WHAT IS SIN AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF SIN???????????
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You can believe as you wish ----but Agape comes as a fruit of the Spirit ----no human can copy agape ----they have not the Nature to do so ------Human love fails ---Agape never fails ------you have to cultivate Agape by maturing in your walk with Christ ---if you think that you can Agape God and your neighbour all by yourself you are being greatly deceived by Satan himself ------and that is my opinion with a period at the end .
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The differences between human love and God’s love
You can believe as you wish ----but Agape comes as a fruit of the Spirit ----no human can copy agape ----they have not the Nature to do so ------Human love fails ---Agape never fails ------you have to cultivate Agape by maturing in your walk with Christ ---if you think that you can Agape God and your neighbour all by yourself you are being greatly deceived by Satan himself ------and that is my opinion with a period at the end .
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Let's ignore the fact that you literally just made up your own translation for a Greek word (or followed in the footsteps of someone else that wished to throw sand in the face of the science of linguistics and translation).
Your position in this case strongly appears to contradict scripture.
Please explain how agape would be outside of the capability of human love if the Bible gives us direction to "love [agape] thy neighbour".
It seems your Understanding is limited on this subject
for one thing --when you serve your neighbour ---with human love your glorifying yourself not God ----why because you are away from God -----your sin and iniquity has turned God's face from you ----
When you serve your neighbour with Agape you have the Holy Spirit in you and your serving glorifies God not you ---
Everything that we do in the Spirit Glorifies God not us ------
Without the Spirit in you ----you have not Agape ----Agape is a FRUIT OF THE Holy Spirit ---not this world
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Locoponydirtman
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If you dom
t live up to the standards of Jesus you sin.
The answer is, no. No neither you nor I libe God perfectly. Nor loved Neighbor as ones self perfectly. Neithe has any other person not even Peter or Paul. Only Jesus accomplished this.
t live up to the standards of Jesus you sin.
All this is an obfuscation.You got that right it is not subjective ----and the only way to get Agape is to have Christ in you and you are to work it out ---Word out your Salvation -------that is it is up to you to master being unconditional in your love -------and the scriptures and Jesus tells you how to accomplish this ----so you have to follow and practice the how to have unconditional love in your daily life and you have to have Agape towards God ------
No one in their human nature can have Agape ---you need the Help of the Holy Spirit to guide you into that love ---and you need to practice it ---when someone hits you in the face you need to ask the Holy Spirit to help you not to retaliate in any way -----if you retaliate in any way you have not Agape for that person ----
-Agape is a fruit of the Spirit and has to be cultivated like all the rest of the fruits of the Spirit like self control -----you don't just have self control over your emotions when you are a babe in Christ ----as you mature in your walk with Christ you will learn by practicing to have control over your emotions ---you don't have the peace beyond all human understanding when you are a babe in Christ --you have learn how to have that peace and put it into practice -----
So you don't have to like what a person does or how they act but you are to love the person no matter their actions toward you or anyone else ------that takes work on our part to accomplish that -------God has given us the tools ---it is up to us to try and perfect as much as possible our Christ like Character which includes showing Agape to our enemies ------
You have to know you have an enemy here who will do everything in his power to make you fail in your Loving God with all your heart ===soul --mind --strength etc ----you have to fight and practice to be steadfast in your quest of Agape -----just like to have to be steadfast in your quest not to fall into sin when you receive Christ in you -----
The answer is, no. No neither you nor I libe God perfectly. Nor loved Neighbor as ones self perfectly. Neithe has any other person not even Peter or Paul. Only Jesus accomplished this.
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Locoponydirtman
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Agape is the only love. Those other terms translated as love are not love.
- Philia – Brotherly Love. Not love friendship. Because it is reciprical
- Eros – Sensual or Romantic Love. Also not love. Sexual attraction is a desire to gratify ones self also hopefully you do actually love the other person enough to gratify them as well.
- Storge – Familial Love. Also not love, this is affection due to closeness of relationship. While that relationship may contain love. It is not live itself.
- Agape – Unconditional Love. The only true love.
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Locoponydirtman
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The key word there is "a part". If its only a part, it is not complete and is imperfect, and therefore we are in sin.
You ignored my comment and repeated your premise.
The position you are proposing contradicts scripture. Full stop.
Agape is within the human condition, it is part of "human love". By your line right here, you acknowledge that.
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@Locoponydirtman
You could certainly say that the highest love is from God and Christ Jesus flowing through you, but that does not remove it from being part of human love. You could even argue that we may not perfectly manifest the pure love of God perfectly, all of the time. But God is able to show His love through people. So even if we mortal humans are only a conduit for that which is greater, that love is still part our experience and something that can overflow from us, like a cup. Something that through our free will we can share. It makes no sense to make a distinction between "human love" and "God's love" if God's love can be in "human love"
Stop trying to fabricate a definition of agape, stop trying to claim that humans can't share agape with one another.
@Locoponydirtman
You could certainly say that the highest love is from God and Christ Jesus flowing through you, but that does not remove it from being part of human love. You could even argue that we may not perfectly manifest the pure love of God perfectly, all of the time. But God is able to show His love through people. So even if we mortal humans are only a conduit for that which is greater, that love is still part our experience and something that can overflow from us, like a cup. Something that through our free will we can share. It makes no sense to make a distinction between "human love" and "God's love" if God's love can be in "human love"
Stop trying to fabricate a definition of agape, stop trying to claim that humans can't share agape with one another.
I don't remember anyone ever saying "I no longer believe in the 10 commandments". Now do I try to obey them quote them? No never. So whats my moral compass? Its Christ in me. See my Father wrote His ways His laws on my heart so its just within me to want to do good. Forgiven of sin? That debt has been paid once and forever. There is no sin that He forgot to die for or remembers. This "lamb" is no scape goat. We are washed in the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST king of kings lord of lords. Those angels that have and will be singing HOLY HOLY HOLY is the lord God almighty "Day and night they never stop saying: “ ‘Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,’ who was, and is, and is to come.” Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, " haha got lost YES AMEN!
So if I sin which has been forgiven I still must pay the price in this world and it will always equal death.
Personally, I believe that the 10 Commandments is part of the Covenant made with Moses... the Old Covenant.
Jesus set aside the OC and made a New Covenant with mankind.
The so-called (misnomer) moral law is merely a carnal way of trying to say that with the old laws in place, people
have no reference point to guide mankind, but that's simply incorrect.
Part of the New Covenant is that if people will believe on Jesus' finished worked and confess Him as Lord, God will
write His Laws on our heart. So, as Scripture points out, we can look at the laws of the OC as a tutor and a guide. But the
Spirit will work with each individual uniquely.
Consider this also, Sin includes us not being perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect, right? How can we even repent of that?
We don't have to... Jesus' work; His ministry, life, death, resurrection and ascension make us more than washed of sin.
He makes us justified, sanctified, Holy and set apart... the Father loves us so much for agreeing with Christ Jesus, that
He goes so far as adopts us as children.
In other words, the continuing work of Jesus living in us is conforming us into His image... all the to the point when He
brings us home to Glory!!! We will be Glorified and like Him. (It's too much for our wee brains to comprehend. But it IS
happening in us today... right now.
Peace.
When Jesus asked Peter if he loved Him... Peter could only confess Philia love for Jesus.
I guess if it was good enough with Jesus for Peter to only love Him that much, it's good enough
for the rest of us.
I thought Philia love was love of cheese steak. No wonder I'm having problems following this thread.
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Locoponydirtman
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Locoponydirtman
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We are in agreement.
We can and do share agape love. Its the only form of true love. My point is that we are not able to do it perfectly. Perfection is the standard anything less is sin. So we are sinners saved by Grace, because we are incapable of perfection. Our righteousness is not our own but is imputed to us by Grace.
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Locoponydirtman
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Of coarse he could only confess friendship, imagine being in his position. He wouldnt be being honest if he confessed anything else.