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[Diakonos]

If you mix a spiritual body with a flesh body it is a perversion of what is natural and the results are not the same as mixing flesh with flesh.

Scripture does not actually say that. In principle, Scripture disagrees with you in the person of Jesus Christ, Who is both fully flesh and fully spirit.

I'm not taking a side in this comment. But I want to point something out.

The idea of "mixing" (keyword) spiritual with flesh into one person is Chimerism, which may characterize the Nephilim. But it certainly does not describe Jesus.

Doctrinally, Chimarism is a Christological heresy which argues that parts of Jesus were human while other parts were not human.” (i.e. Jesus' 2 natures are a divisible combination). This is a heresy, and we ought not to describe Christ this way. So the 2 natures of Christ are not comparable to the angel view of the Nephilim.

 

[Diakonos]

fallen angels did not have permission to leave their spiritual domain

Since you are asserting this, I would like clarification on what you mean by "spiritual domain" from Scripture.

 

[DavidTree]

Since you are asserting this, I would like clarification on what you mean by "spiritual domain" from Scripture.

Correction = i never "asserted" this = the HOLY SPIRIT asserted this in Genesis and confirmed it in Jude

KJV - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


ESV - "And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day"—

Peace

 

[DavidTree]

If you mix a spiritual body with a flesh body it is a perversion of what is natural and the results are not the same as mixing flesh with flesh.

You are 100% correct when this disobedient act was committed by the "sons of God with the daughters of men".

 

[Webers.Home]

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In the Bible, it's usually the fathers who determine a child's tribal identity,
i.e. its genealogy. Well; how would that play out if perchance angels were to
cohabit with women by means of avatars?
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[Cameron143]

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Nice.

 

[Cameron143]

The Greek for "first estate" refers to the heavenly body (cf. 2 Cor 15:2).

Thanks for replying. Seems some further investigation is in order. Where did I put my magnifying glass?

 

[Webers.Home]

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This is a heresy

• Titus 3:10-11 . . A man that is an heretic after the first and second
admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth,
being condemned of himself.

Webster's defines a heretic as: 1) a dissenter from established church
dogma; especially one who disavows a revealed truth, and 2) one who
dissents from an accepted belief or doctrine; viz: a nonconformist.

For example: if a particular church advocates chimerism, then in that church
chimerism is truth; and were a member to argue with that church's stance,
then that member would be shunned as a heretic. On the other hand, if a
particular church opposes chimerism, then in that church chimerism is a lie,
and were a member to argue with that church's stance, then that member
would be shunned as a heretic. The thing is: whether chimerism is right or
wrong is beside the point because heresy is relative to unity.

• 1Cor 1:10-11 . . I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus
Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no
divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and
thought.
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[Cameron143]

The Greek for "first estate" refers to the heavenly body (cf. 2 Cor 15:2).

Ummm...can you post this verse?

 

[Webers.Home]

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According to Phil 3:21 it requires the powers of God to transform a
creature's original form into a different form, in effect undergoing
metamorphosis. I seriously doubt there's even one angel anywhere in
existence with the ability to do such thing to itself.
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[DavidTree]

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According to Phil 3:21 it requires the powers of God to transform a
creature's original form into a different form, in effect undergoing
metamorphosis. I seriously doubt there's even one angel anywhere in
existence with the ability to do such thing to itself.
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Read it again.
Believe exactly what it says and no more.

 

[Dino246]

@HeIsHere : Why the face? You posted an "Indifferent" icon on my recommendation of a book.

 

[Diakonos]

Correction = i never "asserted" this = the HOLY SPIRIT asserted this in Genesis and confirmed it in Jude

KJV - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


ESV - "And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day"—

Peace

Clarification: I hold the angel view of Gen 6.

You said the angels didn't have "permission". I am asking for clarification on what you mean by that. I know the Bible says they left it, but since you are using it to support your position, I am asking if you understand what that means.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "permission". People don't have permission to sin, but we do it anyway.
I.e. the lack of permission does not make the deed impossible.

Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[Magenta]

Read it again.
Believe exactly what it (the Bible) says and no more.

Oh! If only people would! Then there would be no flat-earthers or people believing angels had sex with women.

 

[Diakonos]

if a particular church advocates chimerism, then in that church
chimerism is truth

if aparticular church opposes chimerism, then in that church chimerism is a lie

heresy is relative to unity

Truth does not change. The church's acceptance does not define truth.

 

[Diakonos]

Ummm...can you post this verse?

(2 Cor 15:2)


(Jude 6)


Oikoterion is the Greek word that refers to the heavenly body.

 

[Cameron143]

(2 Cor 15:2)
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(Jude 6)
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Oikoterion is the Greek word that refers to the heavenly body.

I appreciate the posting.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Read it again. Believe exactly what it says and no more.

There's quite a large amount of very useful information hidden between the
lines in the Bible that not everyone can see.
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[The_Watchers_2017]

Oh! If only people would! Then there would be no flat-earthers or people believing angels had sex with women.

I completely agree that if people would read the true Hebrew Torah/Tanach they would immediately see the English Bible does not explain Genesis Chapter 6 as it should read.

But then again, when Erasmus confirmed never using the Hebrew translation but copying the 10th Century Latin Vulgate that had been changed 3 times since Jerome created it in the 3rd Century, what do you expect besides the confirmed 2,500 ERRORS known to exist within the English Textus Receptus KJV.

The true Biblical Version of Genesis Chapter 6 verifies Angels with human women, not humans.

It's also why the ancient Hebrews believed when the Nephilim died, their spirits became DEMONS.

But if you only read the English Version Translation, what else does one expect but to believe ERROR after ERROR...

 

[Webers.Home]

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Truth does not change.

It ain't what you know that gets you into trouble.
It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
(Mark Twain)
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