Summary of Bible references on the Rapture
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As a personal testimony on this I did a search for the Bible code on my name and I found my full name of 17 letters and it was intersected by my Mom's name, my Dad's name, my wife's name and my daughter's name (22 more letters). In addition the year of my birth and the place of my birth was in the near vicinity. I found the verses where these codes were hidden very enlightening to my own experience and testimony.
In addition to this I did a similar search for the Bible code for my son and daughter.
So I concluded that this is the meaning of the verse in John that said all things came into being through the word of God and apart from the word of God nothing that has come into being has come into being.
Rapture is Post-Tribulation and Post-Resurrection of the Saints. Sorry to disappoint Pre-Tribbers. 1 Thess 4 is very clear on this.
1 Thess 4:
Believers Who Have Died
"13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words."
(1) The Lord Himself comes down from Heaven first, i.e. this is at the Second Coming.
(2) This with a Loud Command and Archangel's Trump, not a Secret Pre-Trib Rapture.
(3) Even the Resurrection of the Saints happens before the Rapture as verse 16b shows.
(4) After this only, that last generation of believers, who went through the Tribulation, are Raptured (Post Trib, Post-Resurrection of the Saints, Rapture).
God Bless.
1 Thess 4:
Believers Who Have Died
"13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words."
(1) The Lord Himself comes down from Heaven first, i.e. this is at the Second Coming.
(2) This with a Loud Command and Archangel's Trump, not a Secret Pre-Trib Rapture.
(3) Even the Resurrection of the Saints happens before the Rapture as verse 16b shows.
(4) After this only, that last generation of believers, who went through the Tribulation, are Raptured (Post Trib, Post-Resurrection of the Saints, Rapture).
God Bless.
Pre-trib all the way. Nothing else even comes close. One of the most fully supported doctrines in all the Bible IMO.
Hi CV5.
I edited to add 4 points to the post after you quoted it. Please let me know which point you disagree with:
(1) The Lord Himself comes down from Heaven first, i.e. this is at the Second Coming.
(2) This with a Loud Command and Archangel's Trump, not a Secret Pre-Trib Rapture.
(3) Even the Resurrection of the Saints happens before the Rapture as verse 16b shows.
(4) After this only, that last generation of believers, who went through the Tribulation, are Raptured (Post Trib, Post-Resurrection of the Saints, Rapture).
God Bless.
I edited to add 4 points to the post after you quoted it. Please let me know which point you disagree with:
(1) The Lord Himself comes down from Heaven first, i.e. this is at the Second Coming.
(2) This with a Loud Command and Archangel's Trump, not a Secret Pre-Trib Rapture.
(3) Even the Resurrection of the Saints happens before the Rapture as verse 16b shows.
(4) After this only, that last generation of believers, who went through the Tribulation, are Raptured (Post Trib, Post-Resurrection of the Saints, Rapture).
God Bless.
Well bro....I hate to say it, but you need a lot more simmering time in the Scriptures before you come to terms with the fact of the Pre-trib rapture. Give it time. It is the only legit doctrine that takes into account the whole counsel of God.
Well, ok. I don't agree but we'll see. Those hoping for a Secret Pre-Trib Rapture are going to be sorely disappointed imo, when what they wish to happen will not. The Rapture occurs at the Second Coming, it is not in Secret, it is accompanied by the Archangel's Last Trumpet -that it is called the Last Trumpet also shows that it is at the End of Time, not before the Tribulation -and even after the Resurrection of the Saints.
It's very rare in Theology that you can refute a doctrine with just one passage, yet no Pre-Tribber can explain how Paul can say "the dead in Christ will rise first" BEFORE the Rapture takes place, which means the Rapture is Post-Resurrection of the Saints and therefore Post-Tribulation as well.
Second Coming>==Last Trumpet>==Resurrection of the Saints >== Rapture.
That is the order. Scripture is clear. Very clear.
In Christ,
Xavier.
It's very rare in Theology that you can refute a doctrine with just one passage, yet no Pre-Tribber can explain how Paul can say "the dead in Christ will rise first" BEFORE the Rapture takes place, which means the Rapture is Post-Resurrection of the Saints and therefore Post-Tribulation as well.
Second Coming>==Last Trumpet>==Resurrection of the Saints >== Rapture.
That is the order. Scripture is clear. Very clear.
In Christ,
Xavier.
What you say is a "secret pre-trib rapture" is nothing less than the snatching of the Bride (midnight cry) and taking her to the Fathers house for 7 days aka 7 years. Then the wedding feast, where the entire village aka world is invited.
You need to understand Biblical patterns, types, idioms, themes and parallelism to truly grasp the Bible in its entirety.
But how can that be in light of the below? The snatching up happens after the Dead in Christ rise first.
"the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up"
Do you claim the dead in Christ will rise before the Tribulation also?
"the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up"
Do you claim the dead in Christ will rise before the Tribulation also?
Pre tribulation rapture? Sort of right, sort of wrong
Pre tribulation rapture is a phrase not found in the Bible.
Being snatched out of the way of sudden death, that concept is there, and being kept from the hour of trial that is to come upon the entire earth, that concept is as well. The concept that there is a crown laid up for all those that love the Lord's appearing that also is in the New Testament.
But it is very possible that the tribulation will begin, for example it may have begun this Fall, and yet the rapture does not take place prior to the beginning of the 70th week.
What I think is very clear in the Bible is some Christians will be the wise virgins and some will be the foolish virgins. Some Christians will have a personal relationship with Jesus and some will be told by Him "I never knew you". Some Christians will be told "well done faithful servant" and others will be the slothful servant. Some will enter the wedding feast and others will be sent to outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
What I also think is very clear in the New Testament is that it is a mercy to those who are left behind. They have taken the attitude of "can't we all just get along" and "let's go along to get along" and they have compromised with sin. So during the hour of trial that comes upon the whole earth they get to see exactly what happens when you compromise with sin.
Yes we have a blessed hope of the rapture and yes we eagerly await the redemption of our body, but some Christians are too fond of the world. There are some Christians where it is not necessary to see if they will take the mark of the beast, their testimony is crystal clear and they have rejected that kind of temptation repeatedly. There are other Christians where it is not clear at all. So giving them a chance to clear up any confusion before we get to eternity is a mercy.
Now my own understanding of the NT revelation is that those who believe there is a "pre trib rapture" meaning that the Church will be taken prior the hour of trial are only 14% right. Of the seven churches in Revelation only 1 is told they will be taken as a church. The other six churches have individuals that will be raptured. Those who feel there is no "pre trib" rapture are 85% right. I suspect there will be a great revival during the tribulation, greater than any revival in the last two thousand years and that 85% of the Christians who are alive at the last days will wind up being in the tribulation.
Pre tribulation rapture is a phrase not found in the Bible.
Being snatched out of the way of sudden death, that concept is there, and being kept from the hour of trial that is to come upon the entire earth, that concept is as well. The concept that there is a crown laid up for all those that love the Lord's appearing that also is in the New Testament.
But it is very possible that the tribulation will begin, for example it may have begun this Fall, and yet the rapture does not take place prior to the beginning of the 70th week.
What I think is very clear in the Bible is some Christians will be the wise virgins and some will be the foolish virgins. Some Christians will have a personal relationship with Jesus and some will be told by Him "I never knew you". Some Christians will be told "well done faithful servant" and others will be the slothful servant. Some will enter the wedding feast and others will be sent to outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
What I also think is very clear in the New Testament is that it is a mercy to those who are left behind. They have taken the attitude of "can't we all just get along" and "let's go along to get along" and they have compromised with sin. So during the hour of trial that comes upon the whole earth they get to see exactly what happens when you compromise with sin.
Yes we have a blessed hope of the rapture and yes we eagerly await the redemption of our body, but some Christians are too fond of the world. There are some Christians where it is not necessary to see if they will take the mark of the beast, their testimony is crystal clear and they have rejected that kind of temptation repeatedly. There are other Christians where it is not clear at all. So giving them a chance to clear up any confusion before we get to eternity is a mercy.
Now my own understanding of the NT revelation is that those who believe there is a "pre trib rapture" meaning that the Church will be taken prior the hour of trial are only 14% right. Of the seven churches in Revelation only 1 is told they will be taken as a church. The other six churches have individuals that will be raptured. Those who feel there is no "pre trib" rapture are 85% right. I suspect there will be a great revival during the tribulation, greater than any revival in the last two thousand years and that 85% of the Christians who are alive at the last days will wind up being in the tribulation.
Check out the rapture threads bro. The pre-tribbers win the debate hands down......every single time. It isn't even close to be honest.
We have seen four major empires rule over Israel.
1. Babylonians signified by the golden head in the vision in Daniel. This is an idolatrous kingdom where every single corporation has an idol (logo) that builds this tower to the sky. The ruler of this empire, Nebuchadnezzar is a type of the AntiChrist (a pseudo Christ). He appears to be a great ruler but he goes off the deep end in worshipping himself and becomes a beast. We have seen the influence that gold, money, and idols has had on the church. The FreeMasons use this as a way to gain influence in the protestant churches and influence what they can and cannot say. The US is likened to "the great Babylon". A golden empire with a cup of pure gold (word of God) but that is filled with the befuddling wine of Hollywood and corporate America pushing their agenda. This empire is likened to a prostitute selling herself. I think we will see this empire defeated again at the beginning of the tribulation. What happened with Babylon? The writing was on the wall, the leaders of the country had become evil, lascivious gluttons like a big drunken orgy. They were overthrown in a single night in a coup. I think we are seeing this with the Biden administration. Remember Nebuchadnezzar, the golden head, became a beast and had to eat grass in the field for a period because he had become mad. I see this as Trump's exile. So his first four years reminded us of the golden head, but he did become mad and had to leave for a period.
2. The next empire was the two shoulders of silver. This will be an alliance between two powers that are very wealthy. It seems to me that BRICS is where we see all the silver today. Now this empire also depicts the antichrist in King Cyrus. He is referred to as "the Messiah" and he allows the Jews to rebuild the Temple just as the antichrist will. The Antichrist will seem like a good guy, a guy on a white horse, initially. I think we are seeing that with Trump and the Abrahamic accords.
Think of all these historical events as "transparencies" all one on top of another showing us what the last days will be like. They occur one page at a time in history, but they are giving us one complete picture. So just like the time of Cyrus we are seeing the Jews rebuilding the temple. We have seen the red heifers in Jerusalem and we have heard that the building of the temple is going on in secret. Just like Ezra and Nehemiah where they had to build with the sword by their side.
3. This kingdom was followed by the Greek empire signified by brass stomach. This is the middle of the tribulation when the antichrist typified by Antiochus Epiphanes sets himself up in the temple built by the Jews and proclaims himself "God manifest". The Maccabees depict the Christians left behind during the tribulation. They thought their lamps were going to go out because they didn't have enough oil, but they learned how to trust in the Lord and thus "buy" experiences of His salvation. The Greeks worshipped the angels and the Nephilim and so this was a return to the days of Noah and a religious battle between the two groups.
4. The Roman empire is what we see when the Lord appears in the flesh. That will be the end of the tribulation when Jesus returns in the clouds with myriads of myriads of saints to rescue Israel.
I think Ezra depicts those who are raptured "they go up" and Nehemiah begins with the beginning of the tribulation for those who are left behind.
1 The words of Nehemiah the son of Hachaliah. And it came to pass in the month Chisleu, in the twentieth year, as I was in Shushan the palace,
2 That Hanani, one of my brethren, came, he and certain men of Judah; and I asked them concerning the Jews that had escaped, which were left of the captivity, and concerning Jerusalem.
3 And they said unto me, The remnant that are left of the captivity there in the province are in great affliction and reproach: the wall of Jerusalem also is broken down, and the gates thereof are burned with fire.
1 The words of Nehemiah the son of Hachaliah. And it came to pass in the month Chisleu, in the twentieth year, as I was in Shushan the palace,
2 That Hanani, one of my brethren, came, he and certain men of Judah; and I asked them concerning the Jews that had escaped, which were left of the captivity, and concerning Jerusalem.
3 And they said unto me, The remnant that are left of the captivity there in the province are in great affliction and reproach: the wall of Jerusalem also is broken down, and the gates thereof are burned with fire.
If this were to take place this year the date here would be about 50 days from today. To me this is talking about the situation in the tribulation after the "40 days and nights" of rain as in the days of Noah.
The month Chisleu begins Nov 23 and runs to December 22.
So let's run through a hypothetical scenario just to get a handle on the dates.
1. Suppose the rapture takes place tomorrow, October 30th (last day of summer for places that divide the year into summer and winter).
2. This would kick off 7 days of darkness where the whole earth is to be silent before the Lord as He let's this sink in.
3. Then November 6th the flood begins, seven days after "Noah and the Church" is brought into the ark.
4. December 16th the forty days of rain is over.
5. A few days later Nehemiah gets the news of how bad the situation is for all those believers left behind.
We have never had these prophecies and clear speaking before
I have been working on this blog since the pandemic. I worked on it for about a year before starting the blog on this site. During that time we have seen some amazing signs, we have seen the birth pangs becoming more frequent and stronger. A few months ago it was thought to be paranoid tin foil hat stuff to be talking about the war in Ukraine becoming a nuclear war.
Then today we have an attack on the Russian Navy in which the US may have been involved and we have Russia giving the full report of US involvement in bioweapons development in the Ukraine. It is so clear that we are going to war with Russia, they have issued repeated warnings that are clear as they could possibly be.
I could go on about the world's economy on the verge of total collapse.
But then on the Feast of Trumpets this year we see the 5 Red Heifers arrive in Jerusalem after clearing quarantine. We have had multiple prophecies telling us the 70th week, the 7 year tribulation period has started. We also have rabbis making it crystal clear that they are currently meeting with and talking to "the Messiah".
This was not a shock out of the blue. We had the two cows with the sevens that pointed to this year, we had the fact that this year was a Shemitah year and it was very clear from Daniel that the 70th week would be a Shemitah year. That is big because if the tribulation didn't start this year you would have to wait another seven years. We had the two fig tree prophecies pointing to this year and aspects of the story of Noah pointing to this year, and a number of prophecies from the Psalms and indications from the Hebrew text that Pastor Sandy Armstrong has picked up on pointing to this year as well.
Now I thought the rapture would be before the 70th week began, but I had no scriptural basis to say that, only my own reasoning. So it does seem that the tribulation has started and there was no "pre tribulation" rapture. However, we also have not had "the hour of trial" yet (financial collapse, economic collapse, famine and nuclear war).
But what I have been looking for is a very clear word on the rapture. We do have a promise that the Lord doesn't do anything without telling His prophets, so I was scanning the prophecies.
Then we had two different prophets who to a certain extent have been vetted by Prophecy Club, Stan, and even though he doesn't believe in a pre trib rapture I did interpret their words to indicate that this was about to happen. Based on Jeremiah's word that "summer is over and we are not saved" I figured it would happen prior to October 31. Based on a dream I had from the Lord I expect it would happen on the Lord's day. And now we are getting it tied into this prophecy about the sun being darkened and the moon turning to blood. Based on that prophecy I felt it had to be before Thanksgiving. But now we have this girl in Germany pointing us to October 30th and being given a very clear word to say it is October 30th.
I felt we would get a 1 week warning (she gave that to us) and then we would get a confirmation that this was legit and we got that as well with the supernova, and I also expected a one day warning (just as Lot got) and she has given us this as well.
Therefore, I know that many people have theorized about the rapture over the last few years, but we have never had this clear speaking tied into the sure word of prophecy from the Bible prior to this.
I have been working on this blog since the pandemic. I worked on it for about a year before starting the blog on this site. During that time we have seen some amazing signs, we have seen the birth pangs becoming more frequent and stronger. A few months ago it was thought to be paranoid tin foil hat stuff to be talking about the war in Ukraine becoming a nuclear war.
Then today we have an attack on the Russian Navy in which the US may have been involved and we have Russia giving the full report of US involvement in bioweapons development in the Ukraine. It is so clear that we are going to war with Russia, they have issued repeated warnings that are clear as they could possibly be.
I could go on about the world's economy on the verge of total collapse.
But then on the Feast of Trumpets this year we see the 5 Red Heifers arrive in Jerusalem after clearing quarantine. We have had multiple prophecies telling us the 70th week, the 7 year tribulation period has started. We also have rabbis making it crystal clear that they are currently meeting with and talking to "the Messiah".
This was not a shock out of the blue. We had the two cows with the sevens that pointed to this year, we had the fact that this year was a Shemitah year and it was very clear from Daniel that the 70th week would be a Shemitah year. That is big because if the tribulation didn't start this year you would have to wait another seven years. We had the two fig tree prophecies pointing to this year and aspects of the story of Noah pointing to this year, and a number of prophecies from the Psalms and indications from the Hebrew text that Pastor Sandy Armstrong has picked up on pointing to this year as well.
Now I thought the rapture would be before the 70th week began, but I had no scriptural basis to say that, only my own reasoning. So it does seem that the tribulation has started and there was no "pre tribulation" rapture. However, we also have not had "the hour of trial" yet (financial collapse, economic collapse, famine and nuclear war).
But what I have been looking for is a very clear word on the rapture. We do have a promise that the Lord doesn't do anything without telling His prophets, so I was scanning the prophecies.
Then we had two different prophets who to a certain extent have been vetted by Prophecy Club, Stan, and even though he doesn't believe in a pre trib rapture I did interpret their words to indicate that this was about to happen. Based on Jeremiah's word that "summer is over and we are not saved" I figured it would happen prior to October 31. Based on a dream I had from the Lord I expect it would happen on the Lord's day. And now we are getting it tied into this prophecy about the sun being darkened and the moon turning to blood. Based on that prophecy I felt it had to be before Thanksgiving. But now we have this girl in Germany pointing us to October 30th and being given a very clear word to say it is October 30th.
I felt we would get a 1 week warning (she gave that to us) and then we would get a confirmation that this was legit and we got that as well with the supernova, and I also expected a one day warning (just as Lot got) and she has given us this as well.
Therefore, I know that many people have theorized about the rapture over the last few years, but we have never had this clear speaking tied into the sure word of prophecy from the Bible prior to this.
The Great and Terrible day will come at the Appointed Time
Luke 8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad. 18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
Luke 8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad. 18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
At the time of Lot leaving Sodom it rained fire and brimstone, that could be from volcanoes. We know at the time of the rapture there will be Angels kicked out of heaven to earth and there will also be demons released from the pit onto the earth. Imagine the Greenwich village Halloween parade taking place all over the world.
At the time of Lot leaving Sodom it rained fire and brimstone, that could be from volcanoes. We know at the time of the rapture there will be Angels kicked out of heaven to earth and there will also be demons released from the pit onto the earth. Imagine the Greenwich village Halloween parade taking place all over the world.