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You already know that the name given to Mary and Joseph by the angel from God was Jesus.
Those who.teach we must pronounce it in Hebrew do not know Hebrew.
The Hebrew language was lost and the current one was invented in the 1800s.
Plants and animals don't evolve, but languages do. Judges 12 puts an exclamation point on that fact.
"And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand."
The pronunciation was one tribe's test to determine if their enemy was trying to enter the land.
Do you think God has this strict rule to determine if you will go to heaven or not?
The Hebrew roots movement seems to think so, but I don't. The Hebrew Roots sects would have us believe that you must not pronounce Jesus' name in common Greek, but rather in Hebrew, which the Bible shows is absolutely wrong.
I caution you and others to beware of the Hebrew Roots sects that would try to persuade you to keep the law to be saved or to maintain salvation.
That is the main doctrine of many of them.
Here's a little bit about the truth of Grace in Jesus. Someone shared the same message with me and this makes far more sense. Let me know what you think Mawake.
Heaven?
Those who.teach we must pronounce it in Hebrew do not know Hebrew.
The Hebrew language was lost and the current one was invented in the 1800s.
Plants and animals don't evolve, but languages do. Judges 12 puts an exclamation point on that fact.
"And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand."
The pronunciation was one tribe's test to determine if their enemy was trying to enter the land.
Do you think God has this strict rule to determine if you will go to heaven or not?
The Hebrew roots movement seems to think so, but I don't. The Hebrew Roots sects would have us believe that you must not pronounce Jesus' name in common Greek, but rather in Hebrew, which the Bible shows is absolutely wrong.
I caution you and others to beware of the Hebrew Roots sects that would try to persuade you to keep the law to be saved or to maintain salvation.
That is the main doctrine of many of them.
Here's a little bit about the truth of Grace in Jesus. Someone shared the same message with me and this makes far more sense. Let me know what you think Mawake.
Heaven?
I believe God is the Father, his Son is Jesus, that is biblical, there is no mention of a trinity in the Bible.
If I get banned from this forum for believing what the Bible says, then there is something morally wrong here.
I told you I believe they are separate, and that Jesus is called the Son of God more than 50 times in the Bible not God the Son.
You keep pushing and pushing me with your beliefs, I stick to the Bible.
Not all Christians believe in a trinity.
Matthew 24:36, when Jesus told His disciples that no one knows the day or hour of His return but the Father only, did He really know but made up an excuse to not tell them?
John 14:28, Jesus said His Father was greater than He was. Does this mean He was greater than Himself?
John 20:17, Jesus said He would ascend to the Father after His resurrection. Did He ascend to Himself?
These and many other biblical passages demonstrate to a rational Bible reader that the Trinity teaching is not only unbiblical, but also utterly illogical
If I get banned from this forum for believing what the Bible says, then there is something morally wrong here.
I told you I believe they are separate, and that Jesus is called the Son of God more than 50 times in the Bible not God the Son.
You keep pushing and pushing me with your beliefs, I stick to the Bible.
Not all Christians believe in a trinity.
Matthew 24:36, when Jesus told His disciples that no one knows the day or hour of His return but the Father only, did He really know but made up an excuse to not tell them?
John 14:28, Jesus said His Father was greater than He was. Does this mean He was greater than Himself?
John 20:17, Jesus said He would ascend to the Father after His resurrection. Did He ascend to Himself?
These and many other biblical passages demonstrate to a rational Bible reader that the Trinity teaching is not only unbiblical, but also utterly illogical
Wrong: quite a few atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists have joined here. You miss the forest for the trees.
I am not switching subjects. You are contradicting yourself and accuse others of pushing heresies while
pushing your own, and you know very well what it is since I identified it quite clearly for you.
Your bait and switch will not work.
I am not switching subjects. You are contradicting yourself and accuse others of pushing heresies while
pushing your own, and you know very well what it is since I identified it quite clearly for you.
Your bait and switch will not work.
But the verse does not say that they are similar. The verse (John 17:11) says that they have the same name.
Can you explain how the Father and the Son have the same name?
Here is another question for you.
Who's portrait is painted below.
Revelation 1:13-15
And in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and wrapped around the chest with a golden sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze when it has been heated to a glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.
The portrait above is a portrait of Jesus.
Now a painting found in the Old Testament of YHWH.
Ezekiel 1:2628
Now above the expanse that was over their heads there was something resembling a throne, like lapis lazuli in appearance; and on that which resembled a throne, high up, was a figure with the appearance of a man. Then I noticed from the appearance of His waist and upward something like gleaming metal that looked like fire all around within it, and from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw something like fire; and there was a radiance around Him. Like the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the YHWH.
These two portraits are identical (Ezekiel and Revelation), hence Jesus is YHWH.
Can you explain how the Father and the Son have the same name?
Here is another question for you.
Who's portrait is painted below.
Revelation 1:13-15
And in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and wrapped around the chest with a golden sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze when it has been heated to a glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.
The portrait above is a portrait of Jesus.
Now a painting found in the Old Testament of YHWH.
Ezekiel 1:2628
Now above the expanse that was over their heads there was something resembling a throne, like lapis lazuli in appearance; and on that which resembled a throne, high up, was a figure with the appearance of a man. Then I noticed from the appearance of His waist and upward something like gleaming metal that looked like fire all around within it, and from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw something like fire; and there was a radiance around Him. Like the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the YHWH.
These two portraits are identical (Ezekiel and Revelation), hence Jesus is YHWH.