy One, Prince of Peace, Wonderful Counselor, Everlasting Father, the Way, the Truth and the Life, Redeemer, Alpha and Omega, Beginning and the End, and there are more.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
There came a man who was sent from God. His name was John. He came as a witness to testify about the Light, so that through him everyone might believe. He himself was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world.
He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.
The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Sonc from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
There came a man who was sent from God. His name was John. He came as a witness to testify about the Light, so that through him everyone might believe. He himself was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world.
He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.
The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Sonc from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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First and foremost it is not what i think but what Scripture declares is the Truth.
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
Do you SEE what the Scripture says here? Bold is the main focus
How did Jesus create Himself, since He was God in the Beginning, and HE created all things that are in heaven and earth, visible and invisble?
In my question and in this very Scripture is your answer.
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
Do you SEE what the Scripture says here? Bold is the main focus
How did Jesus create Himself, since He was God in the Beginning, and HE created all things that are in heaven and earth, visible and invisble?
In my question and in this very Scripture is your answer.
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In Revelation 4:11 it states the same in that he created all things... https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-Chapter-4/ in revelation 5 it explains that he was found worthy to open the seals because he was slain https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-Chapter-5/ do you believe he revealed the contents of the seven seals in Matthew 24 before he was slain?
Quadruple redundancy. Jude 6, 1 Pet 3, 2 Pt 2, Gen 6.
G3613 oiketerion
Used 2X in 2Cor 5:2 and Jude 1:6
As stated in Corinthians, we get an upgrade to a new spiritual body. Contrarily, the fallen angels left (G620 apoleipo) their oiketerion.....they somehow by some means downgraded to a body of some kind of flesh that had the capacity of mating with human women.
Overall the evidence for the fallen angels having illicit sexual relations with the daughters of Adam.......is simply overwhelming. Furthermore the outcome is indisputable.
G3613 oiketerion
Used 2X in 2Cor 5:2 and Jude 1:6
As stated in Corinthians, we get an upgrade to a new spiritual body. Contrarily, the fallen angels left (G620 apoleipo) their oiketerion.....they somehow by some means downgraded to a body of some kind of flesh that had the capacity of mating with human women.
Overall the evidence for the fallen angels having illicit sexual relations with the daughters of Adam.......is simply overwhelming. Furthermore the outcome is indisputable.
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No
Chapter 5 tells us exactly why the answer to your question is 'No'.
But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or look inside it.
And I began to weep bitterly, because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or look inside it.
Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Then I saw a Lamb who appeared to have been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which represent the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
And He came and took the scroll from the right hand of the One seated on the throne.
When He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp, and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song:
“Worthy are You to take the scroll and open its seals,
because You were slain,
and by Your blood You purchased for God
those from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
You have made them to be a kingdom
and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign upon the earth.”
Chapter 5 tells us exactly why the answer to your question is 'No'.
But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or look inside it.
And I began to weep bitterly, because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or look inside it.
Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Then I saw a Lamb who appeared to have been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which represent the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
And He came and took the scroll from the right hand of the One seated on the throne.
When He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp, and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song:
“Worthy are You to take the scroll and open its seals,
because You were slain,
and by Your blood You purchased for God
those from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
You have made them to be a kingdom
and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign upon the earth.”
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In the Bible, the position of firstborn has a couple of applications.
The first simply designates biological birth order, e.g. the Passover in Egypt.
The second application pertains to hierarchy, and as such is transferrable to
a younger sibling. For example: from Esau to Jacob (Gen 25:23) from
Reuben to Joseph (Gen 49:3-4, 1Chr 5:1) and from Manasseh to Ephraim
(Gen 48:13-14).
David is God's firstborn among the world's kings. (Ps 89:20-27)
Moses' people are God's firstborn among the world's nations. (Ex 4:22)
The second application basically indicates superiority and is probably best
understood that way for Christ.
• Dan 7:13-14 . . I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of
man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and
they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and
glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve
him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
• Phil 2:9-11 . . God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name
which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should
bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is supreme, to the
glory of God the Father.
In other words: other than his Father, Jesus outranks everything,
everybody, and every creature in the cosmos: all its life, matter, and
energy.
• Matt 28:18 . . All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
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In the Bible, the position of firstborn has a couple of applications.
The first simply designates biological birth order, e.g. the Passover in Egypt.
The second application pertains to hierarchy, and as such is transferrable to
a younger sibling. For example: from Esau to Jacob (Gen 25:23) from
Reuben to Joseph (Gen 49:3-4, 1Chr 5:1) and from Manasseh to Ephraim
(Gen 48:13-14).
David is God's firstborn among the world's kings. (Ps 89:20-27)
Moses' people are God's firstborn among the world's nations. (Ex 4:22)
The second application basically indicates superiority and is probably best
understood that way for Christ.
• Dan 7:13-14 . . I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of
man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and
they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and
glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve
him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
• Phil 2:9-11 . . God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name
which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should
bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is supreme, to the
glory of God the Father.
In other words: other than his Father, Jesus outranks everything,
everybody, and every creature in the cosmos: all its life, matter, and
energy.
• Matt 28:18 . . All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
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i was almost asleep when i responded to you.
There is a difference between revealing what was inside the scroll and opening the scroll itself.
The LORD Jesus Christ knew what was written in the scroll before it was opened.
He did partially reveal to us some of the things in the scroll in Matt ch24 = this is called Prophecy = Jesus was the Prophet foretold/prophesied by Moses and in the Law and the Prophets.
Before HE gave His Revelation, Jesus said to His Disciples = “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." - John 16:12
There is a difference between revealing what was inside the scroll and opening the scroll itself.
The LORD Jesus Christ knew what was written in the scroll before it was opened.
He did partially reveal to us some of the things in the scroll in Matt ch24 = this is called Prophecy = Jesus was the Prophet foretold/prophesied by Moses and in the Law and the Prophets.
Before HE gave His Revelation, Jesus said to His Disciples = “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." - John 16:12
Pardon me brother who I love but that is not following exactly word for word. That is adding a great deal of speculation and there is false doctrine in there..
Being like the angels there is definitely not being equal to the angels. We are sons and daughters of the most high God.
Being like the angels here means in respect to marriage and giving in marriage [having sex] this shows that angels do not have sex, are incapable of having sex, are asexual.
HOW IN HEAVENS NAME can you say fallen angels became sons of God? how? how?
Where did they get their willies from? would God have created them after they fell?
Come on bro ... you are not thinking.
Being like the angels there is definitely not being equal to the angels. We are sons and daughters of the most high God.
Being like the angels here means in respect to marriage and giving in marriage [having sex] this shows that angels do not have sex, are incapable of having sex, are asexual.
HOW IN HEAVENS NAME can you say fallen angels became sons of God? how? how?
Where did they get their willies from? would God have created them after they fell?
Come on bro ... you are not thinking.
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Deu 1:28
Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.
Evidently there is clear distinction is being made between humans and Anakims in the promised land.
Gen 14:5
And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,
Chedorlaomer was killing Nephilim as well. So did Moses, Joshua, David, the Edomites, Ammonites and a number of other persons, nations.
Jos 14:15
And the name of Hebron before was Kirjatharba; which Arba was a great man among the Anakims. And the land had rest from war.
Giants are everywhere around that place and time.
Deu 2:11
Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Same type different names.
Deu 2:19
And when thou comest nigh over against the children of Ammon, distress them not, nor meddle with them: for I will not give thee of the land of the children of Ammon any possession; because I have given it unto the children of Lot for a possession.
Deu 2:20
(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
Deu 2:21
A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:
Deu 2:22
As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead even unto this day:
Deu 2:23
And the Avims which dwelt in Hazerim, even unto Azzah, the Caphtorims, which came forth out of Caphtor, destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead.)
The Lord Himself is destroying the Nephilim BEFORE the land was settled by......the sons of Adam.
How anyone can conclude that these giants did not exist or were the same as humans is preposterous IMO.
Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.
Evidently there is clear distinction is being made between humans and Anakims in the promised land.
Gen 14:5
And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,
Chedorlaomer was killing Nephilim as well. So did Moses, Joshua, David, the Edomites, Ammonites and a number of other persons, nations.
Jos 14:15
And the name of Hebron before was Kirjatharba; which Arba was a great man among the Anakims. And the land had rest from war.
Giants are everywhere around that place and time.
Deu 2:11
Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Same type different names.
Deu 2:19
And when thou comest nigh over against the children of Ammon, distress them not, nor meddle with them: for I will not give thee of the land of the children of Ammon any possession; because I have given it unto the children of Lot for a possession.
Deu 2:20
(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
Deu 2:21
A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:
Deu 2:22
As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead even unto this day:
Deu 2:23
And the Avims which dwelt in Hazerim, even unto Azzah, the Caphtorims, which came forth out of Caphtor, destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead.)
The Lord Himself is destroying the Nephilim BEFORE the land was settled by......the sons of Adam.
How anyone can conclude that these giants did not exist or were the same as humans is preposterous IMO.
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