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And that's exactly what someone living in a simulated world would say. When you are dreaming, the dream world "feels" real at the time until you wake up. The dream "logic" makes sense at the time.
It can also be the case in dreams that some truths of the waking world shine through, and even stranger, to have moments of being lucid in dreams, fully aware of the dreamworld around you.
And yet people can be tricked and have misconceptions. Even those of faith, or else why would Jesus have warned about false Christs to come? We can be lulled into incorrect perceptions, and we should have the humility to realize this. We will fall and falter, but the love in our hearts guides us to the right path.
The point of thought experiments such as Plato's Allegory of the Cave is to explore the implications that what you commonly refer to as "the world" may not actually be the world. The Allegory of the Cave points to the idea of an experienced reality that is removed contextually from what is objectively true. That which is experienced would be a shadow of what is true.
When we look at cognitive science, we see that what we see as conscious experience is by its nature simulated. The gaps in that internal simulation is the reason why sensory illusions are possible. And that was the point of the more modern "brain in the vat" thought experiment.` You do live in a simulated world, even if you aren't aware of it. That premise isn't fiction.
Do some things really matter? Does it matter if evolution happened or not? Does it matter if we have a correct understanding of what happened during creation? Does it matter if we think the world is flat or round?
I think so long as we don't fall into the trap of persecuting people like Galileo, we're probably better off.
Are you talking about scripture? Or a divine revelation?
I don't agree with the premise that scripture necessarily rules out evolution.
Divine revelation is a different story. On one hand, it could be that your divine revelation gave you the understanding you needed rather than what would be objectively true (a truth embedded in symbolism much like many of the allegories and visions).
It could be that you genuinely have a divine revelation that has reveal something not revealed to others. In that case, it hasn't necessarily been revealed to others (and perhaps that is the case for a reason).
I assume you are comparing Young Earth Creationism (YEC) to atheistic evolution, rather than Old Earth Creationism (OEC).
When we read parts of the OT literally, scripture is written in such a way that it does appear to be referring to a flat earth. This premise is used to project the position "you either believe in a FE or you reject scripture". The FE angle in many cases comes across as either Poe's law at work or a symptom of severe distrust of societal knowledge and people in general.
I think that type of skepticism and willingness to challenge established theory is a great thing in moderation. We should all have the attitude in science that any theory can be challenged and when tested and prodded objectively that only the truth will remain.
It's healthy to challenge evolution as a theory. It's healthy to challenge even the simplest concepts like the shape of the world.
Mentioning sci-fi is usually just a great icebreaker for philosophy. Most people get confused by references to philosophers and their works that they've never read. Most sci-fi is basically the fast-food version of more fulfilling philosophic thought experiments.
It can also be the case in dreams that some truths of the waking world shine through, and even stranger, to have moments of being lucid in dreams, fully aware of the dreamworld around you.
And yet people can be tricked and have misconceptions. Even those of faith, or else why would Jesus have warned about false Christs to come? We can be lulled into incorrect perceptions, and we should have the humility to realize this. We will fall and falter, but the love in our hearts guides us to the right path.
The point of thought experiments such as Plato's Allegory of the Cave is to explore the implications that what you commonly refer to as "the world" may not actually be the world. The Allegory of the Cave points to the idea of an experienced reality that is removed contextually from what is objectively true. That which is experienced would be a shadow of what is true.
When we look at cognitive science, we see that what we see as conscious experience is by its nature simulated. The gaps in that internal simulation is the reason why sensory illusions are possible. And that was the point of the more modern "brain in the vat" thought experiment.` You do live in a simulated world, even if you aren't aware of it. That premise isn't fiction.
Do some things really matter? Does it matter if evolution happened or not? Does it matter if we have a correct understanding of what happened during creation? Does it matter if we think the world is flat or round?
I think so long as we don't fall into the trap of persecuting people like Galileo, we're probably better off.
Are you talking about scripture? Or a divine revelation?
I don't agree with the premise that scripture necessarily rules out evolution.
Divine revelation is a different story. On one hand, it could be that your divine revelation gave you the understanding you needed rather than what would be objectively true (a truth embedded in symbolism much like many of the allegories and visions).
It could be that you genuinely have a divine revelation that has reveal something not revealed to others. In that case, it hasn't necessarily been revealed to others (and perhaps that is the case for a reason).
I assume you are comparing Young Earth Creationism (YEC) to atheistic evolution, rather than Old Earth Creationism (OEC).
When we read parts of the OT literally, scripture is written in such a way that it does appear to be referring to a flat earth. This premise is used to project the position "you either believe in a FE or you reject scripture". The FE angle in many cases comes across as either Poe's law at work or a symptom of severe distrust of societal knowledge and people in general.
I think that type of skepticism and willingness to challenge established theory is a great thing in moderation. We should all have the attitude in science that any theory can be challenged and when tested and prodded objectively that only the truth will remain.
It's healthy to challenge evolution as a theory. It's healthy to challenge even the simplest concepts like the shape of the world.
Mentioning sci-fi is usually just a great icebreaker for philosophy. Most people get confused by references to philosophers and their works that they've never read. Most sci-fi is basically the fast-food version of more fulfilling philosophic thought experiments.
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The mind behind the world system that we live in is Satan. Everything- education, politics, sport, entertainment, the arts, medicine, business, industry etc. is manipulated and controlled by Satan (1 John 5:19). Those things are real enough, but they will be abolished when the kingdom of God in in place. What is like the Matrix is that very few people realise that they are Satan's unwitting dupes.
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I agree with you.
For those who don't know the Bible, they don't realize these problems. For example, most Chinese think that if the United States is hostile to me, then I have to hate it back.
I like to play computer games, but when I find a problem, most of these games are based on eye for eye, I mean, the game has been difficult to get rid of these seemingly normal things, in fact, this is not normal, it reflects a wrong idea from the side, and so is most movies. The embodiment of justice has saved the world by means of violence.
Which one do you choose, red pill or blue pill?
Choose whether to continue to get used to these abnormal things, or wake up from this nightmare.
For those who don't know the Bible, they don't realize these problems. For example, most Chinese think that if the United States is hostile to me, then I have to hate it back.
I like to play computer games, but when I find a problem, most of these games are based on eye for eye, I mean, the game has been difficult to get rid of these seemingly normal things, in fact, this is not normal, it reflects a wrong idea from the side, and so is most movies. The embodiment of justice has saved the world by means of violence.
Which one do you choose, red pill or blue pill?
Choose whether to continue to get used to these abnormal things, or wake up from this nightmare.
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When i was a teenager, at this special time of the year now approaching, we would celebrate the egg shaped earth and the moon by waiting until dark to hurl eggs at cars (including the police).
Thereby reinacting Newton's discovery of the theory of gravity with momentum.
We also observed how moving objects came to an abrupt halt - upon which we young scientists demonstarted propulsion of fluids within muscles along with contraction and expantion.
Thereby reinacting Newton's discovery of the theory of gravity with momentum.
We also observed how moving objects came to an abrupt halt - upon which we young scientists demonstarted propulsion of fluids within muscles along with contraction and expantion.
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You said: "The FE angle in many cases comes across as either Poe's law at work or a symptom of severe distrust of societal knowledge and people in general."
Two points were made and three is even better.
Feel free to add this: The FE angle also takes into account that 'gravity' is only a theory and as yet, it is unproven whereby the skeptics point to credible evidence exposing the weakness of this theory that cannot be denied.
Peace and thank you for your insight
PS - there are other dimensions that we are not able to currently enter.
All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.
Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Two points were made and three is even better.
Feel free to add this: The FE angle also takes into account that 'gravity' is only a theory and as yet, it is unproven whereby the skeptics point to credible evidence exposing the weakness of this theory that cannot be denied.
Peace and thank you for your insight
PS - there are other dimensions that we are not able to currently enter.
All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.
Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
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Dreamscapes usually have their own sets of rules and logic that apply within them too. The point of considering that you might be in a simulation isn't so much about "nothing matters", it's the opposite. It's the concept that cosmological rules are subject to change, and that the rules of the current "dreamscape" that you occupy won't point you to the full truth of the waking world. There is something deeper, something that you can't discover directly in the dream you are experiencing that is the unchanging truth. One can become aware of "transcending the dream world" even if what you become aware of doesn't make sense from the perspective of the "logic" of that dream.
If we consider Peter walking on water, it was completely contrary to the "logic"/cosmology of how the world works. But by faith, one would be able to tap into that. When Peter faltered with the waves, Jesus turned to him and teased him saying "O ye of little faith".
You can navigate a dreamscape by the rules of the dreamscape, but it is also worthy to consider that there is something greater than the dream. This is all just another way of looking at the "natural" vs "supernatural" conversation.
If we consider Peter walking on water, it was completely contrary to the "logic"/cosmology of how the world works. But by faith, one would be able to tap into that. When Peter faltered with the waves, Jesus turned to him and teased him saying "O ye of little faith".
You can navigate a dreamscape by the rules of the dreamscape, but it is also worthy to consider that there is something greater than the dream. This is all just another way of looking at the "natural" vs "supernatural" conversation.
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The first scientists that ascended 80,000 feet said the earth looked flat with the edges curved upwards.
i have flown quite a few times during the day and night = no curvature can be witnessed.
The Globalists control what you are permitted to see and easily manipulate photos and film.
Thick curved glass portholes create a distortion and give the appearance of a curved earth.
Stanley Kubrik filmed the moon landing - on earth - and when he began to expose it and they killed him.
i have flown quite a few times during the day and night = no curvature can be witnessed.
The Globalists control what you are permitted to see and easily manipulate photos and film.
Thick curved glass portholes create a distortion and give the appearance of a curved earth.
Stanley Kubrik filmed the moon landing - on earth - and when he began to expose it and they killed him.
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