Speaking in Tongues

[DavidTree]

Speaking in tongues is a gift that has apparently come to an end.


1 Corinthians 13:8 KJV - "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away."

1 Corinthians 13:8 NLT - "Prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge will become useless. But love will last forever!"

If tongues are intended to come to an end, I wouldn't get too excited about such a "gift."

Dear Beloved Brother in the Circumcision of the Holy Spirit,

Do not tread against the Scriptures, most especially on this subject but rather give yourself to prayer, study and more prayer.

The most glaring Truth in 1 Corinthians (on the subject of spiritual gifts) is out in the OPEN, staring at everyone in the face and most pass by completely blind to it.

May you be blessed in your heart and spirit to find this Truth in the Holy Scriptures and have another layer of covering circumcised from your heart.

PEACE to you Beloved Dear Brother in Christ, who has brought great Joy to my spirit as well as to others.

"But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."
2 Timothy 3:13-17

 

[DavidTree]

It stands to reason that the gift of tongues has a compliment in the gift of interpretation of tongues

we’re actually informed a lot about it a lot of details we can learn from like this example

“For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14:8-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we’re saying remarkable things and no one understands what we are saying what benefit is it to anyone ? Interpretation is the gift that needs to compliment tongues in order for there to be any benefit at all even the prayer wouldn’t understand or benefit from a prayer without known words it truly would be babelling Incoherantly not even knowing what was being said

You said:
"if we’re saying remarkable things and no one understands what we are saying what benefit is it to anyone ? Interpretation is the gift that needs to compliment tongues in order for there to be any benefit at all even the prayer wouldn’t understand or benefit from a prayer without known words it truly would be babelling Incoherantly not even knowing what was being said"

This is true only in the assembly or if you misapplied the Gift.

#1 - The Gift of Tongues is a known language to God in which HE delights in.

#2 - It is for the edification of the individual Believer FIRST and FOREMOST.

#3 - The Holy Spirit administers the Gifts which are recieved (as all blessings are) thru faith in the Word.

#4 - Cessation Gifts in this present time is a lie far greater then the lie of pre-trib rapture.

#5 - The Authoritative Confirmed Duration of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit with His Gifts are clearly given in 1 Corinthians which is the FINAL AUTHORITY on this Truth.

Peace and blessing in Christ fill you today my Brother

 

[DJT_47]

Scripture confirms God uses tongues for different purposes.
1. All who receive God's gift of the Holy Ghost speak in tongues. (Acts 2:3-4, 10:44, 19:6) Notice all are mentioned, no one was excluded from having the experience.
2. Whereas not all operate in the spiritual gift of tongues which is then interpreted by the Holy Ghost through a person operating in that gift for edification of the church.

Just further to Acts 2 and 10. Those 2 instances where the Holy Ghost fell as it did are very unique and not the norm. In both instances the church was established, and it was for a sign; in one
instance in Acts 2, to the Jews in Jerusalem and the other was a sign to Peter and his group in Acts 10 to validate the bringing in of the Gentiles to the church in Caesarea. Also, in both cases, the Holy Ghost fell on them without the laying on of the apostle's hands, once again, as a sign of validation and authority from heaven. In other instances noted, it required the laying on of the apostle's hands such as in Acts 19 with Paul doing so, or as noted elsewhere in Acts where the miraculous manifestation of the gifts required the laying on of the apostle's hands, i.e.; Acts 6:6, Acts 8:17, Acts 13:3, Acts 28:8,

 

[DavidTree]

Just further to Acts 2 and 10. Those 2 instances where the Holy Ghost fell as it did are very unique and not the norm. In both instances the church was established, and it was for a sign; in one
instance in Acts 2, to the Jews in Jerusalem and the other was a sign to Peter and his group in Acts 10 to validate the bringing in of the Gentiles to the church in Caesarea. Also, in both cases, the Holy Ghost fell on them without the laying on of the apostle's hands, once again, as a sign of validation and authority from heaven. In other instances noted, it required the laying on of the apostle's hands such as in Acts 19 with Paul doing so, or as noted elsewhere in Acts where the miraculous manifestation of the gifts required the laying on of the apostle's hands, i.e.; Acts 6:6, Acts 8:17, Acts 13:3, Acts 28:8,

So you believe that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit with one of the many Gifts, speaking in tongues, was purely a temporary "sign only" for the Apostles at that specific time?

 

[wattie]

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels..."

If "angels" is hyperbole, then "men" must also be (due to sentence construction), but "men" is most definitely not for it occurred on The Day of Pentecost, so your argument does not stand up! Acts 2v8

With this verse Paul also talks about having faith so he could move a mountain.. this isn't literally moving a real mountain, but figurative.. exaggeration.

Paul gives examples.. 'though I could do this'.. not that he actually is doing it.. but making a point about the supremacy of the gift of love above all things.

It's the 'as if I could do this.. what would it mean if I had not the love of Christ abiding in me'

But the main thing here is if it were tongues of angels Paul was actually speaking in.. why in Act 2 is it something different?

And with the speaking in mysteries to himself.. that isn't saying those mysteries are the tongues of angels.

 

[VARob]

#4 - Cessation Gifts in this present time is a lie far greater then the lie of pre-trib rapture.

The pre-trib rapture is not a lie. If you're a Christian, you'll be in it.

(OT for this thread.)

 

[VARob]

But the main thing here is if it were tongues of angels Paul was actually speaking in.. why in Act 2 is it something different?

The Bible says tongues are of men OR angels. On the day of Pentecost, they were the tongues of men (obviously). The significance of what happened, the outpouring of the gift of the Holy Spirit, was underscored by the fact that the languages the apostles were speaking were the languages of others present. That rarely happens, which is why when a person speaks in tongues in the church, it must be interpreted.

And with the speaking in mysteries to himself.. that isn't saying those mysteries are the tongues of angels.

The mysteries are not the languages themselves, but the language the person is speaking is either a language of men or angels.

 

[DavidTree]

The pre-trib rapture is not a lie. If you're a Christian, you'll be in it.

(OT for this thread.)

Peace to you in Christ,

The Blood of Christ and the New Birth thru the Holy Spirit have drawn me into being accepted in His Presence and Beloved.

Same is true for all who the Father will call unto His Son.

Please assist me in the Scriptures that i may believe along with you in this 'pre-trib' rapture = should it be truth.

You can adress me on a thread that is complementary - thank you

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Bible says tongues are of men OR angels.

Not exactly. Here are the words of Paul: Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Paul was simply exaggerating. What he was saying is that without agape love (charity) even the extreme situation of speaking with an angelic language would mean nothing. But does the Bible talk about such a thing as "angelic language"? No. Every time angels have communicated with men, they have spoken a human language -- either Hebrew or Aramaic in the Bible. And since angels can appear to humans even today, they could probably speak whatever language is necessary.

Now it is entirely possible that angels have another language with which they communicate, but even if this were true, humans would not know how to speak it. When Paul was in the third Heaven, he understood what was being spoken (presumably by angels) but was forbidden from disclosing it.

Once we realize that the word "tongues" is used for languages (and should be used currently) then what should be expected today is that someone who is an English speaker is suddenly able to speak Mandarin or Hindi (or any foreign language) without ever having learned that language. Is that happening today? Not really. What we do know is that English has become the universal language.

 

[DJT_47]

So you believe that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit with one of the many Gifts, speaking in tongues, was purely a temporary "sign only" for the Apostles at that specific time?

If you follow the gifts as first noted in Acts 1 and 2 from their origin, Acts 1:4-5 tells that and repeats what John the Baptist said as well as what Jesus told his apostles to do in Luke 24:49..This was fulfilled and it was bestowed upon the apostles. They were given the power from on high and it was by their hands that the miraculous manifestation of the gifts were performed as well as passed on to others. Once they died and those on whom they laid their hands, the miraculous gifts, those listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10, no longer could be passed on. The gifts served a short-term, well needed purpose, namely, to grow the early church and to edify the body, with the various gifts being likened to the human body as explained by Paul in 1 Cor.

 

[DavidTree]

If you follow the gifts as first noted in Acts 1 and 2 from their origin, Acts 1:4-5 tells that and repeats what John the Baptist said as well as what Jesus told his apostles to do in Luke 24:49..This was fulfilled and it was bestowed upon the apostles. They were given the power from on high and it was by their hands that the miraculous manifestation of the gifts were performed as well as passed on to others. Once they died and those on whom they laid their hands, the miraculous gifts, those listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10, no longer could be passed on. The gifts served a short-term, well needed purpose, namely, to grow the early church and to edify the body, with the various gifts being likened to the human body as explained by Paul in 1 Cor.

Thank You for responding.

Your conclusion must be verified by the Holy Scriptures so that it is not based on human reasoning.

Please verify your conclusion from the Holy Scriptures.

Thank You and patiently waiting for your response.

Please inform as to whether you believe the Holy Scriptures to be given by man's understand/reason/tradition or by the Spirit of God.

 

[JTB]

 

[JTB]

Speaking in tongues a heavenly language?

Acts 2 its earthly, known languages. Not known previously by the speaker.. but known by the hearers.

When Paul speaks of speaking though I speak tongues of angels.. it is hyperbole.. exaggeration to make a point.

In the Acts 2 account, it does not say the speakers were speaking in the individual languages of the hearers, but that the hearers heard them in their own language. In this case, the tongues were being presented as prophesy, and the hearers were acting as interpreters of those prophesies.

 

[DavidTree]

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Amazingly simple that even a child can understand.

 

[DavidTree]

In the Acts 2 account, it does not say the speakers were speaking in the individual languages of the hearers, but that the hearers heard them in their own language. In this case, the tongues were being presented as prophesy, and the hearers were acting as interpreters of those prophesies.

The Holy Spirit was governing and orchestrating the Event for the chosen recipients = the Disciples and many in the audience but not all.

Not all heard = "these men are drunk"

 

[VARob]

Not exactly. Here are the words of Paul: Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

You're right. Still, the point stands. Tongues can be in the language of men and/or angels. It won't be both at the same time.

Paul was simply exaggerating.

I disagree.

What he was saying is that without agape love (charity) even the extreme situation of speaking with an angelic language would mean nothing. But does the Bible talk about such a thing as "angelic language"? No. Every time angels have communicated with men, they have spoken a human language -- either Hebrew or Aramaic in the Bible. And since angels can appear to humans even today, they could probably speak whatever language is necessary.

Now it is entirely possible that angels have another language with which they communicate, but even if this were true, humans would not know how to speak it.

When a person speaks in tongues, he does not know the language he is speaking. It could be a language of men or of angels.

When Paul was in the third Heaven, he understood what was being spoken (presumably by angels) but was forbidden from disclosing it.

That's irrelevant.

Once we realize that the word "tongues" is used for languages (and should be used currently) then what should be expected today is that someone who is an English speaker is suddenly able to speak Mandarin or Hindi (or any foreign language) without ever having learned that language.

When a person speaks in tongues, he is speaking a language he does not know. It -could- be Mandarin or Hindi, but it could also be a language of angels. Tongues is not for witnessing. It's primary benefit is for the edification of the believer, and when spoken in public and interpreted, it edifies the church.

Is that happening today? Not really.

Possibly not in your church, but it does in others.

What we do know is that English has become the universal language.

Irrelevant when it comes to speaking in tongues.

 

[ResidentAlien]

In the Acts 2 account, it does not say the speakers were speaking in the individual languages of the hearers, but that the hearers heard them in their own language. In this case, the tongues were being presented as prophesy, and the hearers were acting as interpreters of those prophesies.

Acts 2:6 "And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because they were hearing each one speaking in his own language."

It does say they were speaking. Where's the gift of "hearing in tongues" in the Bible? How many people have the gift of hearing in tongues? No one I've ever heard of.

 

[Blade]

Thanks OP never heard of the man. I personally don't see how writing allot of books or none.. for me makes one more spiritual. Some love to share things the lord has shown them praise God.

So do I read the bible then tell God what He can and can not do? Or do I listen to someone that wow seems to have the real truth and believe follow them because or its what I believe also? I think we need to really dive in to what "doubt" does what effect does it can it have with God, sweet holy Spirit in our life's. So were talking about something that is written in that book. It is odd we will touch so to speak somethings yet never touch other things. Christ said we will cast out demons, speak with new tongues "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak in new tongues; " Goes on about picking up serpents and we will lay hands on the sick they will recover. Its always ...well confusing how we will tag somethings Christ told them as FOR ALL! Then other things we toss it on some groups that duh do not believe like us huh.

See for me when I read His word.. He said it and He is real He is alive and in me. Now I can't just say I read Luke 11:13 and believe and was filled with the holy Spirit. I was asked if I wanted it. They prayed very short prayer and nothing happened. I get up go sit down and tongues just came out. I cannot imagine what this life this walk would be with out it and it being that sweet sweet holy Spirit. It does hurt to read or hear people making fun of Him. Matters not what we believe what IT really is. Its fact "it" is Him. If you wont make fun of them in the word NT calling IT names then don't do it now. Your blind you do not fully understand so speak words of life.

When God speaks says something as with Luke 11:13. If you ask He will always give you what He promised. No one asking for the holy Spirit will ever get anything else but the holy Spirit since God cannot lie. Someone not saved asking can get another spirit. WHY some focus on this "tongues" I do not know. I have always seen those that ask always receive. Some fast some can take days weeks months or a year like it did for my mom. But "tongues" is always there. That's it not saying anything else about it. It happened in the word it still happens today.

Touching something yet leaving other things not really touched. Here we are talking about tongues yet we were told by just a man or the holy Spirit that it is far greater if we "Eagerly pursue and seek to acquire [this] love [make it your aim, your great quest]; and earnestly desire and cultivate the spiritual endowments (gifts), especially that you may prophesy (interpret the divine will and purpose in inspired preaching and teaching). " That we may prophesy. Now that is not a gift where you talk about the future. That is not what prophesy is. We ALL can prophesy. We all do it here day in day out. You start typing (not always) and then you read back and.. "wow I said that? I just blessed my self". Its always good and will uplift point to Christ.

So its your choice and He will not say a word. You believe the gifts are dead He will not say a word not force you to believe. He didn't do it when He was here nor since Gen to Rev. Or you can just read what He said not what any one else said and ask pray to Him about it and blindly believe if He said it He not man He will do it. It HAS TO BE faith nothing else will please Him. Doubt will always put a hold a stop on what God is doing in your life. See I tell Him all the time not that I believe ANY of you are wrong but Father if I AM in any area change me first in JESUS name. He real.. I mean it with my heart and He will show me by His word where I am wrong. He is right not me

 

[JTB]

Acts 2:6 "And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because they were hearing each one speaking in his own language."

It does say they were speaking. Where's the gift of "hearing in tongues" in the Bible? How many people have the gift of hearing in tongues? No one I've ever heard of.

It's called interpretation. That IS in the Bible. At least it is as long as you don't read from the MRV

 

[ResidentAlien]

It's called interpretation. That IS in the Bible. At least it is as long as you don't read from the MRV

If someone has a gift of "hearing in tongues" there's no need for an interpreter. The only reason there would be a need for an interpreter is if those hearing don't understand what's being said.

Besides that, there's no gift of hearing in tongues. Interpretation is a valid gift but it's not the same thing as what you say happened in Acts 2.