Eph 1:13, 4:30 etc. You were sealed with the Holy Spirit. When?
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You are correct. You do not receive the gift of the Holy Ghost/Spirit upon belief, nor are you saved uppn belief. You receive the gift of the Holy Ghost/Spirit at the time of being baptized into Christ per Acts 2:38.
Also for clarity, receiving the gift of the HolyGhost/Spirit is the Spirit itself and not the miraculous gifts administered by/through the Spirit, those listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10.
And additionally for clarity, Acts 19 clearly indicates those Ephesians had only been baptized unto John's baptism and not in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins pursuant to Acts 2:38, and had to be re-baptized, or, correctly baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
After doing so, it must be noted too that they didn't receive the miraculous gifts until Paul, an apostle, laid HIS hands on them. It's by the laying on of the apostle's hands that the gifts of the Spirit (not the Spirit itself, but the miraculous gifts) were imparted to people.
Acts 19:1-7
1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7And all the men were about twelve.
Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Also for clarity, receiving the gift of the HolyGhost/Spirit is the Spirit itself and not the miraculous gifts administered by/through the Spirit, those listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10.
And additionally for clarity, Acts 19 clearly indicates those Ephesians had only been baptized unto John's baptism and not in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins pursuant to Acts 2:38, and had to be re-baptized, or, correctly baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
After doing so, it must be noted too that they didn't receive the miraculous gifts until Paul, an apostle, laid HIS hands on them. It's by the laying on of the apostle's hands that the gifts of the Spirit (not the Spirit itself, but the miraculous gifts) were imparted to people.
Acts 19:1-7
1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7And all the men were about twelve.
Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
To wansvic: Here it is and also Acts 2:38.
And you're missing a key point in your understanding.
Acts 2:38 says upon baptism into the Lord you receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, which is the Holy Ghost itself, NOT the miraculous gifts of the Holy Ghost listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10, which are then administered by or through the Holy Ghost BY THE LAYING ON OF THE APOSTLE'S HANDS, as noted in Acts 8:18.
Also see Acts 19:6 which is the account of the re-baptism of the Ephesians after which they received the miraculous gifts by the laying on of Paul's hands.
Acts 8:12-18
12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. 18And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
And you're missing a key point in your understanding.
Acts 2:38 says upon baptism into the Lord you receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, which is the Holy Ghost itself, NOT the miraculous gifts of the Holy Ghost listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10, which are then administered by or through the Holy Ghost BY THE LAYING ON OF THE APOSTLE'S HANDS, as noted in Acts 8:18.
Also see Acts 19:6 which is the account of the re-baptism of the Ephesians after which they received the miraculous gifts by the laying on of Paul's hands.
Acts 8:12-18
12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. 18And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Those who place their trust in Jesus will believe and obey the word of truth, the gospel of salvation and be sealed with the Holy Ghost. Paul is referring back to the gospel message first presented in Acts 2:38 when the NT church was birthed into existence. And later experienced by him personally as recorded in Acts 9:17-18. The account does not mention his speaking in tongues specifically. However, we know he did because of his comments in 1 Cor. 14. According to Peter the receiving of the Holy Ghost is an experience that is heard.
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4
"Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4
"Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."
Scripture shows God using tongues for different purposes:
1. All speak in an unknown tongue as evidence that a person has received the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. This experience was not limited to specific people. Every person had the same experience as revealed in all detailed conversion records. (Acts 2:2-4, 10:43-48, 19:1-7) As well as alluded to in (Acts 8:12-18) The tongues spoken after being filled with the Holy Ghost are to edify/build up the individual. The person's renewed spirit is communicating with the Spirit of God.
2. The spiritual gift of speaking in tongues is different. Only certain people operate in that specific gift. And it requires there being a person present who operates in the gift of interpretation who speaks the message in the church members native language. These gifts are used to edify/build up church members.
1. All speak in an unknown tongue as evidence that a person has received the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. This experience was not limited to specific people. Every person had the same experience as revealed in all detailed conversion records. (Acts 2:2-4, 10:43-48, 19:1-7) As well as alluded to in (Acts 8:12-18) The tongues spoken after being filled with the Holy Ghost are to edify/build up the individual. The person's renewed spirit is communicating with the Spirit of God.
2. The spiritual gift of speaking in tongues is different. Only certain people operate in that specific gift. And it requires there being a person present who operates in the gift of interpretation who speaks the message in the church members native language. These gifts are used to edify/build up church members.
