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Thank you for your response as it is a perfect example of a person, in this case yourself, arguing against clear Scripture.
And then the old catch phrase = "your understanding" = lol
Evidence A.) "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption."
Evidence B.) Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we shall (not now) be has not yet been revealed.
We know that when(not now = future) Christ appears, we shall(not now) be like Him, for we will(not now) see Him as He is.
And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.
Evidence C.) “The sons of this age(now) marry and are given in marriage.
But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection(not now=future) from the dead
will(not now) neither marry nor be given in marriage.
In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels.
And since they are sons of the resurrection(not now=future), they are sons of God.
Completely denying the very words of Scripture means only one thing = religion.
What religion do you attach yourself too?
And then the old catch phrase = "your understanding" = lol
Evidence A.) "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption."
Evidence B.) Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we shall (not now) be has not yet been revealed.
We know that when(not now = future) Christ appears, we shall(not now) be like Him, for we will(not now) see Him as He is.
And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.
Evidence C.) “The sons of this age(now) marry and are given in marriage.
But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection(not now=future) from the dead
will(not now) neither marry nor be given in marriage.
In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels.
And since they are sons of the resurrection(not now=future), they are sons of God.
Completely denying the very words of Scripture means only one thing = religion.
What religion do you attach yourself too?
Wrong. I reject your misinterpretations of the word of God, which I have demonstrated to be misrepresentations. I also reject your false expressions of love which are not consistent with the love of God as described in Scripture. Don't bother claiming to be speaking the truth in love if you can't receive my comments as such.
That said, if you want to discuss this thread topic without resorting to foolish ad hominem remarks and implications (like you just did!), we can do so. It's up to you. I am perfectly content ignoring you if you are incapable.
That said, if you want to discuss this thread topic without resorting to foolish ad hominem remarks and implications (like you just did!), we can do so. It's up to you. I am perfectly content ignoring you if you are incapable.
On this subject you continue to make a false claim that our physical bodies have been born-again now.
THREE Witnesses speak against your error.
Witness #1. Born Again Apostle Paul by the Holy Spirit says: NOW/TODAY = our physical bodies are not born-again.
Evidence A.) "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption."
Witness #2. Born Again Apostle John says that our physical bodies have not been Born-Again
Evidence B.) Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we shall (not now) be has not yet been revealed.
We know that when(not now = future) Christ appears, we shall(not now) be like Him, for we will(not now) see Him as He is.
And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.
WITNESS #3 the LORD Jesus Christ says that our physical bodies cannot be Born Again until HE returns and the Resurrection.
Evidence C.) “The sons of this age(now) marry and are given in marriage.
But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection(not now=future) from the dead
will(not now) neither marry nor be given in marriage.
In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels.
And since they are sons of the resurrection(not now=future), they are sons of God.
STOP speaking against the words of God and falsely accusing.
THREE Witnesses speak against your error.
Witness #1. Born Again Apostle Paul by the Holy Spirit says: NOW/TODAY = our physical bodies are not born-again.
Evidence A.) "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption."
Witness #2. Born Again Apostle John says that our physical bodies have not been Born-Again
Evidence B.) Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we shall (not now) be has not yet been revealed.
We know that when(not now = future) Christ appears, we shall(not now) be like Him, for we will(not now) see Him as He is.
And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.
WITNESS #3 the LORD Jesus Christ says that our physical bodies cannot be Born Again until HE returns and the Resurrection.
Evidence C.) “The sons of this age(now) marry and are given in marriage.
But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection(not now=future) from the dead
will(not now) neither marry nor be given in marriage.
In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels.
And since they are sons of the resurrection(not now=future), they are sons of God.
STOP speaking against the words of God and falsely accusing.
WE, as people, human beings, have been born again of the Holy Spirit. We are sons of God NOW (1 John 3:2).
Our BODIES will become immortal in the future.
AGAIN, you say Paul was born again.
AGAIN, was Paul born again when he wrote that?
AGAIN, we will receive new immortal bodies when Christ returns.
Our bodies are not immortal now, but we, as human beings, are NOW born again of the Holy Spirit.
Our bodies are not like Christ's body now, but we are born again NOW.
We will receive our immortal bodies when Christ returns, but we, as Christians, are born again NOW. If a person is not born again, he is not a Christian.
The Bible says we are sons of God NOW (1 John 3:2). We will become immortal when Christ returns.
YOU are the person who speaks against 1 John 3:2.
Our BODIES will become immortal in the future.
AGAIN, you say Paul was born again.
AGAIN, was Paul born again when he wrote that?
AGAIN, we will receive new immortal bodies when Christ returns.
Our bodies are not immortal now, but we, as human beings, are NOW born again of the Holy Spirit.
Our bodies are not like Christ's body now, but we are born again NOW.
We will receive our immortal bodies when Christ returns, but we, as Christians, are born again NOW. If a person is not born again, he is not a Christian.
The Bible says we are sons of God NOW (1 John 3:2). We will become immortal when Christ returns.
YOU are the person who speaks against 1 John 3:2.
OK - let's do this as pleasing unto our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
You said: "YOU(DavidTree) are the person who speaks against 1 John 3:2."
You have zero evidence of this = please review my Post #255
So that i do not assume, please clarify your statement here: "Our bodies are not like Christ's body now, but we are born again NOW."
a.) Are you saying that our physical bodies are born-again NOW/Today?
Peace
You said: "YOU(DavidTree) are the person who speaks against 1 John 3:2."
You have zero evidence of this = please review my Post #255
So that i do not assume, please clarify your statement here: "Our bodies are not like Christ's body now, but we are born again NOW."
a.) Are you saying that our physical bodies are born-again NOW/Today?
Peace
If I understand you, you claim we are not born again now. 1 John 3:2 says we are sons of God NOW.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1 Pet 1:23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,
2 Pet 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
See above.
WE, human beings, Christians, are born again NOW/Today. We aren't yet immortal, we do not have our new bodies, but we ARE born again of the gift of the Holy Spirit. It's what makes us Christians.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1 Pet 1:23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,
2 Pet 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
See above.
WE, human beings, Christians, are born again NOW/Today. We aren't yet immortal, we do not have our new bodies, but we ARE born again of the gift of the Holy Spirit. It's what makes us Christians.
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Dino,
Please put aside the false accusations and focus on God's Love in this = "It is impossible for Him to lie"
If you want to make a claim against me as you say of me: "your misinterpretations of the word of God"
This is fine if you submit to and hold fast to this: Proverbs 30:5-6 and Matt 4:4
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
"It is written, man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."
When we have differing view point sin Scripture, will you accept and yield to ="It is written" and "every word of God"?
i have no problem in being corrected, where and if, i "misinterpret" but this must be met with clear evidence from Scripture.
PROOF TEXT of TRUTH = "In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." Matt 18:16
Please do not accuse my love for the Brethren as being disingenuous.
Please put aside the false accusations and focus on God's Love in this = "It is impossible for Him to lie"
If you want to make a claim against me as you say of me: "your misinterpretations of the word of God"
This is fine if you submit to and hold fast to this: Proverbs 30:5-6 and Matt 4:4
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
"It is written, man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."
When we have differing view point sin Scripture, will you accept and yield to ="It is written" and "every word of God"?
i have no problem in being corrected, where and if, i "misinterpret" but this must be met with clear evidence from Scripture.
PROOF TEXT of TRUTH = "In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." Matt 18:16
Please do not accuse my love for the Brethren as being disingenuous.
Brother you have me cracking up in joyful laughter in the Holy Spirit by saying "If I understand you, you claim we are not born again now."
i never claimed, not once, that we are not Born-Again now.
If we belong to Christ then we have been Born Again right now/today and forever - Amen.
The Lord Jesus Christ, the Apostles Paul and John and the Holy Spirit say that our physical bodies (flesh) have not yet been Born-Again. We will only experience this at His Second Coming and the Resurrection (Rapture if we are alive at His Coming).
Your physical body is not you = it is only the temporary "tent" that you reside in.
You are Born-Again in Christ and have become a Eternal Son of God = now/today.
Your physical body will perish and must perish or you will never receive the NEW Immortal Second Birth Body made in His Image.
Peace
PS - the divine nature is not flesh and blood = it is Spirit, Truth and Love = God is Spirit, God is Truth, God is Love
i never claimed, not once, that we are not Born-Again now.
If we belong to Christ then we have been Born Again right now/today and forever - Amen.
The Lord Jesus Christ, the Apostles Paul and John and the Holy Spirit say that our physical bodies (flesh) have not yet been Born-Again. We will only experience this at His Second Coming and the Resurrection (Rapture if we are alive at His Coming).
Your physical body is not you = it is only the temporary "tent" that you reside in.
You are Born-Again in Christ and have become a Eternal Son of God = now/today.
Your physical body will perish and must perish or you will never receive the NEW Immortal Second Birth Body made in His Image.
Peace
PS - the divine nature is not flesh and blood = it is Spirit, Truth and Love = God is Spirit, God is Truth, God is Love
Keep in mind that my God given personality does not have to measure up to anyone on here.
FYI - it becomes painful for me to type so my words are short length and always will be, therefore i focus solely on Scripture with a hand's off approach.
This is uncomfortable for some.
Satan took control and polluted the world with sin with just a few words = "did God really say".
Let us, who belong to Christ, refuse and reject the temptation to do the very same thing = doubt what God has said and even worse change what God has said.
FYI - it becomes painful for me to type so my words are short length and always will be, therefore i focus solely on Scripture with a hand's off approach.
This is uncomfortable for some.
Satan took control and polluted the world with sin with just a few words = "did God really say".
Let us, who belong to Christ, refuse and reject the temptation to do the very same thing = doubt what God has said and even worse change what God has said.
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• Deut 10:16 . . Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no
more stiff-necked.
• Jer 4:4 . . Circumcise yourselves to The Lord, and take away the foreskins
of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest My fury
come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of
your doings.
Those two passages do not speak of water and the Spirit per John 3:3-8,
rather, they speak of repentance, reformation, and revival per the law of
Moses.
• Deut 30:6 . . And The Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the
heart of thy seed, to love The Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all
thy soul, that thou mayest live.
That verse is lifted from a portion of the law of Moses that begins with verse
30:1 and goes down to 30:10. The blessing it offers is conditional upon the
Jews' voluntary compliance with verse 10; which says:
"If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of The Lord thy God, to keep His
commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law,
and if thou turn unto The Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy
soul."
Now, it should go without saying that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were not
required to comply with the law of Moses because its terms and conditions
are not retroactive. (Deut 5:2-4 & Gal 3:17-18)
So then, if perchance the patriarchs were born of water and the Spirit per
John 3:3-8, then it was unconditional rather than a reward for satisfactory
compliance with the law of Moses. In point of fact if birth via the water and
Spirit per John 3:3-8 were conditional upon folks' voluntary compliance with
the law of Moses scarcely few, if any, would succeed.
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• Deut 10:16 . . Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no
more stiff-necked.
• Jer 4:4 . . Circumcise yourselves to The Lord, and take away the foreskins
of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest My fury
come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of
your doings.
Those two passages do not speak of water and the Spirit per John 3:3-8,
rather, they speak of repentance, reformation, and revival per the law of
Moses.
• Deut 30:6 . . And The Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the
heart of thy seed, to love The Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all
thy soul, that thou mayest live.
That verse is lifted from a portion of the law of Moses that begins with verse
30:1 and goes down to 30:10. The blessing it offers is conditional upon the
Jews' voluntary compliance with verse 10; which says:
"If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of The Lord thy God, to keep His
commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law,
and if thou turn unto The Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy
soul."
Now, it should go without saying that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were not
required to comply with the law of Moses because its terms and conditions
are not retroactive. (Deut 5:2-4 & Gal 3:17-18)
So then, if perchance the patriarchs were born of water and the Spirit per
John 3:3-8, then it was unconditional rather than a reward for satisfactory
compliance with the law of Moses. In point of fact if birth via the water and
Spirit per John 3:3-8 were conditional upon folks' voluntary compliance with
the law of Moses scarcely few, if any, would succeed.
_
We're talking about two different things. I'm talking about being born again of the gift of the Holy Spirit, you're talking about resurrection.
It is part of me. Without it I would be dead. Same for you. Same for any Christian, for now.
That's correct.
People who are alive at the rapture will be changed.
The divine nature is the gift of the Holy Spirit.
In the NT, "sons of God" does not refer to angels, it refers to humans. That's what started all this.
It is part of me. Without it I would be dead. Same for you. Same for any Christian, for now.
That's correct.
People who are alive at the rapture will be changed.
The divine nature is the gift of the Holy Spirit.
In the NT, "sons of God" does not refer to angels, it refers to humans. That's what started all this.