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[Dino246]

Jude describes the fallen angels and Gen 6:4 refers to the giants that were born from the intermixing of angels and flesh.

While I don't disagree with you necessarily, your assertion in the previous post is not supported by either of those passages.

 

[Dean4u2c]

While I don't disagree with you necessarily, your assertion in the previous post is not supported by either of those passages.

If you mix a spiritual body with a flesh body it is a perversion of what is natural and the results are not the same as mixing flesh with flesh.

 

[Dino246]

If you mix a spiritual body with a flesh body it is a perversion of what is natural and the results are not the same as mixing flesh with flesh.

Scripture does not actually say that. In principle, Scripture disagrees with you in the person of Jesus Christ, Who is both fully flesh and fully spirit.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Jesus Christ, Who is both fully flesh and fully spirit.

Jesus is sometimes described as a demigod, i.e. a singular amalgam of
human and divine.

But the Word isn't a singularity. He's actually a plurality, i.e. according to
John 1:1-3, John 1:14, 1Cor 15:45-47, and 1John 1:1-2, the Word exists as
an eternal spirit being whose origin is currently unknown, and as a temporal
material being whose origin can be easily traced from David all the way back
to the dust from which Adam was created, viz: the Word exists as a creator
and as a creation simultaneously.

This particular construct is unpopular among many of the Christians with
whom I've dialogued online the past 25 years. They're okay with Jesus as
fully God and fully Man, but not as one of two distinct individuals. They'd
rather Jesus be God and Man blended into one person.
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[Dino246]

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Jesus is sometimes described as a demigod, i.e. a singular amalgam of
human and divine.

But the Word isn't a singularity. He's actually a plurality, i.e. according to
John 1:1-3, John 1:14, 1Cor 15:45-47, and 1John 1:1-2, the Word exists as
an eternal spirit being whose origin is currently unknown, and as a temporal
material being whose origin can be easily traced from David all the way back
to the dust from which Adam was created, viz: the Word exists as a creator
and as a creation simultaneously.

This particular construct is unpopular among many of the Christians with
whom I've dialogued online the past 25 years. They're okay with Jesus as
fully God and fully Man, but not as one of two distinct individuals. They'd
rather Jesus be God and Man blended into one person.
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Trying to explain the dual nature of Christ with pagan terminology is bound to fail. It's a category error.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Trying to explain the dual nature of Christ with pagan terminology is bound
to fail. It's a category error.

Sometimes it's helpful to use ordinary terms and expressions to illustrate the
mysteries of God.

For example: "Jesus is the son of God" doesn't really say very much to the
average rank and file pew warmer, but when it's said "Jesus is God's
descendant, i.e. God's biological progeny, and thus rates a place in God's
genealogy" that raises some eyebrows and perks up some ears because
there's some real meat in that statement.
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[JonathanBentley]

Women are the best. My wife told me so. And she's the boss.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Were the sons of God angels or the sons of Seth in Genesis where the women had giant babies. I personally side with the story that angels slept with women.

That WOULD explain some tings, including the reason for the flood.

 

[Dino246]

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Sometimes it's helpful to use ordinary terms and expressions to illustrate the
mysteries of God.

For example: "Jesus is the son of God" doesn't really say very much to the
average rank and file pew warmer, but when it's said "Jesus is God's
descendant, i.e. God's biological progeny, and thus rates a place in God's
genealogy" that raises some eyebrows and perks up some ears because
there's some real meat in that statement.
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Using ordinary terms without appropriate caveats is no more helpful. In this case it would be highly misleading because Jesus is not God's biological progeny.

 

[TheLearner]

Trying to explain the dual nature of Christ with pagan terminology is bound to fail. It's a category error.

It is also known as the copycat fallacy.

 

[tourist]

If you mix a spiritual body with a flesh body it is a perversion of what is natural and the results are not the same as mixing flesh with flesh.

Isn't that what Jesus did, both human and divine?

 

[TheLearner]

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Sometimes it's helpful to use ordinary terms and expressions to illustrate the
mysteries of God.

For example: "Jesus is the son of God" doesn't really say very much to the
average rank and file pew warmer, but when it's said "Jesus is God's
descendant, i.e. God's biological progeny, and thus rates a place in God's
genealogy" that raises some eyebrows and perks up some ears because
there's some real meat in that statement.
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I never thought anything like that.

 

[John146]

Using ordinary terms without appropriate caveats is no more helpful. In this case it would be highly misleading because Jesus is not God's biological progeny.

The body and blood of Jesus are from God.

 

[Magenta]

That WOULD explain some tings, including the reason for the flood.

The reason for the flood was the wickedness of man. Angels are not mentioned.

 

[Dino246]

The body and blood of Jesus are from God.

Sometimes I wonder whether you think before responding, or, seeing that it is my post, you just look for something to criticize and snap off a retort. Think this issue through before responding further.

 

[Cameron143]

Sometimes I wonder whether you think before responding, or, seeing that it is my post, you just look for something to criticize and snap off a retort. Think this issue through before responding further.

If thinking is going to be a requirement for posting, there will be far, far, far fewer posts.

 

[DavidTree]

amen they weren’t literal giants they were rhetorical giants , men of great renown

“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the world might say Elvis was a giant in music , Muhammad Ali a giant of boxing

we say this rhetorically the giants in the at verse there are the men of great renown and accomplishment think of it how much could we accomplish if we lived hindreds even near a thousand years like they did ?

the giants in the earth are the mighty men of great renown

“the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

If there were “ giants “ they would be more like Goliath rather than the four hundred foot giants that the book of enoch describes.

there still are large humans Robert wadlow was as tall as Goliath taller than a stop sign

I think if we look at Enoch’s account it basically falls apart when you realize he’s explaining almost five hundred foot giants supposedly born of normal women who were bedded by angels

and the scriptire sort of tells us the giants are the men of great renown born after Seth’s line mixed with cains line leading to the division your pointing to regarding noahs three sons

remember they were there during this time and would be there after also “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,”

so they would have been before the cursing of Noah’s son

he’s cursed in genesis nine but the nephilim are noted already in the earth in genesis 6

It would have to go all the way back to cains seperation and the replacing of abel who cain killed , with Seth this is where the division of men began.

the two lines of men

“And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; when thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:11-12, 16-21, 25-26‬ ‭

you have Seth’s line and cains line separated there by God which continues through scripture

They were literal GIANTS = do your research

PS - God knows what HE is saying and HE does not like human reasoning to change HIS words.

"God is not the author of confusion"

Other then that = Hello Brother

 

[DavidTree]

No. He was a son of God because he came from God, at least his spirit did. It was breathed into Adam and he then became a living being.

Angels can be "sons of God" insofar as they were created by God. In that sense, God is their father. But much like Henry Ford is the father of the modern automobile, the angels were made not to inherit God's estate but only to serve those who are part of it, they are ministering spirits only. Not even capable of love (at least there is no Biblical account of angels loving anyone).

Creation was made with each living thing having its seed within itself. This was a limit imposed by God. That is why, today, organisms of crossed-species are not viable.

Knowing this, the sons of God who had sex with the daughters of women were men, humans. Just like the sons of God are today.

Do not be unwise in your own understanding.

Do not add or take away from the very words of God.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

These fallen angels came to earth = "they left their first estate/domain/abode"

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

They came to earth, no longer in the spiritual realm, they were now able to to have sexual realtions with the "daughters of men".

God is not the author of human reasoning and thus confusion.

Believe what HE said and DO NOT make excuses

ALSO - Be blessed in the Holy Spirit = the Spirit of Truth

 

[Webers.Home]

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Isn't that what Jesus did, both human and divine?

Jesus is sometimes described as a demigod, i.e. a singular amalgam of
human and divine.

But the Word isn't a singularity. He's actually a plurality, i.e. according to
John 1:1-3, John 1:14, 1Cor 15:45-47, and 1John 1:1-2, the Word exists as
an eternal spirit being whose origin is currently unknown, and as a temporal
material being whose origin can be easily traced from David all the way back
to the dust from which Adam was created, viz: the Word exists as a creator
and as a creation simultaneously.

This particular construct is unpopular among many of the Christians with
whom I've dialogued online the past 25 years. They're okay with Jesus as
fully God and fully Man, but not as one of two distinct individuals. They'd
rather Jesus be God and Man blended into one person.
_

 

[DavidTree]

If you mix a spiritual body with a flesh body it is a perversion of what is natural and the results are not the same as mixing flesh with flesh.

The fallen angels that came to earth no longer resided in the spiritual realm.
These angels abandonned their spiritual domain and came to earth in order to procreate with the "daughters of men".
The mixing of the angelic DNA with human DNA is how GIANTS were born.

The bones of these Giants have been found all over the earth and were recorded and documented.

This is why the God said that Noah's genes were undefiled and pure in his generation.

Notice that once these angels abandonned their spiritual domain and rebelled they could not go back and they are currently locked up in chains.

"But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Jude