I think people will be surprised in this election on who wins and who loses.

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XavierJesusLovesIndia said:
I can't believe that AFTER Roe v Wade was overturned, we're have this discussion. If it was before, when people were saying it would never actually be overturned, that would be one thing. Conservatives, imperfect to be sure, voted nearly 100% for all the Judges that overturned RvW, not to mention it was all Republican Presidents, including Trump most recently, who appointed all those Justices that overturned it.

Liberals, now having become near perfect in doing EVIL, fought and opposed those judges tooth and nail and nearly prevailed; and if they had, 100s of thousands of lives would not have been saved. Just consider that for a moment. I support doing things for the poor etc, but the law protecting poor unborn children from deliberate killing comes first.

The idea that both those who are imperfect in doing good and those near perfect in deliberately doing evil are somehow equal or it is good to be indifferent or neutral between them is just totally false, sorry, and itself liberal. If one chooses to be neutral between them, that is no different from choosing to be neutral when it was time to end slavery or the Holocaust. It would be like saying, oh Abe Lincoln is just as bad as the rest of them. Or the Allies as bad as the Nazis etc.

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If you want to fight abortion while supporting mammon worship, self idolatry, cheating workers, abandonment of the poor sick and foreign, and embracing lies and hypocrisy, by all means have at it. You are free to do that.

But don't claim you are doing Gods will or that you were sent by God, because that makes you a false prophet who is in all but one of these DRAWING PEOPLE AWAY FROM HIS TRUTH.
 
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I have posted you elsewhere if you want to read it. I am not interested in trying to convince people how or for whom they should vote.
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If you posted I read it and responded. You don't have convince anyone, if you're a Christian you won't vote Dem. Period.
 
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Has nothing to do with my personal beliefs.
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The deaths of over 63 million aborted babies has nothing to do with your personal beliefs?!


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I don't see any Biblical support for any governments on earth in the years following the 1st Advent.
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Whelp,the rest of us live here in the real world where Dems are pushing transgenders, vulgur books, CRT in schools. They are starving the elderly with gas, heating and food prices. Flooding the borders with only God knows who. So the majority of us aren't going to sit on hands and watch this happen in silence.

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Now my 'understanding' is I need not trouble myself with 'worldly' things. So you do what you like and pursue whatever you so desire. I find admonish in the Bible to pursue Heavenly things.
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So we shouldn't have tried to stop the Holocaust, just allowed the Jews to be wiped off the map.
 
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JTB said:
If you want to fight abortion while supporting mammon worship, self idolatry, cheating workers, abandonment of the poor sick and foreign, and embracing lies and hypocrisy
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Let's see fight to save unborn children where 63 million of them have literally been pulled limb from limb in the womb and their skulls crushed or listen to your utter lies about Republicans, hummm. What to do, what to do? Just so we remember what we're talking about here...


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If we as Christians do not stand and fight against this evil, we have the blood of 63 million children on our hands. Their blood cries out to us, what will we do? How can a human being, let alone a Christian, turn their heads away. For shame, for shame.
 
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kaylagrl said:
Let's see fight to save unborn children where 63 million of them have literally been pulled limb from limb in the womb and their skulls crushed or listen to your utter lies about Republicans, hummm. What to do, what to do? Just so we remember what we're talking about here...


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If we as Christians do not stand and fight against this evil, we have the blood of 63 million children on our hands. Their blood cries out to us, what will we do? How can a human being, let alone a Christian, turn their heads away. For shame, for shame.
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You need some guidance and understanding. Read the Bible rather than pursuing matters which Jesus is perfectly aware of and will eventually rectify. You finding it necessary to post evidence of man's inhumanity does not speak well for you.
 
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kaylagrl said:
If you posted I read it and responded. You don't have convince anyone, if you're a Christian you won't vote Dem. Period.
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Here is my apolitical opinion as certain machinations of man are clearly addressed in the Bible. My reading finds that prior to the discovery of the 'birthing' enzyme progesterone, the incidence of miscarriage was substantially higher than today. My sense is that The Creator is neither capricious nor malicious and every one of those individuals will be, if not already are, partakers of The Heavenly Kingdom. Same goes for all individuals which were not given opportunity here and now which in many cases may be those individuals are more secure in the efficacy of the blood which Jesus poured out at Calvary. I don't see this spelled out but I understand The Creator to be loving. Now I consider this viewpoint to be in a sense a peripheral issue which could be debated till the cows come home. Also some of the women in a compromised situation may find it necessary to seek repentance as a matter of conscience. So I could point a finger at your position for interfering with a possible certain salvation as compared with your having a child born to a compromised life like the Parkland shooter who killed 17 and maybe you see this as ridiculous but give it some thought. Were the 17 dead reconciled to God? You might listen to Charles Spurgeon's sermon on vessels of mercy and vessels of wrath. Maybe you are wrong and I am right or vice versa or maybe we are both wrong or right if that is possible. Are you aware of Cruz's life? Does not sound any where near 'Wonderful'. Your buddy is a pest Xavier. Politicking is more appropriate on the streets. I don't see trying to foist my views on any one as appropriate.
 
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Here is my apolitical opinion as certain machinations of man are clearly addressed in the Bible. My reading finds that prior to the discovery of the 'birthing' enzyme progesterone, the incidence of miscarriage was substantially higher than today. My sense is that The Creator is neither capricious nor malicious and every one of those individuals will be, if not already are, partakers of The Heavenly Kingdom. Same goes for all individuals which were not given opportunity here and now which in many cases may be those individuals are more secure in the efficacy of the blood which Jesus poured out at Calvary. I don't see this spelled out but I understand The Creator to be loving. Now I consider this viewpoint to be in a sense a peripheral issue which could be debated till the cows come home. Also some of the women in a compromised situation may find it necessary to seek repentance as a matter of conscience. So I could point a finger at your position for interfering with a possible certain salvation as compared with your having a child born to a compromised life like the Parkland shooter who killed 17 and maybe you see this as ridiculous but give it some thought. Were the 17 dead reconciled to God? You might listen to Charles Spurgeon's sermon on vessels of mercy and vessels of wrath. Maybe you are wrong and I am right or vice versa or maybe we are both wrong or right if that is possible. Are you aware of Cruz's life? Does not sound any where near 'Wonderful'. Your buddy is a pest Xavier. Politicking is more appropriate on the streets. I don't see trying to foist my views on any one as appropriate.
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A couple things. First of all a wall of text is very hard to read. Paragraphs help greatly. Second,your information says you were saved in 2022. Is this correct?!

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...miscarriage was substantially higher than today. My sense is that The Creator is neither capricious nor malicious and every one of those individuals will be, if not already are, partakers of The Heavenly Kingdom.
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A miscarriage is not the same as an abortion. Now surely you're not arguing for abortion by saying "at least they will go to heaven". Because that is a cop out to the nth degree.


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So I could point a finger at your position for interfering with a possible certain salvation as compared with your having a child born to a compromised life like the Parkland shooter who killed 17 and maybe you see this as ridiculous but give it some thought. Were the 17 dead reconciled to God?
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No, I see it as worse than ridiculous. You're arguing that murder of the pre-born assures their salvation as opposed to allowing them to live and make their choice for or against God. Well let's get all the little ones now and drown them all before they make the wrong decision. At least they will all go to heaven!

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Your buddy is a pest Xavier.
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We are all fellow posters here. There are no "buddies". We are all one, or supposed to be.



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I don't see trying to foist my views on any one as appropriate.
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And yet here you are...
 
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You need some guidance and understanding. Read the Bible rather than pursuing matters which Jesus is perfectly aware of and will eventually rectify. You finding it necessary to post evidence of man's inhumanity does not speak well for you.
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer read about his life and get back to me.
 
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persistent said:
I don't see trying to foist my views on any one as appropriate.
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If you don't mind, may I ask where you see the line between 'sharing' and 'foisting'?
 
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tourist said:
If Trump runs, he will probably lose.
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WATCH LIVE: Former President Donald Trump to Hold ‘Save America’ Rally in Sioux City, Iowa
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...o-hold-save-america-rally-in-sioux-city-iowa/

In spite of all his shortcomings, Trump is still a force for good in America. Don't let the Leftists fool you into thinking he will lose. DONALD TRUMP WON THE ELECTION IN 2020. He was fraudulently replaced by evil Joe Biden and neither (a) the Supreme Court, nor (b) the Republican party, nor (c) Mike Pence totally exposed the fraud. As a result America is now practically destroyed and a laughing stock of the world. But Biden's doom is sealed, either in this life or the next.
 
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Kimmel Admits He Lost 'Half' His Fans Bashing Trump
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/jimmykimmel-liberalmedia-talkshow/2022/11/03/id/1094835/
ABC late-night host Jimmy Kimmel admitted on a podcast this week that constant bashing of former President Donald Trump has cost him half of his fans — "maybe more than that."

Trump Derangement Syndrome (hatred for Donald Trump or "Orange Man Bad") was simply an IRRATIONAL hatred for someone who had vowed to "Drain the Swamp". Unfortunately Trump failed to ruthlessly drain the Swamp, and as a result Joe Biden is sitting in the White House.
 
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If you don't mind, may I ask where you see the line between 'sharing' and 'foisting'?
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Maybe foist is an exaggeration. Just that I was tired of seeing those posts,
 
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kaylagrl said:
Dietrich Bonhoeffer read about his life and get back to me.
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I don't see America at the level of what is possibly referenced with Bonhoeffer.
 
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A couple things. First of all a wall of text is very hard to read. Paragraphs help greatly. Second,your information says you were saved in 2022. Is this correct?!
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kaylagrl said:
A miscarriage is not the same as an abortion. Now surely you're not arguing for abortion by saying "at least they will go to heaven". Because that is a cop out to the nth degree.
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I don't see it as a cop out. I often hear people referring to the US as a "Christian" nation. So that would imply that "Christianity" got us to this point in history. I only make the connection with miscarriage as a possible indication that God being a loving being has a much different view of "life" as we know it. Something that is beyond our immediate reactions to death and even injury of flesh and blood. For what reason our emotions are piqued may not be so in Heaven. It is even possible that our recent ancestors views were substantially different than ours. Possibly related to expectations of life span.
 
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Kimmel Admits He Lost 'Half' His Fans Bashing Trump
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/jimmykimmel-liberalmedia-talkshow/2022/11/03/id/1094835/
ABC late-night host Jimmy Kimmel admitted on a podcast this week that constant bashing of former President Donald Trump has cost him half of his fans — "maybe more than that."

Trump Derangement Syndrome (hatred for Donald Trump or "Orange Man Bad") was simply an IRRATIONAL hatred for someone who had vowed to "Drain the Swamp". Unfortunately Trump failed to ruthlessly drain the Swamp, and as a result Joe Biden is sitting in the White House.
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This is in line with recent counts of primaries. 50/50 split. Per Channel 7 in Chicago, ABC affiliate Nov 3 2022 newscast
 
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kaylagrl said:
No, I see it as worse than ridiculous. You're arguing that murder of the pre-born assures their salvation as opposed to allowing them to live and make their choice for or against God. Well let's get all the little ones now and drown them all before they make the wrong decision. At least they will all go to heaven!
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I am not arguing pro or con but saying that it happens that some times a woman is put in a very difficult situation and I do feel that the particulars of each situation is unique and beyond the capacity of the most well intentioned outsider to completely comprehend. I'm sure there is plenty of empathy but that's it.
 
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I think not, but I do think you have!
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As I read the Bible I read that in the Garden God walked with man. When man was expelled from the Garden God did offer to direct mans life the progression was from God directed to Judges directed to king directed to individual directed. A progressive downward spiral.
 
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