Speaking in Tongues

[The_Watchers_2017]

Thanks for the thoughts.... I disagree.... if this scripture is, indeed inspired, then it is indeed a punch list. Tongue speakers use this scripture as the verification that ALL believers MUST speak in tongues, or be forever viewed as being somehow flawed in faith or belief.
If one item on the list is required, then ALL are required. It cannot be both ways.

so go and jump off a cliff and you shall survive??

i don't see anywhere in the Word of God where we are encouraged to commit such acts that would willfully take our own lives like in suicide. this is why no one should read this passage of Scripture as things we should be doing.

Paul was simply gathering wood for a fire. he did not go hunting for the most poisonous snake to bite him. it just happened out of his control. and we should read that Passage of Scripture the same way.

as far as Speaking in Tongues, it's the Holy Spirit who gives Utterance. so no matter what you or i think, if the Holy Spirit does not give the utterance, no one is Speaking in Tongues. the Passage of Scripture [[does not]] mention that. but we know from the Book of Acts that is the process that must take place.

so clearly, that Passage of Scripture is of things that are POSSIBLE in Faith through the Name of Christ. they [[are not]] things we should be trying to do by our own will and power. < NO ONE can just Speak in Tongues until the Holy Spirit gives them the Utterance. after that, we know from Paul it is a POWERFUL Prayer Language >

 

[hornetguy]

"Foolish and ignorant speculations?" Really?

The issues being discussed are relevant to whether a person has actually received the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. Many think all you have to do is believe and you automatically have the Holy Spirit of God. Paul's question alone says otherwise. Yet it is overlooked by many, including myself at one point.

You may want to ponder Paul's question. If you do, you do. If you don't, you don't. The choice is yours, and yours alone. May God bless!

what is foolish is the back and forth "he said, she said" kind of arguments. The topic is, of course, a serious topic.... but to argue it back and forth for days turns it into a foolish effort. Let the Word speak for itself, don't use it to beat someone to death with. The Word is pretty plain about how to receive the Spirit. Read Acts 2:38, and look at the example of those that were baptized into John's baptism and didn't receive the Spirit.
If a person refuses to read and believe that for what it says, then arguing it back and forth for days is simply foolish.

 

[DavidTree]

Are you accusing people of seeking to cause harm?


No they weren't. Nobody was born again before the day of Pentecost. That was the first time the Christian new birth became available. It's the new birth, the receiving of the gift of the Holy Spirit, that guarantees a person's salvation (Eph 1:13-14). If you're going to bring up John 20:22, Jesus was giving the disciples instruction on what would soon take place.

To your first question = We (make sure you see 'We') cause harm to others when we speak words that offend and can cause harm (not speaking of physical threats).

Please read what Jesus said to Nicodemus and dwell on this as well as what God did beginning in Genesis.

Peace and i hope you take this in prayer to the Lord.

 

[hornetguy]

so go and jump off a cliff and you shall survive??

Where does that scripture say that?
It states plainly that these signs WILL accompany those who are believers. It doesn't say, it might happen, it might not.
It says "these are the signs"
Whether it's suicidal or not does not matter, because they are listed as "signs" which means they are, or appear to be miraculous.

This gets back to my belief that the last several verses of Mark were added at a later date. Nowhere else in scripture does it tell us we will handle deadly snakes or drink poison.

the fact that Paul was bitten and did not die is the ONLY instance noted of this happening.... so to put this in as a definite "sign" that will accompany believers makes this passage questionable at best.

 

[VARob]

To your first question = We (make sure you see 'We') cause harm to others when we speak words that offend and can cause harm (not speaking of physical threats).

Please read what Jesus said to Nicodemus and dwell on this as well as what God did beginning in Genesis.

Could you possibly BE more vague?

Peace and i hope you take this in prayer to the Lord.

Thanks. I hope you do the same.

 

[hornetguy]

I think if you see a bottle of poison and choose to drink it you are tempting God.

That is simply not what that scripture says.
It says that being able to drink poison and not die will be a sign to unbelievers... it is a sign that the person who can do that is a believer. It's a SIGN..... Doing it as a sign to unbelievers is not tempting God, it's PROVING God.....

 

[DavidTree]

Could you possibly BE more vague?


Thanks. I hope you do the same.

Amen

 

[DavidTree]

It was on the Day of Pentecost that Jesus SHED forth the Holy Ghost. And the evidence that the Holy Ghost had taken up residence in the individuals was they spoke in tongues. (Acts 2:2-4, 32-33)


"And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:2-4


"This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:32-33

For your encouragement and blessing:
There are 3 Prophesied Promises of God pertaining to His Divine Will of Redemption

Promise #1 = Genesis 3:14-15 , Isaiah ch9 , Luke 2:8-12
Promise #2 = Genesis and Acts 1:4
Promise #3 = Genesis and Matt ch24 , Hebrews 9:27-28 , 1 John 3:1-3

 

[DavidTree]

Could you possibly BE more vague?


Thanks. I hope you do the same.

For your encouragement and blessing:
There are 3 Prophesied Promises of God pertaining to His Divine Will of Redemption

Promise #1 = Genesis 3:14-15 , Isaiah ch9 , Luke 2:8-12
Promise #2 = Genesis and Acts 1:4
Promise #3 = Genesis and Matt ch24 , Hebrews 9:27-28 , 1 John 3:1-3

 

[wattie]

Brother,
i love you and everyone on here, including those who seek to cause harm thru unbelief.

You continually provide the scriptural evidence of that which i confirm = thank you

Dwell on this: The Disciples were saved and Born-Again before the Baptism of the Holy Spirit was poured out.

Now is time for you to dwell deep into all scripture beginning in Genesis.

Hey something I actually agree with you on David tree...!

Yes, putting Pentecost as the beginning point ignores the work done by Jesus with His disciples.

Mathew 18 has a church discipline process before Pentecost.

Matthew 16:20 has Jesus building His church. This is before Pentecost.

Pentecost .. the Holy Spirit is empowering the already established church Jesus began with His disciples.

It's the beginning of the administration of the Holy Spirit in the church, but not the beginning of the church.

 

[DavidTree]

Hey something I actually agree with you on David tree...!

Yes, putting Pentecost as the beginning point ignores the work done by Jesus with His disciples.

Mathew 18 has a church discipline process before Pentecost.

Matthew 16:20 has Jesus building His church. This is before Pentecost.

Pentecost .. the Holy Spirit is empowering the already established church Jesus began with His disciples.

It's the beginning of the administration of the Holy Spirit in the church, but not the beginning of the church.

We agree on many a Truth in His Word my Brother.

 

[wattie]

We agree on many a Truth in His Word my Brother.

Probably on love of fishing also.

 

[Wansvic]

So, if I give you a bottle of rat poison, you should be able to chug it down and not be affected at all.... right? That's what that the scripture says.. If you want to show us the signs that you have "believed"... ?

Jesus response to something similar was, "...It is written...Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."

"Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Matt. 4:5-7

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Agree ......yet love is an emotion.

True - but BIBLICALLY the EXISTENCE of "Love" is established by whether the commands of the "loved one" (contextually Jesus) are obeyed.

Where do the scriptures tell us God is not to be worship in/with emotion?

Nowhere.

However "Emotion" isn't what gets 'er done. Emotion is all well and good, but has no "Substance" - dissipating quickly when the music stops, and it's time to go home.

The "LOVE" is proven afterwards when the WORK of Obedience has to be done. John 14:15 - 14:23.

So If you're wired that way, then whoop it up, sing and dance and wave your arms all you want - but then DO the things that He told you to do which is the meaningful component of "love".

James 2:16 covers that nicely - You can say: "Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled" all you want, but if you give them nothing, your "Emotional Celebration" didn't mean SPIT.

 

[Wansvic]

We don't hear too much about the snake handlers of Appalachia any more since some of them were bitten when they handled poisonous snakes, and some died. As for rat poison they will say "Oh! Rats!"

Those snake handlers tempted God. Whereas Paul did not. The account in Acts 28 confirms Jesus' statement in Mark 16:17-18. While on the Island of Malta Paul was bitten by a poisonous snake and was not harmed. The islanders fully expected him to die.

" And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.
And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.
And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.
Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god." Acts 28:3-6

 

[Wansvic]

To refresh everyone's memory.... this is the passage of scripture being discussed... NASB version. And I had missed Nehemiah6's mentioning of snake handling...

4 Later He appeared to the eleven disciples themselves as they were reclining at the table; and He reprimanded them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who had seen Him after He had risen from the dead. 15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 The one who has believed and has been baptized will be saved; but the one who has not believed will be condemned. 17 These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not harm them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

The islanders in Acts 28 recognized Paul as being extraordinary since he did not drop dead after being bitten by a poisonous snake. Paul did not go looking for the snake to prove he was a believer. However, the experience provided the onlookers evidence nonetheless.

 

[Wansvic]

But God's word says it won't harm them. Why not step out on faith?

Do you realize that you are saying exactly what Satan said to Jesus? If not, you may want to see the account where Satan said Jesus should take a step of faith; right off the top of the temple. (Matt. 4:5-7) Jesus knew better. He knew Satan was taking scripture out of context.

 

[DavidTree]

True - but BIBLICALLY the EXISTENCE of "Love" is established by whether the commands of the "loved one" (contextually Jesus) are obeyed.

Nowhere.

However "Emotion" isn't what gets 'er done. Emotion is all well and good, but has no "Substance" - dissipating quickly when the music stops, and it's time to go home.

The "LOVE" is proven afterwards when the WORK of Obedience has to be done. John 14:15 - 14:23.

So If you're wired that way, then whoop it up, sing and dance and wave your arms all you want - but then DO the things that He told you to do which is the meaningful component of "love".

James 2:16 covers that nicely - You can say: "Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled" all you want, but if you give them nothing, your "Emotional Celebration" didn't mean SPIT.

AND those God given emotions can be active in "doing the will of God"

Nehemiah said, “Go and enjoy choice food and sweet drinks, and send some to those who have nothing prepared. This day is holy to our Lord. Do not grieve, for the joy of the LORD is your strength.”

When the Lord brought back the captivity of Zion,
We were like those who dream.
Then our mouth was filled with laughter,
And our tongue with singing.
Then they said among the nations,
“The Lord has done great things for them.”
The Lord has done great things for us,
And we are glad.
Psalm 126:1-3

Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is. And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit, speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, submitting to one another in the fear of God.
Eph ch5

 

[Dude653]

This is another highly debated topic amongst Christian denominations.
I grew up Baptist and they always said it's not a real thing
I used to attending on the nominational church and I would hear people doing it so is it real or are they faking?

 

[ResidentAlien]

Do you realize that you are saying exactly what Satan said to Jesus? If not, you may want to see the account where Satan said Jesus should take a step of faith; right off the top of the temple. (Matt. 4:5-7) Jesus knew better. He knew Satan was taking scripture out of context.

Okay, thanks for your input.