Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

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Is The Earth Flat Or Round?


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GaryA

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It is impossible to look at the earth from a flat earth model. It's NOT flat. A model is only as good as its data. Garbage in, Garbage out. FE concepts are garbage.
So - are you confirming that you most definitely do not fit in the group of people referred to in this saying?

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” – Aristotle

Anyone who is not capable and willing to consider 'Flat Earth' from within the 'Flat Earth' model - why are you [even] in this thread???
 

GaryA

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Day/night lengths are equal & opposite.

You are substituting CLIMATE for duration of day & night in an attempted sleight-of-hand that fails.
I'm sure you must be aware that there are more contributing factors to CLIMATE.
I am not substituting anything for anything. No sleight-of-hand. Just simple straight-forward common-sense.

We are talking about the comparison of two separate ranges of ~90 days - 180 degrees apart in the cycle - most (days) of which - in the Ball Earth model - "experience" the same identical pattern with regard to sunlight.

Yes - I am talking about CLIMATE - with all of its contributing factors - the most significant of which is - the continual-and-consistent light of the sun.

Already addressed. You are assuming too much and ignoring even more. Your problem is therefore fallacious.
Perhaps you might be so kind as to explain to me what I am assuming and what I am ignoring...?
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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So - are you confirming that you most definitely do not fit in the group of people referred to in this saying?

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” – Aristotle

Anyone who is not capable and willing to consider 'Flat Earth' from within the 'Flat Earth' model - why are you [even] in this thread???
If you were using the same evidence and interpreting it with a different model we could look at the model.

FE advocates don't interpret the same body of evidence differently, they reject the evidence altogether.
Gravity for example - rejected by FE advocates. Ergo an alternative working-model without gravity must be produced.

At least produce a map, don't borrow a spherical map. Spherical measurements have been rejected rigorously by FE advocates
therefore all spherical maps are unavailable to FE modeling.

Get busy
Producing an accurate world map wouldn't be that difficult considering the transport available today.
Flat earthers need to assemble a team and do the work.
We can't look at a flat earth model until there is one.
 
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If you were using the same evidence and interpreting it with a different model we could look at the model.

FE advocates don't interpret the same body of evidence differently, they reject the evidence altogether.
Gravity for example - rejected by FE advocates. Ergo an alternative working-model without gravity must be produced.

At least produce a map, don't borrow a spherical map. Spherical measurements have been rejected rigorously by FE advocates
therefore all spherical maps are unavailable to FE modeling.

Get busy
Producing an accurate world map wouldn't be that difficult considering the transport available today.
Flat earthers need to assemble a team and do the work.
We can't look at a flat earth model until there is one.
Gravity is purely a made up theory that has never been proven and cannot be proven.

Th little girls helium balloon destroys the theory of gravity as does God's Laws that govern the earth = Water being #1
 
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It happens all of the time. An aircraft carrier is moving in the ocean at a speed a couple hundred miles an hour slower than the fighter jet that is going to land on it.
This is true but it does not prove a spinning globe water ball earth.
What it does prove is speed = the jet slows down in proximity to the speed of the carrier and it still needs brakes/cables to bring it to a stop.

God's word and His laws that He put in place destroy the fallacy of a spinning globe water ball earth.

Someone on here said that "We cannot look at a FE model unless there is one"

God said it in His word = this is where you begin your model of Truth.
"So the sun stood still and the moon stopped until the nation took vengeance upon its enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? “So the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.”
Joshua 10:13

God said so in His word = Believe what HE said.
This is what the LORD says:
“Only if the heavens above could be measured
and the foundations of the earth
below searched out
would I reject all of Israel’s descendants
because of all they have done,”


Globe model comes from here = Romans 1:18-20
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation(Genesis) of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.
 

RaceRunner

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It happens all of the time. An aircraft carrier is moving in the ocean at a speed a couple hundred miles an hour slower than the fighter jet that is going to land on it.
It does not happen; an aircraft carrier is not spinning like a ball.
 

RaceRunner

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It is spinning in a single direction like the aircraft carrier. If the earth didn't spin, there would not be daily day / night cycles.
That is not true at all.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/h7tgp7BNadRb/

The Midnight Sun is a phenomenon experienced by observers North of the Arctic circle during Summer Solstice where the Sun can be seen circling over and around 360 degrees without ever setting. Depending how far North the observer is, the Sun can be seen for several days/weeks, rising and falling as usual but never fully setting beyond the horizon. This is because the Sun having reached the Tropic of Cancer is making its tightest, narrowest circle over the Earth, so much so that observers positioned centrally within the Arctic circle are never at any time significantly far enough away from the Sun for it to set beyond their horizon. Not until after Summer Solstice when the Sun makes its way back towards the equator will the Sun set completely and Arctic days begin getting shorter. Meanwhile in the Antarctic during Summer Solstice, the Sun disappears completely for over 2 months leaving everyone below the Antarctic circle in bitter cold darkness from mid-May to mid-July. Again, this is because the Sun narrowing and tightening its path towards the Tropic of Cancer means it has moved significantly far enough away from the Antarctic perimeter so as not to be seen by observers positioned so far South. Not until mid-July when the Sun expands and widens its path back significantly far enough will Antarctic observers again be able to see the Sun above the horizon and the Antarctic days begin getting longer.

In order to fit the heliocentric globe model, this Midnight Sun phenomenon must also occur for observers South of the Antarctic circle during Winter Solstice. Depending how far South the observer is, the Sun should be seen for several days/weeks never fully setting just like it does in the North. In reality, however, there is never 24 hour sunlight anywhere in Antarctica at any time of year. During Winter Solstice when the Sun is circling its widest path over and around the Tropic of Capricorn, observers far enough South will experience extended daylight hours due to proximity with the Sun, but will still observe it to rise and set beyond the horizon completely every single day. In fact, this is why the Arctic and Antarctic climates are so strikingly dissimilar, because of the drastically different amount of sunlight received by each. Based on the heliocentric globe model, both the Arctic and Antarctic receive comparable amounts of sunlight every year, and so should have comparable temperatures, seasonal changes, and ability to sustain plant/animal life, but in reality differ greatly in these ways.

Antarctica is by far the coldest place on Earth with an average annual temperature of approximately -57 degrees Farenheit, and a record low of -135.8! The average annual temperature at the North Pole, however, is a comparatively warm 4 degrees. Throughout the year, temperatures in the Antarctic vary less than half the amount at comparable Arctic latitudes. The Northern Arctic region enjoys moderately warm summers and manageable winters, whereas the Southern Antarctic region never even warms enough to melt the perpetual snow and ice. The island of Kerguelen at 49 degrees Southern latitude has only 18 species of native plants that can survive its hostile climate. Compare this with the island of Iceland at 65 degrees Northern latitude, 16 degrees further North of the equator than Kerguelen is South, yet Iceland is home to 870 species of native plants. On the Isle of Georgia, just 54 degrees Southern latitude, the same latitude as Canada or England in the North, where dense forests of various tall trees abound, the infamous Captain Cook wrote that he was unable to find a single shrub large enough to make a toothpick! In the Arctic there are 4 clearly distinguished seasons, warm summers, and an abundance of plant and animal life, none of which can be said of the Antarctic. The Eskimo live as far North as the 79th parallel, whereas in the South no native man is found higher than the 56th.

Since this one fact would destroy the heliocentric globe model, there is, and has been since the 1950s, an Antarctic Treaty, signed by over 50 countries, banning all independent travel and exploration of the Antarctic. Excluding over-priced chaperoned penguin-tours and government-approved contractors, nobody is allowed to step foot in Antarctica, especially not during Winter Solstice when there should supposedly be constant 24-hour sunlight. Since this particular lie is so important to the heliocentric facade, if you search online, you will find a couple videos purporting to show 24-hour sunlight in Antarctica, but just like the rest of the globe's pathetic video evidence, they are all fake. The most popular video allegedly showing an Antarctic 24-hour time-lapse, actually has mountains accidentally layered over the video's text layer, proving it to be a calculated fraud. Other videos simply show an Arctic midnight Sun...
 

Dino246

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Gravity is purely a made up theory that has never been proven and cannot be proven.

Th little girls helium balloon destroys the theory of gravity as does God's Laws that govern the earth = Water being #1
I have posted corrections to these claims many times, and you stubbornly refuse to accept them. You are incorrect and no amount of repetition will change that.

Of course, you will post a red "X" on this. However, you have not and cannot refute the truth. Repeating your error only reflects poorly on you. Refusing to learn or even investigate is simply shameful.
 

Dino246

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Perhaps you might be so kind as to explain to me what I am assuming and what I am ignoring...?
I did in a previous post. However...

Relative sizes of water mass, ice mass, land mass. Albedo of ice/snow vs that of open water. Start with those. Then look at ocean and wind currents. The amount of sunlight is not the sole determining factor. If it were, there would be bands of nearly-identical climates across the world. There aren't. The Sahara desert is at the same latitudes as the jungles of Central America and Southeast Asia. It's simply not as simple as you think it is.
 

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1) Passengers board an airliner in Las Vegas destined for Chicago. Everyone
is seated during take-off and anon the plane reaches its cruising speed of
550 mph.

It's then possible to throw a baseball toward the pilots faster than even the
fastest big league pitcher down on the ground because the baseball is
already moving thru the air at 550 mph even before it's thrown.

2) A train is traveling at 50 mph. A passenger, fed up with his cell service,
angrily throws his phone off the back the train at exactly 50 mph. Will the
phone come to ground exactly where it left the man's hand?

3) Let's say that instead of throwing his phone, the man just drops it. The
phone in his hand is moving at the same rate as the train, so it won't come
to ground at the location where the man let go of it. It's path to ground will
be tapered as it continues moving forward while simultaneously moving
down.

4) I saw on YouTube that the speed of light is constant regardless whether
its source is in motion. For example; were one of the pilots in our
hypothetical airliner to fire a laser pointer out the front of the cockpit, the
beam's velocity wouldn't exceed the speed of light. In other words, the
airliner's cruising speed wouldn't add to the laser's speed like it did the baseball.

* Light is curious. It slows down a bit when passing thru mediums like air, water,
and plastic, but apparently there's no way to make it go faster.
_
 

RaceRunner

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1) Passengers board an airliner in Las Vegas destined for Chicago. Everyone
is seated during take-off and anon the plane reaches its cruising speed of
550 mph.


It's then possible to throw a baseball toward the pilots faster than even the
fastest big league pitcher down on the ground because the baseball is
already moving thru the air at 550 mph even before it's thrown.


2) A train is traveling at 50 mph. A passenger, fed up with his cell service,
angrily throws his phone off the back the train at exactly 50 mph. Will the
phone come to ground exactly where it left the man's hand?


3) Let's say that instead of throwing his phone, the man just drops it. The
phone in his hand is moving at the same rate as the train, so it won't come
to ground at the location where the man let go of it. It's path to ground will
be tapered as it continues moving forward while simultaneously moving
down.


4) I saw on YouTube that the speed of light is constant regardless whether
its source is in motion. For example; were one of the pilots in our
hypothetical airliner to fire a laser pointer out the front of the cockpit, the
beam's velocity wouldn't exceed the speed of light. In other words, the
airliner's cruising speed wouldn't add to the laser's speed like it did the baseball.


* Light is curious. It slows down a bit when passing thru mediums like air, water,
and plastic, but apparently there's no way to make it go faster.
_
It is impossible to land on a spinning ball.