Is The Earth Flat Or Round?
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Odd... cuz when I pointed out that the Bible nowhere says the earth is flat, you argued and argued and argued against it.
Like the majority, i was raised and believed the globe earth indoctrination.
Currently, i believe the Scripture (and scientific evidence) portrays for us a created earth with Laws that govern this earth.
Water being the 'slam dunk' evidence for a non-globe earth - pun intended.
It is also made evident from Scripture that the earth has great depth and a upturned/heightened border as well as a covering Dome.
Which was observed by scientists who, because of pressure from the elite, were forced to recant their observation.
You may want to research 'Operation Fishbowl' if it is still available.
It could be that the deepest part of the earth is where the fallen angels (who left there first estate) are currently chained.
"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day." Jude
You may want to research CERN and its globalist satanic connection.
Peace
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It is actually a myth that European scholars and educated people during the Middle Ages believed the earth was flat. The earliest clear documentation of the idea of spherical earth comes from the ancient Greeks .....5th C. BC.
In simple terms: These people, a few thousand years back, believed the earth was NOT FLAT
The belief was widespread in the Greek world when Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of Earth around 240 BC. This knowledge spread with Greek influence such that during the Early Middle Ages (~600–1000 AD), most European and Middle Eastern scholars espoused Earth's sphericity.[3] Belief in a flat Earth among educated Europeans was almost nonexistent from the Late Middle Ages onward, though fanciful depictions appear in art, such as the exterior panels of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights, in which a disc-shaped Earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.[4]
According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat Earth darkness' among scholars, regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now. Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[5] Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".[6] source
So, when did this flat earth belief arise? SURPRISE! and believe it or not, Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-Earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over biological evolution. Russell claims "with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the Earth was flat", and ascribes popularization of the flat-Earth myth to histories by John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White, and Washington Irving.[2][7][8]
Read the article, the entirety of which I am not going to copy/paste, and enlighten yourself by realizing that no serious scholar EVER believed the earth was flat and the entire reasoning behind such fallacy, was based on people' s conflict in their understanding of the Bible and science and the mistaken belief that if you believed in God you had to believe the earth was flat because the Bible said it was.
The Bible does not say anywhere that the earth is flat. The Bible does not speak about Darwin and evolution either, but religious enthusiasts seem to understand that you must believe in evolution if you believe the earth is more or less round.
This is superstition, not faith and yet flat earthers are convicted, in their own erroneous thinking, to believe they would sin to think the earth is anything other than flat.
In simple terms: These people, a few thousand years back, believed the earth was NOT FLAT
The belief was widespread in the Greek world when Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of Earth around 240 BC. This knowledge spread with Greek influence such that during the Early Middle Ages (~600–1000 AD), most European and Middle Eastern scholars espoused Earth's sphericity.[3] Belief in a flat Earth among educated Europeans was almost nonexistent from the Late Middle Ages onward, though fanciful depictions appear in art, such as the exterior panels of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights, in which a disc-shaped Earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.[4]
According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat Earth darkness' among scholars, regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now. Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[5] Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".[6] source
So, when did this flat earth belief arise? SURPRISE! and believe it or not, Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-Earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over biological evolution. Russell claims "with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the Earth was flat", and ascribes popularization of the flat-Earth myth to histories by John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White, and Washington Irving.[2][7][8]
Read the article, the entirety of which I am not going to copy/paste, and enlighten yourself by realizing that no serious scholar EVER believed the earth was flat and the entire reasoning behind such fallacy, was based on people' s conflict in their understanding of the Bible and science and the mistaken belief that if you believed in God you had to believe the earth was flat because the Bible said it was.
The Bible does not say anywhere that the earth is flat. The Bible does not speak about Darwin and evolution either, but religious enthusiasts seem to understand that you must believe in evolution if you believe the earth is more or less round.
This is superstition, not faith and yet flat earthers are convicted, in their own erroneous thinking, to believe they would sin to think the earth is anything other than flat.
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For those who are so devoted to trying to prove a "Flat Earth" I ask you what exactly are you trying to achieve? If you took all the time, effort and passion you put into trying to prove a trivial and irrelevant fact, and instead put all of that into building the kingdom of God and doing his will, how much more glorified would the name of God be throughout the earth?
What eternal importance does the shape of the earth have in the lives of the lost? If the earth was a cube or a pyramid, a circle, diamond, triangle or octagon, how does that really change your life? Does it change the majesty of his creation? Does it make the complex and intricate make up of this world any different? Does proving the earth to be flat show forth his glory?
You put forward these theories or 'proofs' as if you know all there is to know, to prove something that you can never be certain of. Only God holds all the knowledge and understanding of how this universe works and despite what men think they know about how this earth works, I believe there is far more at play than anyone could ever understand in a million years because there are mysteries that belong only to God and we show pure arrogance trying to understand everything.
And what is this drive for proof and knowledge all for? Mankind's driven pursuit to what, know all that God knows, to be equal to God. It appears to me this never ending obsessive search to understand such trivial matters is a deep hidden lie that satan fed Eve as he encouraged her to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, when he said you shall be like God. What better way to stop people reaching out to the lost, achieving the destiny he has set out for them, than distracting them with the search for such an irrelevant truth. Spending so much time on trivial matters that have no eternal importance for those who are still lost, it is a waste of time and energy. If you somehow prove that that the earth is flat, will Jesus say "well done my good and faithful servant?" Are you doing this for God or for you? God cares about motives, and I would sincerely suggest you search your heart, find out why this is so important to you and why it is more important than chasing the truth of God. Imagine if you had spent all this time trying to prove that the earth is flat on studying the scriptures, on allowing God to change your life so that you could help others understand the scriptures. How much more would you achieve than just proving the shape of a planet?
I wake up every morning asking God what is it YOU want me to do today? Do you ask God that, because I seriously doubt that his desire for your life, your destiny that he holds, is to try and prove the 'real' shape of the earth. Psalm 37:4 says "Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart. " or HE will give you the desires, and place them in your heart, that you should pursue. What is more important, your agenda, or God's agenda?
What eternal importance does the shape of the earth have in the lives of the lost? If the earth was a cube or a pyramid, a circle, diamond, triangle or octagon, how does that really change your life? Does it change the majesty of his creation? Does it make the complex and intricate make up of this world any different? Does proving the earth to be flat show forth his glory?
You put forward these theories or 'proofs' as if you know all there is to know, to prove something that you can never be certain of. Only God holds all the knowledge and understanding of how this universe works and despite what men think they know about how this earth works, I believe there is far more at play than anyone could ever understand in a million years because there are mysteries that belong only to God and we show pure arrogance trying to understand everything.
And what is this drive for proof and knowledge all for? Mankind's driven pursuit to what, know all that God knows, to be equal to God. It appears to me this never ending obsessive search to understand such trivial matters is a deep hidden lie that satan fed Eve as he encouraged her to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, when he said you shall be like God. What better way to stop people reaching out to the lost, achieving the destiny he has set out for them, than distracting them with the search for such an irrelevant truth. Spending so much time on trivial matters that have no eternal importance for those who are still lost, it is a waste of time and energy. If you somehow prove that that the earth is flat, will Jesus say "well done my good and faithful servant?" Are you doing this for God or for you? God cares about motives, and I would sincerely suggest you search your heart, find out why this is so important to you and why it is more important than chasing the truth of God. Imagine if you had spent all this time trying to prove that the earth is flat on studying the scriptures, on allowing God to change your life so that you could help others understand the scriptures. How much more would you achieve than just proving the shape of a planet?
I wake up every morning asking God what is it YOU want me to do today? Do you ask God that, because I seriously doubt that his desire for your life, your destiny that he holds, is to try and prove the 'real' shape of the earth. Psalm 37:4 says "Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart. " or HE will give you the desires, and place them in your heart, that you should pursue. What is more important, your agenda, or God's agenda?
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uh huh
this is just a discussion forum
no one thinks (at least I hope not) that they are explicitly doing the will of God and changing the earth
I mean, what are you doing here? while I totally disagree with a flat earth, I also do not think you are doing anything different from anyone else
just sayin'
this is just a discussion forum
no one thinks (at least I hope not) that they are explicitly doing the will of God and changing the earth
I mean, what are you doing here? while I totally disagree with a flat earth, I also do not think you are doing anything different from anyone else
just sayin'
Whether you believe in a globe spinning thru space or other it has no bearing upon the Love of God which Christ was poured out
on the Cross for our sins.
Three reasons why our hearts and minds love God concerning all things.
#1 We love Truth
I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
#2 "no lie is of the truth"
But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 1 John 2:20-21
#3 We love Truth
"We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one. 1 John 5:19
Arise, shine;
For your light has come!
And the glory of the Lord is risen upon you.
For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth,
And deep darkness the people;
But the Lord will arise over you,
And His glory will be seen upon you.
Isaiah 60:1-2
All you have to do is say the words 'Flat Earth' - and [some] people jump up and assume that 100% of every moment of your life is totally dedicated to it - and that you are totally consumed by it - and that "nothing else in the whole world matters" - why is that???
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Do not forget that when an airplane flies it follows the curvature of the earth. You can travel east or west forever. You will not run out of earth. You certainly won't fall off the edge.
You're blaming the globe earth on the devil? lol The earth isn't flat, DT...
The Bible DOES portray the earth as flat, supported on pillars, with a firmament covering it that the stars, sun, and moon are in or on. Why does it do that? Because it's what the ancients thought. They had no telescopes, airplanes, or spaceships. They didn't know what a light-year was. They had no concept of outer space. To them, the earth was flat. They thought they could build a tower to reach heaven. God frequently works with people according to their level of understanding, and that includes the inspiration of the scriptures.
To believe the earth is flat today is simply willfull ignorance.
You're blaming the globe earth on the devil? lol The earth isn't flat, DT...
The Bible DOES portray the earth as flat, supported on pillars, with a firmament covering it that the stars, sun, and moon are in or on. Why does it do that? Because it's what the ancients thought. They had no telescopes, airplanes, or spaceships. They didn't know what a light-year was. They had no concept of outer space. To them, the earth was flat. They thought they could build a tower to reach heaven. God frequently works with people according to their level of understanding, and that includes the inspiration of the scriptures.
To believe the earth is flat today is simply willfull ignorance.
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Lol = "it's what the ancients thought"
now you have me rolling Dear Brother
On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
Hey, i love your fellowship in Christ
now you have me rolling Dear Brother
On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
Hey, i love your fellowship in Christ
*** Just in case you missed me saying this = This is not a salvation issue and has no bearing on our faith in Christ.
Many are unaware of the subtilty of the serpent and how easily we forget or misplace the Lord as Creator of all things.
Most are unaware of the purpose and plan of a globe earth began thousands of years ago.
The LORD uses childish things to confound the wise - HE delights in this.
The helium balloon example and water are two of them.
Have you researched 'Operation Fishbowl' ???
i am not sure if it is still available as they are scrubbing the internet of info.
Did you see the two world record long distance photos???
Peace and i hope i'm wrong
Many are unaware of the subtilty of the serpent and how easily we forget or misplace the Lord as Creator of all things.
Most are unaware of the purpose and plan of a globe earth began thousands of years ago.
The LORD uses childish things to confound the wise - HE delights in this.
The helium balloon example and water are two of them.
Have you researched 'Operation Fishbowl' ???
i am not sure if it is still available as they are scrubbing the internet of info.
Did you see the two world record long distance photos???
Peace and i hope i'm wrong
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Thinking on behalf of the darkened world and my Brethren = If i'm wrong then most are not.
Since my faith in Christ is strong, being wrong does not deter my walk and trust in Him.
Keep in mind this: All of us came into this world born in sin, dead to God, believing what has been governed by the wicked one.
Only the word of God and the Truth in Creation gave us all hope and light in a darkened world = even when we were yet in sin.
Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:
TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ - Acts
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, - Romans
Well, well, well - wouldn't ya know that that old serpent, the Devil, always seeks to cover up the Truth with his own version of creation and the universe.
Peace Brother and thank you for sharing Truth on the 'speaking in tongues' thread.
Since my faith in Christ is strong, being wrong does not deter my walk and trust in Him.
Keep in mind this: All of us came into this world born in sin, dead to God, believing what has been governed by the wicked one.
Only the word of God and the Truth in Creation gave us all hope and light in a darkened world = even when we were yet in sin.
Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:
TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ - Acts
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, - Romans
Well, well, well - wouldn't ya know that that old serpent, the Devil, always seeks to cover up the Truth with his own version of creation and the universe.
Peace Brother and thank you for sharing Truth on the 'speaking in tongues' thread.