Chris Rosebrough—Pirate Christian or Pirate?

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presidente

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Again, I think he has a valid point on the Christology. Christians, full of the Spirit, are similar to Christ in regard to being filled with the Spirit. But ontologically we are different from the divine Logos. My understanding is that whether Eastern Orthodox or the various historical branches of western theology, if we talk about glorification or 'theosis', we aren't talking about humans becoming YHWH. We partake of the divine nature. Christ leads many sons to glory. But angelic type beings are 'glories', apparently, based on Jude... some of them at least... but they are not YHWH.

But otherwise, his main beef seemed to be that Francis Chan considers a human being filled with the Spirit not to be 'ordinary' and Rosebrough considers us to be ordinary. Chan speaks about this dramatically, and Rosebrough seems to think it necessary to think of such issues as more mundane. IMO, that is a matter of perspective and it is not fitting to attack the teaching of a brother in Christ in such a manner over a matter of perspective like that.

I would imagine if Francis Chan preached on how it was good to serve others by cooking meals for them, giving to the poor, being hospitable hosts, he would present it in an equally dramatic fashion. I don't follow him. The first time I heard of him was when he was a guest speaker at a church, and as I recall, he preached the whole sermon that way. He's actually pretty good at keeping attention, from the perspective of public speaking.
 
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Dirtman

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presidente said:
Again, I think he has a valid point on the Christology. Christians, full of the Spirit, are similar to Christ in regard to being filled with the Spirit. But ontologically we are different from the divine Logos. My understanding is that whether Eastern Orthodox or the various historical branches of western theology, if we talk about glorification or 'theosis', we aren't talking about humans becoming YHWH. We partake of the divine nature. Christ leads many sons to glory. But angelic type beings are 'glories', apparently, based on Jude... some of them at least... but they are not YHWH.

But otherwise, his main beef seemed to be that Francis Chan considers a human being filled with the Spirit not to be 'ordinary' and Rosebrough considers us to be ordinary. Chan speaks about this dramatically, and Rosebrough seems to think it necessary to think of such issues as more mundane. IMO, that is a matter of perspective and it is not fitting to attack the teaching of a brother in Christ in such a manner over a matter of perspective like that.

I would imagine if Francis Chan preached on how it was good to serve others by cooking meals for them, giving to the poor, being hospitable hosts, he would present it in an equally dramatic fashion. I don't follow him. The first time I heard of him was when he was a guest speaker at a church, and as I recall, he preached the whole sermon that way. He's actually pretty good at keeping attention, from the perspective of public speaking.
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You missed the whole point.
I dont think you bothered to listen to the video at all not Francis Chan nor Chris.
Chan's message was clear. He compares the average ordinary Christian living in his vocation to shrinking back, to living in egypt. He places extra burden on the conscience of Christians living life working a job taking care of their family. These arent good enough in Chan eyes. He also clearly stated that there is a since where we are God and man at the same time. Which is horrible. Chans message was straight awful and Chris expounded upon why.
 
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Dirtman

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Just because someone says something in an exciting way doesnt mean what they are saying is good.
 
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presidente

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Dirtman said:
You missed the whole point.
I dont think you bothered to listen to the video at all not Francis Chan nor Chris.
Chan's message was clear. He compares the average ordinary Christian living in his vocation to shrinking back, to living in egypt.
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And I think you are reading between the lines and reading that into the segment by Chan, your thinking being influenced by Rosenbrough's commentary. I listened to the portion in question without the interruptions, btw. I did not go on and listen to the rest of the video, though.
 
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presidente said:
And I think you are reading between the lines and reading that into the segment by Chan, your thinking being influenced by Rosenbrough's commentary. I listened to the portion in question without the interruptions, btw. I did not go on and listen to the rest of the video, though.
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I listened to the entire video you posted (Mr. Chan's video) and the video I posted. (The critique by Chris)
 
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