Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?
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Baptism doesn't require any verbal formula; your intention is what matters, not the words. If your intention is to be baptized into the Lord then you will be. If a person wants to use a verbal formula I see nothing wrong with it, but mandatory verbal formulas are little more hocus-pocus and misses the whole point of baptism.
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Why deflect? My post was concerning the use of the name of Jesus in administering baptism. That is what we were discussing. No comment concerning what Paul said about the use of Jesus' name?
My post "Mock all you want. Jesus is the name of the one crucified to save all of humanity. Obedience to water baptism in His name is what brings about remission of sin in accordance with His death, burial and resurrection.
Paul speaks to the truth concerning the NAME to be used in baptism: "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor. 1:13;
Since nothing else seems to be making an impact maybe Paul's words on the subject will help some to see the truth."
My post "Mock all you want. Jesus is the name of the one crucified to save all of humanity. Obedience to water baptism in His name is what brings about remission of sin in accordance with His death, burial and resurrection.
Paul speaks to the truth concerning the NAME to be used in baptism: "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor. 1:13;
Since nothing else seems to be making an impact maybe Paul's words on the subject will help some to see the truth."
The apostles consistently administered water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. And it is through scripture that one can be assured that what they believe concerning biblical subjects is accurate.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: "
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: "
You assume that when it says "baptize in the name of" that those exact words were said. Where are the records of what they actually said? Where does it say: "And when they went under the water so and so said 'I baptize you in the name of Jesus.' " Where does it say any such verbal formula was used or required?
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If you wish to go by what Jesus told the apostles, just before he ascended back to heaven...
"18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
"18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
I see the example of Noah being that he and his family were saved from sin (the world) by the washing of water (the flood).
Sin was "washed away" through the flood, and only Noah and his family were "saved/delivered".... therefore, they were saved "through water".
I believe this is the parallel being drawn between baptism and Noah... just as sin was washed away by the flood, sin is also washed away through the waters of baptism.
Sin was "washed away" through the flood, and only Noah and his family were "saved/delivered".... therefore, they were saved "through water".
I believe this is the parallel being drawn between baptism and Noah... just as sin was washed away by the flood, sin is also washed away through the waters of baptism.
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This mentality is why I refer to salvation as a "process".... there are too many people that want to nit-pick down to the "jot and tittle" about "when" a specific event happens... sounds pretty much like the Pharisees of old.
Scripture doesn't record each and every event that takes place, in each and every "conversion story"... so, if a person has an agenda to promote, they can pick the conversion story that fits their narrative and claim "this is all that is required!"
One story says, by faith they are saved.... another says they are saved through grace... other scriptures say baptism saves us....
To rightly divide the truth, we should take ALL scriptures that pertain to salvation and do what is taught.... and we should pay special attention to the verses that answer the question "what should we do to be saved?"
In order to be saved, there are several things that have to happen... a person first of all must hear the good news of Jesus (one of those 'duh' things, I know) You cannot believe if you don't know what he did for the world.
Then the person must believe the good news they heard... cannot be saved if you don't believe...
Then we get to the direct question "what must we do?" .... as Peter said, "repent and be baptized and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit"
All of this is given to us, even though we don't deserve it... the chance to hear the gospel, and believe, and respond through a changing of direction in our lives, and the chance to go through the death of our old self, along with the resurrection to a new life in Christ through baptism... this is the grace of God.
Picking and choosing one thing to hang your salvation on, like a cafeteria plan, is not rightly dividing the word of God. It is all there, it just has to be read and understood. It is a process. When is a person saved? When they do all that is shown/taught us in the word. The gift of salvation is free... but it is a process.
Scripture doesn't record each and every event that takes place, in each and every "conversion story"... so, if a person has an agenda to promote, they can pick the conversion story that fits their narrative and claim "this is all that is required!"
One story says, by faith they are saved.... another says they are saved through grace... other scriptures say baptism saves us....
To rightly divide the truth, we should take ALL scriptures that pertain to salvation and do what is taught.... and we should pay special attention to the verses that answer the question "what should we do to be saved?"
In order to be saved, there are several things that have to happen... a person first of all must hear the good news of Jesus (one of those 'duh' things, I know) You cannot believe if you don't know what he did for the world.
Then the person must believe the good news they heard... cannot be saved if you don't believe...
Then we get to the direct question "what must we do?" .... as Peter said, "repent and be baptized and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit"
All of this is given to us, even though we don't deserve it... the chance to hear the gospel, and believe, and respond through a changing of direction in our lives, and the chance to go through the death of our old self, along with the resurrection to a new life in Christ through baptism... this is the grace of God.
Picking and choosing one thing to hang your salvation on, like a cafeteria plan, is not rightly dividing the word of God. It is all there, it just has to be read and understood. It is a process. When is a person saved? When they do all that is shown/taught us in the word. The gift of salvation is free... but it is a process.
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What's next? Those who fail to participate in the Lords supper on some kind of a rigorous schedule are not saved either? Church attendance goes wonky and its over for you?
The fact is......both are remembrances of the underlying reality bro. And baptism is nothing more than a ritual typifying death of the old man. There is zero salvific value in dousing with water or maple syrup or anything else.
The fact is......both are remembrances of the underlying reality bro. And baptism is nothing more than a ritual typifying death of the old man. There is zero salvific value in dousing with water or maple syrup or anything else.