Dragons in The Bible
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amen the entire early church we’re former Jews and they believed then after some of those who rejected and condemned Jesus repented believed and were converted and Paul also is a great example of an un believing Jew at first coming to repentance and faith in Christ
one who didn’t believe is something we all were before we heard and could believe and thank God he has given the opportunity of repentance To us for salvation
one who didn’t believe is something we all were before we heard and could believe and thank God he has given the opportunity of repentance To us for salvation
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I was only addressing the claim of the OP... not issues of modern English translation.
A.) I believe the OP was promoting a view of Islam, in which they belief the New Testament books were CORRUPTED, either partially or entirely, long before the 7th century, when the Koran was written.
B.) Therefore, her view would presume all existing New Testament manuscripts are corrupted.
I was only addressing claims of the OP... and it had nothing to do with English translations.
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The biggest source of "clandestine editing" is likely going to exist in places where interpolation from the source material is necessary, such as the Hebrew vowel "dot" symbols that don't exist in the source material.
The Hebrew Bible published by Talmudic Jewish groups should always be suspected of some kind of tampering. These groups are antiChrist and therefore have motive to render interpretations in a way least favourable to Christianity. The original Hebrew did not have the vowel "dots" that exist in modern Hebrew renderings. One meddling I vaguely remember was something to do with the rendering of messiah and "anointed one" which in Christian scripture points to the singular Jesus Christ, but in some modern Talmudic Judaic variations has been shifted to make the passages imply that there are or could be multiple anointed ones. I don't remember which OT book this was from off the top of my head, but it came up in a thread here years ago.
Great topic.
The Hebrew Bible published by Talmudic Jewish groups should always be suspected of some kind of tampering. These groups are antiChrist and therefore have motive to render interpretations in a way least favourable to Christianity. The original Hebrew did not have the vowel "dots" that exist in modern Hebrew renderings. One meddling I vaguely remember was something to do with the rendering of messiah and "anointed one" which in Christian scripture points to the singular Jesus Christ, but in some modern Talmudic Judaic variations has been shifted to make the passages imply that there are or could be multiple anointed ones. I don't remember which OT book this was from off the top of my head, but it came up in a thread here years ago.
Great topic.
I just went back and noticed that you referenced a website. May I ask if there is a particular passage of the Bible?
I was thinking of the last chapters of Job when you mentioned dragon. Revelation, etc also mentioned the dragon. If you provide a little bit more information, it would save me another 4 paragraphs of time on something that you might have not been interested in.
I was thinking of the last chapters of Job when you mentioned dragon. Revelation, etc also mentioned the dragon. If you provide a little bit more information, it would save me another 4 paragraphs of time on something that you might have not been interested in.
I hadn't heard of the YHWH dragon theory before, so I found a video about it. I'll post some of the passages here to save some time.
FIRE BREATHING:
"For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains." - Deut 32:22 KJV (about Yahweh)
"There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it." - Psalm 18:8 KJV (about Yahweh)
"Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth." - Job 41:19-21 KJV (about Leviathan, a dragon-like creature)
"The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts." - Psalm 10:4 KJV (allegedly a translation or source material has "pride of his countenance" as "at the height of his nostrils")
WINGS
"Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings," - Psalm 17:8 KJV
"He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler." - Psalm 91:4 KJV
"They shall be abundantly satisfied with the fatness of thy house; and thou shalt make them drink of the river of thy pleasures." - Psalm 36:8 KJV (allegedly references wings in the Hebrew)
"I will cry unto God most high; unto God that performeth all things for me." - Psalm 57:2 KJV (also allegedly has a reference to wings in the Hebrew)
"For thou, O God, hast heard my vows: thou hast given me the heritage of those that fear thy name." - Psalm 61:5 KJV (also allegedly about wings)
"My soul followeth hard after thee: thy right hand upholdeth me." - Psalm 63:8 KJV (also allegedly references wings)
YHWH VS. EL
The video also presents the idea that Yahweh would be a lesser being and that El would be the true God. (This is an argument that was held by the Marcionite group back in the days of the early Church ~144 AD)
"When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. For the Lord's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance." - Deut 32:8-9 KJV (where allegedly "Most High" has a reference to El, and "Lord" references Yahweh)
FIERY SERPENTS / SERAPHIM
Apparently "seraph" is usually translated as "fiery serpent". Two passages in Isaiah instead leave it untranslated as "seraphim". The description of these fiery serpents indicates that they fly and have feet (like a dragon).
"Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly." - Isaiah 6:2 KJV
NAHUSHTAN / HEALING ROD
The video then relates Moses's copper/bronze serpent healing rod to the likeness of a dragon, and notes that the creation of this (thing that later becomes an idol) was in response to fiery serpents that were attacking Moses's group.
This statement is completely irrational, just like Christians who say the Koran is wrong but have not read it carefully. When Muslims say that the Bible has been tampered with, they admit it in disguise. You can only see the surface but not the essence.
No one has really seen the appearance of God. Whether he looks like a man or a dragon is unknown, or whether God can look like a man or a dragon, depending on his own preference.
We knowing God not according to his appearance, but the word of God.
No one has really seen the appearance of God. Whether he looks like a man or a dragon is unknown, or whether God can look like a man or a dragon, depending on his own preference.
We knowing God not according to his appearance, but the word of God.
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You might try checking out Jimmy at this link. I have tried talking with him without success. He claims to be the only person teaching what the Bible says. The web site has many videos and may even have one which addresses your question. ...................
http://www.graceandtruth.net/
http://www.graceandtruth.net/
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Something else I recall. You mention Hebrew Bible. Mid 70's the Pasadena City College had a significant collection of Bibles which I looked at somewhat and do recall J.R.R.Tolkien credited in one and possibly a translation he was involved with would also have significant variations. I do seem to recall also the Hebrew Bible and how differently it was translated. I don't think the Hebrew Bible was the one Tolkien was involved with. In case you're not familiar with Tolkien, he wrote The Hobbit which was college reading at one time. Even Keil & Deilitsch commentaries on Bible Hub go into some of this variation and where they feel it may be strictly symbolism. i.e. figurative vs literal. A friend of mine gave me a Koran and I have tried reading it but found it unappealing. However, I understand Islam to mean submission and the Bible is primarily a book which is to be taken firstly on faith and that is a matter of the Christian debate regarding free will versus 'being called' also referred to as 'election'. Jimmy at the web site I posted is big on 'trying' to explain this. So the submission in Christianity is secondary to faith. And another word for faith is 'trust', which is the KJV word used primarily in the OT. Jimmy claims he has a big collection of books and 'good luck' if you try talking with him. He is a cantankerous octogenarian who is hard of hearing and his wife runs interference for him. Remember faith comes first and I started with Psalm 1:1. It does not at all describe me prior to just recently. Also Solomon is claimed to have a lot and maybe more wisdom than any human ever so try figuring that out if my assumption is correct regarding his wisdom. Solomon's writings are interesting to say the least. Sorry about the choppy way I write. It isn't my thing.
Komodo dragon
The Komodo dragon (Varanus komodoensis), also known as the Komodo monitor, is a member of the monitor lizard family Varanidae that is endemic to the Indonesian islands of Komodo, Rinca, Flores, and Gili Motang. It is the largest extant species of lizard, growing to a maximum length of 3 metres (10 ft), and weighing up to 70 kilograms (150 lb).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komodo_dragon
The Komodo dragon (Varanus komodoensis), also known as the Komodo monitor, is a member of the monitor lizard family Varanidae that is endemic to the Indonesian islands of Komodo, Rinca, Flores, and Gili Motang. It is the largest extant species of lizard, growing to a maximum length of 3 metres (10 ft), and weighing up to 70 kilograms (150 lb).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komodo_dragon
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I am not going to break anyone's understanding of the Bible. To some extent, the wrong things that Muslims or those extremist Muslims do violate the content of the Koran.
If you are interested, you can read the second chapter of Koran, which contains the reasons why Muslims think the Bible has been tampered with. However, the Koran does not say anything about the Bible being tampered with.
But in the Koran, they said, You said, people are at a loss. Who are they and who are you?"
If you are interested, you can read the second chapter of Koran, which contains the reasons why Muslims think the Bible has been tampered with. However, the Koran does not say anything about the Bible being tampered with.
But in the Koran, they said, You said, people are at a loss. Who are they and who are you?"
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No they do not. Please educate yourself. I have given you this link before.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx <= Verses advocating violence in Quran
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx <= Verses advocating violence in Quran