Speaking in Tongues

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Beckie

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Sure. If you determine to love by helping the fatherless and widows, it's simply a decision. There may be no emotion involved at all.
so you do not do that with a glad heart
 
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When one decides to love that love is with out emotion?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Emotion is included
 

Beckie

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Sure. If you determine to love by helping the fatherless and widows, it's simply a decision. There may be no emotion involved at all.
2Co_9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
 
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But God's word says it won't harm them. Why not step out on faith?
I see it differently.

I think if you see a bottle of poison and choose to drink it you are tempting God.

But if someone tries to poison you or you get poisoned by accident then your Faith in God can heal you.
 
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so you do not do that with a glad heart
Sometimes, sure!

Jesus Christ is the ultimate example of love. Do you think he experienced a glad heart while he was being crucified?
 
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2Co_9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
That's talking specifically about financial support.
 

Beckie

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That is "Loving" Him, not the practice of worship that He has proscribed that we practice.
The devil himself loves to quote scripture, please don't do the same as he.:):coffee:(y):unsure:
No need to be rude. We so often add to the scriptures , with out meaning to, that is why i most often choose to quote them.

Please show me the Scriptures when He proscribed what worship we are to practice?
 

Beckie

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That's talking specifically about financial support.
Let me understand one can be emotionally nothing while serving food to a stranger. No warmth on understanding no real caring.... we disagree ..
 

Beckie

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Sometimes, sure!

Jesus Christ is the ultimate example of love. Do you think he experienced a glad heart while he was being crucified?
We can read He experienced emotion.
. Glad heart is not the only emotion.

Mar 14:34 And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.
 
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Let me understand one can be emotionally nothing while serving food to a stranger. No warmth on understanding no real caring.... we disagree ..
One can also experience strong emotion.

The fact remains. Agape love is a decision of the will. Emotion may or may not be involved.
 

Wansvic

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Case in point: You just created, in your own words, a "foolish and ignorant speculation" = "how many angels CAN dance....."

Whereas the Holy Spirit conducted the account of His Glorious Outpouring in Acts and warns us of how some seek to bypass thru academic exaltation.
It was on the Day of Pentecost that Jesus SHED forth the Holy Ghost. And the evidence that the Holy Ghost had taken up residence in the individuals was they spoke in tongues. (Acts 2:2-4, 32-33)


"And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:2-4


"This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:32-33
 
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We can read He experienced emotion.
. Glad heart is not the only emotion.

Mar 14:34 And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.
Agreed.

Emotion may or may not be involved. Expressing emotion is not a sign that a person is manifesting agape love.
 
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It was on the Day of Pentecost that Jesus SHED forth the Holy Ghost. And the evidence that the Holy Ghost had taken up residence in the individuals was they spoke in tongues. (Acts 2:2-4, 32-33)


"And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:2-4


"This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:32-33

Brother,
i love you and everyone on here, including those who seek to cause harm thru unbelief.

You continually provide the scriptural evidence of that which i confirm = thank you

Dwell on this: The Disciples were saved and Born-Again before the Baptism of the Holy Spirit was poured out.

Now is time for you to dwell deep into all scripture beginning in Genesis.
 

Wansvic

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um.... I was using an absurd example to illustrate you two guys arguing semantics for 4 or 5 pages now.
Sorry you missed that. I thought it was pretty obvious.

"How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" (alternatively "How many angels can stand on the point of a pin?")

is a reductio ad absurdum challenge to medieval scholasticism in general, and its angelology in particular, as represented by figures such as Duns Scotus and Thomas Aquinas.

It is first recorded in the 17th century, in the context of Protestant apologetics. It also has been linked to the fall of Constantinople, with the imagery of scholars debating while the Turks besieged the city.

In modern usage, the term has lost its theological context and is used as a metaphor for wasting time debating topics of no practical value, or questions whose answers hold no intellectual consequence, while more urgent concerns accumulate.

"The actual quotation is, “How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?”. It was a criticism of theologians who spent their efforts arguing about inconsequential and ridiculous things instead of advancing our knowledge of God. It is used now to say that someone is arguing about trivialities. "
The topic is far from inconsequential and ridiculous. It addresses issues relevant to one's salvation.

"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, IF so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." Romans 8:9-11
 

Beckie

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Agreed.

Emotion may or may not be involved. Expressing emotion is not a sign that a person is manifesting agape love.
nor is zero emotion :)
 
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i love you and everyone on here, including those who seek to cause harm thru unbelief.
Are you accusing people of seeking to cause harm?

Dwell on this: The Disciples were saved and Born-Again before the Baptism of the Holy Spirit was poured out.
No they weren't. Nobody was born again before the day of Pentecost. That was the first time the Christian new birth became available. It's the new birth, the receiving of the gift of the Holy Spirit, that guarantees a person's salvation (Eph 1:13-14). If you're going to bring up John 20:22, Jesus was giving the disciples instruction on what would soon take place.
 

hornetguy

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I don't think it was intended as a punch list that every believer must proceed through to be an evidence. The Lord must be in each of these and we must continually be in Him to manifest His power through us.
Thanks for the thoughts.... I disagree.... if this scripture is, indeed inspired, then it is indeed a punch list. Tongue speakers use this scripture as the verification that ALL believers MUST speak in tongues, or be forever viewed as being somehow flawed in faith or belief.
If one item on the list is required, then ALL are required. It cannot be both ways.
 

hornetguy

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Also, in answer to your other comments: Notice in the Acts 19 account that Paul told the group they had to believe on Jesus. After being advised, "when they heard this" they were baptized in the name of Jesus. (water) And afterward the Holy Ghost came to dwell in them:
Also, let's don't skip over the part that says they believed and were baptized.... this matches exactly with what Peter taught at Pentecost... repent and be baptized, and you WILL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
It takes belief (hearing first, of course) repentance and baptism.... and we are told we WILL receive the Spirit.