Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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Faith the size of a mustard seed moved the mountain of my unbelief 
Praise the Lord
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There’s no major problems with it.
whether they are the manna or not they still would have died, but it would have allowed them to survive starvation in the desert until they got where they needed to be.
I already showed you that the word “eats” in the passage is literally defined as a kind of eating without eat, hence why they will never be hungry again. Jesus basically told them they’ll have unlimited food, but what He meant, according to the passage is continual belief in Him will lead to eternal life.
whether they are the manna or not they still would have died, but it would have allowed them to survive starvation in the desert until they got where they needed to be.
I already showed you that the word “eats” in the passage is literally defined as a kind of eating without eat, hence why they will never be hungry again. Jesus basically told them they’ll have unlimited food, but what He meant, according to the passage is continual belief in Him will lead to eternal life.
It doesn’t matter if Peter knew who exactly was going to betray Jesus, but rather that someone was going to betray Jesus and Peter still didn't rescind his comment that they were all believers in Jesus as the Son of God. Even John 6:71, where Judas is called a devil, after Peter said they all believed, there's no record of Peter changing his mind.
No, why are you fighting this? I am showing you the truth.
No, why are you fighting this? I am showing you the truth.
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Good, God's work didn't make anyone believe, but rather they saw the proof and chose to believe on their own accord. Glad we agree there.
You just said God did not force anyone to believe now you're saying God brings people to faith. I think you don't understand that the choice is ultimately down to the individual.
You just said God did not force anyone to believe now you're saying God brings people to faith. I think you don't understand that the choice is ultimately down to the individual.
Peter did not know the heart of Judas. Jesus, however, did. I'll stick with what Jesus said
Matthew 19:29
29And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
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No it doesn't. Peter didn't know everyone's heart, and he only assumed that all 12 believed. But in 6:64 John included Judas in the phrase about who didn't believe.
6:64 - Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him.
Well, I'm glad you are so smart.
And Judas was an opportunist. They are slick enough to trick a lot of people. Including ol' rock-head.
Jesus wasn't critiquing what Peter said. And ol' rock-head was a loose cannon. So my "opinon" trumps yours and Peter's. lol
The only fact here is what Peter thought about Judas. iow, his opinion. Judas scammed the whole bunch of them, excluding Jesus, of course.
Your opinion is just naive.
No it doesn't. Peter didn't know everyone's heart, and he only assumed that all 12 believed. But in 6:64 John included Judas in the phrase about who didn't believe.
6:64 - Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him.
Well, I'm glad you are so smart.
And Judas was an opportunist. They are slick enough to trick a lot of people. Including ol' rock-head.
Jesus wasn't critiquing what Peter said. And ol' rock-head was a loose cannon. So my "opinon" trumps yours and Peter's. lol
The only fact here is what Peter thought about Judas. iow, his opinion. Judas scammed the whole bunch of them, excluding Jesus, of course.
Your opinion is just naive.
So there are verses that "debunk" what Jesus taught so clearly? That's just calling Jesus a LIAR. Stop it.
It may seem so to you, but Jesus debunked that idiot teaching.
1. When a person BECOMES a believer (saving faith), he/she POSSESSES ETERNAL LIFE. John 5:24
2. Jesus is the Giver of eternal life. John 10:28a
3. Jesus gives eternal life to believers. John 4:24 plus 10:28
4. Recipients of eternal life SHALL NEVER PERISH. John 10:28b
Once again, it appears you are wrong. Go ahead and try to prove any of the 4 points above to be incorrect.
If you will be honest with yourself, you will see that the 4 points are directly supported by the verses attached to the points.
It may seem so to you, but Jesus debunked that idiot teaching.
1. When a person BECOMES a believer (saving faith), he/she POSSESSES ETERNAL LIFE. John 5:24
2. Jesus is the Giver of eternal life. John 10:28a
3. Jesus gives eternal life to believers. John 4:24 plus 10:28
4. Recipients of eternal life SHALL NEVER PERISH. John 10:28b
Once again, it appears you are wrong. Go ahead and try to prove any of the 4 points above to be incorrect.
If you will be honest with yourself, you will see that the 4 points are directly supported by the verses attached to the points.
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This is a huge claim, there have been so many different pastors and preachers who have told people that if they would repeat this prayer with them they would be saved and yet you are saying all them were deceitful, not one person was saved because of that!
Wow, where is your Bible reference?
I thought your claim that unbelievers had their names written in the book of life was bizarre, but this is even bigger!
Wow, where is your Bible reference?
I thought your claim that unbelievers had their names written in the book of life was bizarre, but this is even bigger!
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What Jesus actually said what this: "the work of God is to believe". Believing is not a work. Jesus was using the same words the Jews were using.
God created humanity with a conscience to be able to judge right from wrong. And the gsopel is a trust issue, so anyone can believe.
So you think God "works" some to NOT believe???
God created humanity with a conscience to be able to judge right from wrong. And the gsopel is a trust issue, so anyone can believe.
So you think God "works" some to NOT believe???
Welcome to CC.
here’s a good start, the context continues into the next chapter. This is talking about apostasy.
Hebrews 3:12-14
12See to it, brothers, that none of you has a wicked heart of unbelief that turns away from the living God. 13But exhort one another daily, as long as it is called today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness.
14We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first.
here’s a good start, the context continues into the next chapter. This is talking about apostasy.
Hebrews 3:12-14
12See to it, brothers, that none of you has a wicked heart of unbelief that turns away from the living God. 13But exhort one another daily, as long as it is called today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness.
14We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first.
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