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Apparently you haven't seen the prophecy of the 144,000 Jews that will be saved during the Tribulation to be evangelists of the Gospel.
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Your personal interpretation does not count since nothing in the book of Revelation points to our future. Read the scriptures in context and DO NOT ignore what I said. If you can debate me on the scriptures I posted, please do so, otherwise, don't bother. [/QUOTE]
Well...the lake of fire and final judgment are still future.
[/QUOTE]Your personal interpretation does not count since nothing in the book of Revelation points to our future. Read the scriptures in context and DO NOT ignore what I said. If you can debate me on the scriptures I posted, please do so, otherwise, don't bother. [/QUOTE]
Well...the lake of fire and final judgment are still future.
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It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Being a child of God is not a matter of nationality or ethnicity. See Romans 4:11–17
Also Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
Being a child of God is not a matter of nationality or ethnicity. See Romans 4:11–17
Also Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Being a child of God is not a matter of nationality or ethnicity. See Romans 4:11–17
Also Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
Being a child of God is not a matter of nationality or ethnicity. See Romans 4:11–17
Also Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
Ya exactly like 2.5 million God scatter to to every nation or latter days end of the age return and it's all only one way Jesus says only." I came to save the lost sheep of israel. Read revelations heaven only God's ways God's Will only everlasting menorha ark of covenant etc.... Justly like two God's house Temple on earth as in heaven and Jesus will regin over all the earth Lion of Judah 🦁 and What will Jesus do to anyone that doesn't go to jerusalem for millieum feastivals of God. By the way there are hundreds of millions Messianic jewish people. Jesus went to many cities in israel healing everyone and the whole cities believed following Him by the 10's of thousands 5,000men+ ladies and children. Abba send Jesus all pray for Jesus to return ask all to pray imagine billions praying humbling turning to God's ways God will turn ear to heal there land nation one nation under Gods heavenly everlasting Ways eturnity always been always will be -1/3
1) Jesus could have been talking about His precrucifixion mission
2) It is possible that through Jesus the Gentile converts to Christianity were considered to be unified under the house of Israel. This would be in the same way that Israelites were considered to be unified under the house of Judah. Paul was a Benji by heritage but was still referred to as a Jew because all of the Israelites unified under the house of Judah. And so by extension it is not far fetched to interpret "the Israel of God" or "the house of Israel" to be inclusive of Gentile-Christians.
2) It is possible that through Jesus the Gentile converts to Christianity were considered to be unified under the house of Israel. This would be in the same way that Israelites were considered to be unified under the house of Judah. Paul was a Benji by heritage but was still referred to as a Jew because all of the Israelites unified under the house of Judah. And so by extension it is not far fetched to interpret "the Israel of God" or "the house of Israel" to be inclusive of Gentile-Christians.
A catch-22...If you were to challenge your opponent for the sake of correctness, you will have an argument on your hands.
If you don't, it makes your opponent look like a winner because he run you off. It seems that either way, he wins.
Don't be fooled; pride will force you to attempt to win, but you will not be right.
Leave them alone & let the thread die. Don't give them the satisfaction of pulling you into the middle of a dispute.
If you don't, it makes your opponent look like a winner because he run you off. It seems that either way, he wins.
Don't be fooled; pride will force you to attempt to win, but you will not be right.
Leave them alone & let the thread die. Don't give them the satisfaction of pulling you into the middle of a dispute.
Apparently you haven't seen the prophecy of the 144,000 Jews that will be saved during the Tribulation to be evangelists of the Gospel.
Well...the lake of fire and final judgment are still future.[/QUOTE]
Imageries…
Those verses do not prove your assertion. There were also prophecies given _after_ Moses. God sent Christ, and the apostles asked Him before the ascension if He would, at that time, restore the kingdom to Israel. He told them it was not for them to know the times which the Father had put in His own power. The Lord Jesus had opened the minds of the apostles to understand the scriptures. They apparently understood, based on scripture, that a restoration of the kingdom to Israel was still going to happen in the future, and Christ's words encouraged this belief.
Also, Romans 11 indicates that the blindness on the nation of Israel is temporary, and is there until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. God is using Gentiles to provoke Israel to jealousy. Paul shared this mystery lest Gentiles be wise in their own conceits.
Apparently you haven't seen the prophecy of the 144,000 Jews that will be saved during the Tribulation to be evangelists of the Gospel.[/QUOTE]
Your personal interpretation does not count since nothing in the book of Revelation points to our future. Read the scriptures in context and DO NOT ignore what I said. If you can debate me on the scriptures I posted, please do so, otherwise, don't bother. [/QUOTE]
Also, Romans 11 indicates that the blindness on the nation of Israel is temporary, and is there until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. God is using Gentiles to provoke Israel to jealousy. Paul shared this mystery lest Gentiles be wise in their own conceits.
Apparently you haven't seen the prophecy of the 144,000 Jews that will be saved during the Tribulation to be evangelists of the Gospel.
[/QUOTE]Your personal interpretation does not count since nothing in the book of Revelation points to our future. Read the scriptures in context and DO NOT ignore what I said. If you can debate me on the scriptures I posted, please do so, otherwise, don't bother. [/QUOTE]
Revelation 21:
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Fullness does not mean day by day. Gentiles might trickle in or come in in droves, but that continues until all Gentiles come in that are coming in. Blindness is happened IN PART to Israel, so Israelites being converted doesn't mean the blindness is being lifted. Blindness is on those who aren't repenting and coming to faith. that lifts when the fulness of the Gentiles come in.
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The term "a new heaven and a new earth" is a metaphor that symbolizes the new covenant that will never end. If you believe that God will destroy the heavens and the earth, then you will have to accuse Him of having made a mistake in doing so in the first place. Second, there is nothing wrong with the heavens or the earth. The problem is 'man' that Jesus already dealt on the cross.
There are two considerations for the passage:
1) What "until the fulness" means
2) What "in part" means
By acknowledging that some of Israel has their blindness lifted all of the time and continue to find Christ day by day, you are acknowledging that either "the fulness" is a condition continually met (unblinding the contemporaneous "part"), or that "in part" is a continually shrinking number relative to the absolute total of blind Israel from across all time and space.
In either case, "in part" can only mean "at least one".
If you accept that part of the "in part" converts daily, then you cannot logically hold the position that "All blind Israel will remain blind until the absolute total number of Gentiles come in". It's a contradiction.
1) What "until the fulness" means
2) What "in part" means
By acknowledging that some of Israel has their blindness lifted all of the time and continue to find Christ day by day, you are acknowledging that either "the fulness" is a condition continually met (unblinding the contemporaneous "part"), or that "in part" is a continually shrinking number relative to the absolute total of blind Israel from across all time and space.
In either case, "in part" can only mean "at least one".
If you accept that part of the "in part" converts daily, then you cannot logically hold the position that "All blind Israel will remain blind until the absolute total number of Gentiles come in". It's a contradiction.
