Russia/Ukraine

cv5 · Oct 13, 2022

Thats why the Bidens are there of course. But ultimately what is going on there is that Ukraine is a proxy war. It was very well known that Putin was planning a revolt against the petrodollar/British/USA/Rothschilds banking system (print confetti fiat/get real stuff). He has said exactly this in the past and again just recently. In public speeches. Over and over again.

Libya and Iraq tried the same thing and were wiped out......by NATO and the USA.

And yea......western Ukraine is crawling with hard-core Nazis. And yes, eastern Ukraine has been under attack since 2014. And yes there was a coup then. And definitely Zelensky is a coke head mega-bribed puppet riding the tiger.

And yes Putin is essentially a dictator. And yes he is taking possession of easter Ukraine and Black Sea oil rich territory.

A lot of dirty business going on there. Not many white hats.

Angela53510 · Oct 15, 2022

JohnDB said:

We have no idea what Putin has done. We have heard about him poisoning his opposition, killing his generals, And friends alike. Mass murder? Time will tell! What amazes me is how many westerners don't know what Stalin did during the Holomodor. In fact, a great number of people I have talked to have never heard of Stalin! Eastern Europe is a complete mystery to many people. I knew about the culture through my grandparents, and I knew the Holodomor, too! But since I started studying Ukrainian, a year ago, I've also been reading history books by many scholars. My dad did say that Ukraine was invaded from various directions since it was founded. Except for the Carpathian Mountains, to the south, Ukraine is a flat plain, or steppes. Invaders would sweep through, pillaging & burning their way across Ukraine. Ukrainians became fierce defenders of their country, & that is how the Cossacks were formed.

XavierJesusLovesIndia · Oct 15, 2022

Angela53510 said:

Yes, many people are not aware that Stalin was worse than even Hitler, and more broadly, that Communism was worse than Nazism. There was a US General who said: "maybe we fought the wrong enemy" when he saw the Commies were as bad or worse than the Nazis. Here is what a Soviet newspaper admitted about Stalin, that he was responsible for 20 Million Deaths: "Major Soviet Paper Says 20 Million Died As Victims of Stalin

A Soviet weekly newspaper today published the most detailed accounting of Stalin's victims yet presented to a mass audience here, indicating that about 20 million died in labor camps, forced collectivization, famine and executions."

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/...ays-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html

Part of that, as you mention, was the Holodomor: "The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомо́р, romanized: Holodomor, IPA: [ɦolodoˈmɔr];[2] derived from морити голодом, moryty holodom, 'to kill by starvation'),[a][3][4][5] also known as the Terror-Famine[6][7][8] or the Great Famine,[9] was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The Holodomor famine was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country.[10] ...
Ukraine was one of the largest grain-producing states in the USSR, and as a result was hit particularly hard by the famine.[10] Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials vary greatly.[19] A joint statement to the United Nations signed by 25 countries in 2003 declared that 7–10 million died.[20][21] However, current scholarship estimates a range significantly lower, with 3.5 to 5 million victims.[22][23][24][25][26] The famine's widespread impact on Ukraine persists to this day.[22] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by Ukraine [27] alongside 15 other countries, as a genocide against the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet regime.[28]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

cv5 · Oct 15, 2022

Angela53510 said:

Rev 14:18
And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

Rev 14:19
And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

This is what you are dealing with.....and this is their ultimate destination. There are no good guys in that cadre. The good guys repented, gave up their wicked ways, dropped everything (power, prestige, the honor of men, wealth) and followed Jesus whatever the cost.

When was the last time you heard a world leader in government or finance make a public declaration of their redemption by the blood of Jesus.....and then immediately RESIGN or be fired? Because that is what it would take.

Angela53510 · Oct 16, 2022

XavierJesusLovesIndia said:

Yes, many people are not aware that Stalin was worse than even Hitler, and more broadly, that Communism was worse than Nazism. There was a US General who said: "maybe we fought the wrong enemy" when he saw the Commies were as bad or worse than the Nazis. Here is what a Soviet newspaper admitted about Stalin, that he was responsible for 20 Million Deaths: "Major Soviet Paper Says 20 Million Died As Victims of Stalin

A Soviet weekly newspaper today published the most detailed accounting of Stalin's victims yet presented to a mass audience here, indicating that about 20 million died in labor camps, forced collectivization, famine and executions."

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/...ays-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html

Part of that, as you mention, was the Holodomor: "The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомо́р, romanized: Holodomor, IPA: [ɦolodoˈmɔr];[2] derived from морити голодом, moryty holodom, 'to kill by starvation'),[a][3][4][5] also known as the Terror-Famine[6][7][8] or the Great Famine,[9] was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The Holodomor famine was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country.[10] ...
Ukraine was one of the largest grain-producing states in the USSR, and as a result was hit particularly hard by the famine.[10] Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials vary greatly.[19] A joint statement to the United Nations signed by 25 countries in 2003 declared that 7–10 million died.[20][21] However, current scholarship estimates a range significantly lower, with 3.5 to 5 million victims.[22][23][24][25][26] The famine's widespread impact on Ukraine persists to this day.[22] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by Ukraine [27] alongside 15 other countries, as a genocide against the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet regime.[28]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

I'm reading a book called "Bloodlands: Europe from Stalin to Hitler" by Timothy Snyder. He firmly believes, Stalin taught Hitler everything he knew!

My great grandfather died in the massacres in 1937-38. Stalin did it again, and also in 1949, I read somewhere.

Thanks for the great info!

wolfwint · Oct 16, 2022

ZNP said:

Yes, this is why I think comparing these world leaders to cartels or drug lords or mafiosos is appropriate. Hitler was evil, so was Stalin, Putin is evil, so is Zelensky, so is NATO, so is Biden. Many people hated Trump because they said he sounded like a thug. The leaders are all thugs who can put up a front of being dignified and polite.

Do not forget Trump in your list.

ZNP · Oct 16, 2022

wolfwint said:

OK, every now and then you do get one of these mafiosos that doesn't want to go to war like Trump, or JFK.

In the first Godfather the reason they tried to kill him is because he didn't want to be involved with drugs. He was still a bad dude, fully understood the underworld, and made sure all those killers paid.

So I can see Trump being Michael Corleone, sitting in their little compound, being counseled by his dad, figuring out how they will be coming at him and planning how to kill them all.

XavierJesusLovesIndia · Oct 16, 2022

Another feature of Communism with its Terror-Killings is its promotion of Abortionism with its Infant-Killings. The Soviet Union was the first government in Europe to legalize abortion in 1920, shortly after the Bolshevik Revolution. Source: "The Soviet government was the first government in Europe to legalize abortion. In October 1920 the Bolsheviks made abortion legal within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic with their "Decree on Women's Healthcare". After the RSFSR the law was introduced in Ukraine (5 July 1921) and then the remainder of the Soviet Union.[3] " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Russia And so ending abortion with legislation and pro-life action is also key to fighting Communism.

Regarding Trump, I don't agree that he was bad. In just one short term, he did more than virtually any other US President to ending abortion, by appointing 3 pro-life Christian Supreme Court Justices, and some 200 pro-life federal court judges. Thanks largely to him, Roe v Wade was overturned. If he'd just had one more term, it would, legally speaking, have been all over for the abortionists and the commies/leftists etc for a generation, and they knew it. That's why they had to stop him at all costs, and spared nothing in doing so.

On the Russian-Ukraine crisis, Trump also, more recently, took a tough line on Putin, saying he would not allow him to make nuclear threats, on the Piers Morgan show.

God Bless.

ZNP · Oct 16, 2022

XavierJesusLovesIndia said:

Well do you agree with Jesus that only God is good?

Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

cv5 · Oct 16, 2022

XavierJesusLovesIndia said:

Yes, many people are not aware that Stalin was worse than even Hitler, and more broadly, that Communism was worse than Nazism. There was a US General who said: "maybe we fought the wrong enemy" when he saw the Commies were as bad or worse than the Nazis. Here is what a Soviet newspaper admitted about Stalin, that he was responsible for 20 Million Deaths: "Major Soviet Paper Says 20 Million Died As Victims of Stalin

A Soviet weekly newspaper today published the most detailed accounting of Stalin's victims yet presented to a mass audience here, indicating that about 20 million died in labor camps, forced collectivization, famine and executions."

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/...ays-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html

Part of that, as you mention, was the Holodomor: "The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомо́р, romanized: Holodomor, IPA: [ɦolodoˈmɔr];[2] derived from морити голодом, moryty holodom, 'to kill by starvation'),[a][3][4][5] also known as the Terror-Famine[6][7][8] or the Great Famine,[9] was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The Holodomor famine was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country.[10] ...
Ukraine was one of the largest grain-producing states in the USSR, and as a result was hit particularly hard by the famine.[10] Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials vary greatly.[19] A joint statement to the United Nations signed by 25 countries in 2003 declared that 7–10 million died.[20][21] However, current scholarship estimates a range significantly lower, with 3.5 to 5 million victims.[22][23][24][25][26] The famine's widespread impact on Ukraine persists to this day.[22] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by Ukraine [27] alongside 15 other countries, as a genocide against the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet regime.[28]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

"Death solves all problems - no man, no problem."

-Joseph Stalin

Do not think that such nihilism is not abundantly common at the very top of politics/government/corporations.
Include the middle and bottom as well.

No Jesus.....no life.

ZNP · Oct 16, 2022

cv5 said:

Oh, so they do have a plan on how to solve all these problems.

XavierJesusLovesIndia · Oct 16, 2022

Here is Trump praise "Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ". As the Bible says, no one can say "Jesus is Lord" without the Holy Spirit.

Hi ZNP. Well, that verse means God is All-Good, and the Source of all Goodness. It doesn't mean others cannot be good Christians, surely, otherwise the Word of God would not say in Acts 11:24: "24 He was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and faith, and a great number of people were brought to the Lord." about Barnabas. So God is All-Good, and those who follow Him well and are filled with His Spirit are meant to be good like Him to shine His glory everywhere by good works (cf. Mat 5:16: "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.")

CV5, agreed. Atheism/Godlessness and the Nihilism it leads to it's very common among lib dems, and even some godless/worldly "conservative" (in name only/or on fiscal issues only) republicans, who don't care about God and moral issues. Thankfully, however, others are strongly conservative, pro-life, pro-family, God/Christ-loving etc and I believe Trump is one of them.

The only solution to Murderous Thug Stalin and his Atheism and Nihilism etc is a deeply lived personal Faith in Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, a longing for the Kingdom of God to come, a resolution to fight evil everywhere, and work for the Triumph of God and goodness: "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Rom 12:21)

God Bless.

ZNP · Oct 16, 2022

XavierJesusLovesIndia said:

I have no issue with anyone being happy with Trump for many reasons. Economy was good, no war, appointed pro life judges, kept his promises, etc.

My only concern is that they confuse Trump with salvation. I don't see Trump bringing salvation but rather judgement.

I believe that what is happening is the fulfillment of many prophecies.

1. We are seeing a repeat of Haman's coup that was exposed by Esther and Mordecai.

2. We are seeing a fulfillment of the days of Lot, this election will prove beyond any doubt that our government is rotten to the core.

3. We are seeing the fulfillment of days of Jonah who warned the evil city of Nineveh to repent. Yes, God relented, but that was after Jesus' resurrection, it has been 40 jubilees since then and we have seen their repentance was superficial.

4. We are also seeing the fulfillment of the days of Noah. Chesvan 17 is the day of the flood, it is also Nov 11th. The election is Nov 8th. If we have 3 days of darkness after that (like those people in Sodom struck with blindness trying to find the door to rape Lot) then fire falling on the 11th would be a very nice fulfillment of the Lord's word that the next time it won't be by water but by fire.

kaylagrl · Oct 16, 2022

ZNP said:

I have no issue with anyone being happy with Trump for many reasons. Economy was good, no war, appointed pro life judges, kept his promises, etc.

My only concern is that they confuse Trump with salvation. I don't see Trump bringing salvation but rather judgement.

I believe that what is happening is the fulfillment of many prophecies.

1. We are seeing a repeat of Haman's coup that was exposed by Esther and Mordecai.

2. We are seeing a fulfillment of the days of Lot, this election will prove beyond any doubt that our government is rotten to the core.

3. We are seeing the fulfillment of days of Jonah who warned the evil city of Nineveh to repent. Yes, God relented, but that was after Jesus' resurrection, it has been 40 jubilees since then and we have seen their repentance was superficial.

4. We are also seeing the fulfillment of the days of Noah. Chesvan 17 is the day of the flood, it is also Nov 11th. The election is Nov 8th. If we have 3 days of darkness after that (like those people in Sodom struck with blindness trying to find the door to rape Lot) then fire falling on the 11th would be a very nice fulfillment of the Lord's word that the next time it won't be by water but by fire.

No one confuses Trump with salvation. But we need someone who will stand up against progressives and tie a knot in their tail. But only God knows the next move. We all may not been here for the next big election the way things are going.

ZNP · Oct 16, 2022

kaylagrl said:

No one? I have been to quite a few rallies.

kaylagrl · Oct 16, 2022

cv5 said:

Don't get it, Zelensky is Jew, how can he hold with this?!

kaylagrl · Oct 16, 2022

ZNP said:

Haven't myself, but my sister has. Are you speaking literally or in what manner do you mean?

ZNP · Oct 16, 2022

kaylagrl said:

Many who claim to be Jews are not, they are Edomites. Think of Rothschild (Red Shield), he wasn't a Jew he was an edomite and he was behind Hitler.

cv5 · Oct 16, 2022

kaylagrl said:

Massive bribes and endless piles of cocaine. And never forget...he is an actor. And he is playing his assigned role. As are most politicians.

But ultimately....he is of the "vine of the earth". Unsaved. As slave to sin and of the kingdom of darkness.

Mark 8:36

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

ZNP · Oct 16, 2022

kaylagrl said:

I mean all these people arrested on January 6th, why did they go into the capitol building? They think they are doing God's work but they simply played into the hand of the enemy. I was there Jan 6th, everyone knew that the fix was in, we were spreading the news to everyone to be extra vigilant. We knew they had removed the proud boys, we knew there was a setup and yet these naive people just walk in to the trap.

I mean that everything that is happening with Trump reminds me of Esther and Mordecai. I'm all for exposing Haman, but I'm not interested in lifting up any man.

I mean this is like the days of Lot. He was sitting in the gate, a man of authority, and he was righteous. Fine, but he didn't bring salvation to anyone, all he did was escape judgement by fire by the skin of his teeth.

I mean we have 3 examples of Christians at the end of the age.

1. Noah -- preaching righteousness, building the church, looking for salvation. Has nothing to do with this evil age.

2. Lot -- He is in the evil city, working from within and thinks he can have a positive influence. He doesn't even save his wife or son's in law.

3. Jonah -- He is in the city preaching to repent.

These are three examples for us today. I would prefer to be Noah or Jonah. If I had no choice but to be in the FBI, DOJ or Government then yes, I would want to be Lot.

The best example I can get of Trump is Jehu and there is very little about Jehu to like. He brings judgment to Jezebel, that is about it.

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