Modern Prophets

[Roughsoul1991]

Prophecy is listed within the Spiritual gifts, so what does the look like in a Biblical New Testament setting?

We recently had a Bob Hazlett come and speak to our church.

https://www.ascendministries.net/bob-hazlett

I know that demonic spirits can mimic some of the miracles of God like they did with Moses or Paul and the sorcerer. We are even told some will do great signs and wonders to possibly lead away the elect.

To test the prophet, their words must not contradict the Bible. They must have a proven track record. And ultimately, you will begin to see by their fruit.

According to my pastor, Hazlett had perfectly predicted certain specifics about them building a new church, and he hadn't mentioned that to this guy.

This guy also seemed to know that my aunt had been having family issues and predicted restoration. Her husband had an emotional affair months prior.

But much of his talk was vague and never once exposed sin, or predicted anything negative, it was all motivational, and even two people were going to get new cars. New land for the church, a new gym, a sound room to create music, and a school was proclaimed.

My greater instinct is this is a joke even though I don't know how he knew about my aunt in, less it is demonic mimicking the gift to steer people away. But yet everything He said isn't bad either it just seems to leave out the correction and reproof part.

I don't know. I started going to a charismatic church a year ago to study their interpretation and use of the gifts.

Oh a red flag to me is Hazlett has an Ascend Academy where if you pay $99 to $250 a month, you can learn how operate in the prophetic gift.

Also he has appeared on Bethal tv and done events related to Bethal and close friends to a prophet community.

I can't help but feel this to be false, so I ask how should a modern prophet operate? Should one have a whole ministry built on it?

 

[arthurfleminger]

Prophecy is listed within the Spiritual gifts, so what does the look like in a Biblical New Testament setting?

We recently had a Bob Hazlett come and speak to our church.

https://www.ascendministries.net/bob-hazlett

I know that demonic spirits can mimic some of the miracles of God like they did with Moses or Paul and the sorcerer. We are even told some will do great signs and wonders to possibly lead away the elect.

To test the prophet, their words must not contradict the Bible. They must have a proven track record. And ultimately, you will begin to see by their fruit.

According to my pastor, Hazlett had perfectly predicted certain specifics about them building a new church, and he hadn't mentioned that to this guy.

This guy also seemed to know that my aunt had been having family issues and predicted restoration. Her husband had an emotional affair months prior.

But much of his talk was vague and never once exposed sin, or predicted anything negative, it was all motivational, and even two people were going to get new cars. New land for the church, a new gym, a sound room to create music, and a school was proclaimed.

My greater instinct is this is a joke even though I don't know how he knew about my aunt in, less it is demonic mimicking the gift to steer people away. But yet everything He said isn't bad either it just seems to leave out the correction and reproof part.

I don't know. I started going to a charismatic church a year ago to study their interpretation and use of the gifts.

Oh a red flag to me is Hazlett has an Ascend Academy where if you pay $99 to $250 a month, you can learn how operate in the prophetic gift.

Also he has appeared on Bethal tv and done events related to Bethal and close friends to a prophet community.

I can't help but feel this to be false, so I ask how should a modern prophet operate? Should one have a whole ministry built on it?

Exercise extreme care: And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people. (Matthew)

There are so many false prophets who base their Christian ministry/faith on money. Give your money to us and you shall be saved. Wheeling/dealing/stealing in the Name of the Lord! Keep in mind that neither Jesus nor His disciples ever/ever/ever preached the false gospel of money!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[arthurfleminger]

The Truth About Bob Hazlett: Satan's False Prophet Exposed!
Video: The Truth About Bob Hazlett: Satan's False Prophet Exposed!

 

[Nehemiah6]

I can't help but feel this to be false, so I ask how should a modern prophet operate?

He should keep quiet and fade into the background. The need today is for evangelists, pastors, and teachers.

 

[Aaron56]

Oh a red flag to me is Hazlett has an Ascend Academy where if you pay $99 to $250 a month, you can learn how operate in the prophetic gift.

Huge red flag.

"And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give."

No one, in the will of Christ, "sells" spiritual gifts.

"When Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money. “Give me this power as well,” he said, “so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
But Peter replied, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money!"

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Huge red flag.

"And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give."

No one, in the will of Christ, "sells" spiritual gifts.

"When Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money. “Give me this power as well,” he said, “so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
But Peter replied, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money!"

Very true it is similar how Bethal has healing rooms that you pay to participate, to learn, and serve as a healer. $165 per person!!



Now below is Bob Hazlett's class,

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Didn't the Lord close out the Bible with the last verses of Revelation or was Mary Baker Eddy, Joseph Smith, and dozens of "thus sayeth the Lord" TV prophets correct?

The OP has a legitimate question.
I think this one above needs answered as well.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Do any of these prophets have the right gospel?

That's another place to start.
I used to watch CNN years ago for the conservative news portion.
When the prophesies and "words of knowledge" would come on, I watched those once in a while.
I asked myself, Would God be directing, empowering and giving special insight to the preacher who presents a false gospel that God hates? If they are sending people to hell, would God be in that?

Do fallen spirits also have special insight and know things remotely?
Yes, a lot of New Age Hindus and schizophrenics have special abilities and voices that speak to them. Do they want people to go to hell? Of course they do. What better spokesmen than the Pat Robertson's and those sitting upon gold thrones. People professing Christianity will listen to them whereas new agers listen to the gurus.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Didn't the Lord close out the Bible with the last verses of Revelation or was Mary Baker Eddy, Joseph Smith, and dozens of "thus sayeth the Lord" TV prophets correct?

The OP has a legitimate question.
I think this one above needs answered as well.

Those prophets are more open in their falsehood than the charismatic types.

For instance they do not add to the scriptures but only encourage the people of the church based on this scripture.

1 Corinthians 14:5 (ESV)
5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

So they do not look to the OT prophets to determine NT operation.

 

[Runningman]

Prophecy is listed within the Spiritual gifts, so what does the look like in a Biblical New Testament setting?

We recently had a Bob Hazlett come and speak to our church.

https://www.ascendministries.net/bob-hazlett

I know that demonic spirits can mimic some of the miracles of God like they did with Moses or Paul and the sorcerer. We are even told some will do great signs and wonders to possibly lead away the elect.

To test the prophet, their words must not contradict the Bible. They must have a proven track record. And ultimately, you will begin to see by their fruit.

According to my pastor, Hazlett had perfectly predicted certain specifics about them building a new church, and he hadn't mentioned that to this guy.

This guy also seemed to know that my aunt had been having family issues and predicted restoration. Her husband had an emotional affair months prior.

But much of his talk was vague and never once exposed sin, or predicted anything negative, it was all motivational, and even two people were going to get new cars. New land for the church, a new gym, a sound room to create music, and a school was proclaimed.

My greater instinct is this is a joke even though I don't know how he knew about my aunt in, less it is demonic mimicking the gift to steer people away. But yet everything He said isn't bad either it just seems to leave out the correction and reproof part.

I don't know. I started going to a charismatic church a year ago to study their interpretation and use of the gifts.

Oh a red flag to me is Hazlett has an Ascend Academy where if you pay $99 to $250 a month, you can learn how operate in the prophetic gift.

Also he has appeared on Bethal tv and done events related to Bethal and close friends to a prophet community.

I can't help but feel this to be false, so I ask how should a modern prophet operate? Should one have a whole ministry built on it?

The money part was a red flag to me because that’s abnormal. He might actually be a prophet, as evidenced by some of the things he said, but that doesn’t mean he’s infallible. Prophets can commit sin and still retain their gift. Think of David, Jonah, and Noah for example.

Prophets can hear from demonic spirits, too. In my opinion, it’s unlikely demons are doing miracles on his behalf unless he’s serving them in some way. They seem to require a sacrifice, an offering, or worship of some kind, kinda like how the devil asked Jesus to worship him.

Would like to know more about his ministry just out of curiosity.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Those prophets are more open in their falsehood than the charismatic types.

For instance they do not add to the scriptures but only encourage the people of the church based on this scripture.

1 Corinthians 14:5 (ESV)
5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

So they do not look to the OT prophets to determine NT operation.

True.
I mixed the obvious false prophets in to step back and look at the basic principles.
Recently there were some news programs on the net by charismatics that sounded just as ridiculous when they featured some guy I never heard of. It was as if I was listening to someone just make stuff up off the top of his head. When early church prophecy occured and Paul spoke of those gifts in I Corinthians chapter 12, he continued in context into chapter 13

"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."

The debate between charismatics and others is what is the "perfect" referring to. If it's the Bible as we see the word perfect also means complete, depending on context, then there's a problem with the tongues/ languages as well as extra Biblical revelation. That's a BIG issue considering what Revelation concludes with. They say the "perfect" is referring to a Who, which would be Jesus second coming in their interpretation. I'm not of that point of view. I believe that there were many more public miracles and foreign languages in Acts to get the gospel out to many nations as well as to establish that the the New Testament preachers were legit. The completion of the Bible had not occured or been published to the churches, so there was a special need then. I still experience miracles and know they are Biblical, but I point to what is written in the Bible rather than getting anything new from the Lord.

I consider the speaker when considering the source of anything claiming to be extra biblical. I heard a "fundamental" baptist preacher claim to go into a trance while preaching from Revelation. He said that his spirit was transported to heaven. It was bogus as was his false gospel, so I'm not picking on charismatics. I just have yet to find a legit prophet who is coming up with new prophesies yet. That includes the latest one I wasted time listening to last month.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The money part was a red flag to me because that’s abnormal. He might actually be a prophet, as evidenced by some of the things he said, but that doesn’t mean he’s infallible. Prophets can commit sin and still retain their gift. Think of David, Jonah, and Noah for example.

Prophets can hear from demonic spirits, too. In my opinion, it’s unlikely demons are doing miracles on his behalf unless he’s serving them in some way. They seem to require a sacrifice, an offering, or worship of some kind, kinda like how the devil asked Jesus to worship him.

Would like to know more about his ministry just out of curiosity.

Here is his website

https://www.ascendministries.net/bob-hazlett

What he did at our church was speak to people out of the crowd or of those who he broadly spoken to like saying if you are feeling overwhelmingly darkness please come up to the stage. Then he also spoke to them individually but the audience could hear everything. He also spoke about what he saw in store for the church and church leaders. He spoke about his books and that was about it.

As for his critics, there doesn't seem to be a while lot of info on the web. As for his history or being legitimate, idk so far all I have is what my pastor said about him and what his website says.

Not a great track record for me.

Some say a modern prophet is infallible while other say they can be fallible but the scriptures say to test the prophet.

2 Peter 1:21 ESV
For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

God can never be wrong.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

True.
I mixed the obvious false prophets in to step back and look at the basic principles.
Recently there were some news programs on the net by charismatics that sounded just as ridiculous when they featured some guy I never heard of. It was as if I was listening to someone just make stuff up off the top of his head. When early church prophecy occured and Paul spoke of those gifts in I Corinthians chapter 12, he continued in context into chapter 13

"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."

The debate between charismatics and others is what is the "perfect" referring to. If it's the Bible as we see the word perfect also means complete, depending on context, then there's a problem with the tongues/ languages as well as extra Biblical revelation. That's a BIG issue considering what Revelation concludes with. They say the "perfect" is referring to a Who, which would be Jesus second coming in their interpretation. I'm not of that point of view. I believe that there were many more public miracles and foreign languages in Acts to get the gospel out to many nations as well as to establish that the the New Testament preachers were legit. The completion of the Bible had not occured or been published to the churches, so there was a special need then. I still experience miracles and know they are Biblical, but I point to what is written in the Bible rather than getting anything new from the Lord.

I consider the speaker when considering the source of anything claiming to be extra biblical. I heard a "fundamental" baptist preacher claim to go into a trance while preaching from Revelation. He said that his spirit was transported to heaven. It was bogus as was his false gospel, so I'm not picking on charismatics. I just have yet to find a legit prophet who is coming up with new prophesies yet. That includes the latest one I wasted time listening to last month.

I agree. I really don't understand if we have everything we need in the Bible then why the extra info? To make us more successful? Prosperous?

Is the NT prophet only for encouragement and no longer to acknowledge sin in the church?

 

[Magenta]

"You will the ability to see and hear God with more clarity... "

^ That sentence does not even make sense!

 

[Nehemiah6]

Is the NT prophet only for encouragement and no longer to acknowledge sin in the church?

The ministry of prophets in the Bible was to generally honestly proclaim the sinfulness of nations, and the dire consequences which would follow. Secondarily they revealed future events in great detail because God gave them those revelations. Today's so-called self-appointed prophets are generally charlatans. Beware of false prophets!

A true prophet of God would walk up to Joseph Biden and tell him "You are an awful liar and an imposter. You must resign right now or face God's wrath!"

 

[wattie]

The thing is, what does prophecy and the word of knowledge look like exactly?

What I have seen very commonly is for the pastor or main preacher to say something like 'God is telling me that there is a lady in the congregation who is struggling with pain in their legs..'

Or someone gets a 'word of knowledge' and it has nothing really to do with the bible.. just something like, 'you are going to go out to the world and be some one who stands for the truth'

I was a charismatic as a youth, and at university saw many charismatics doing street ministry and I have looked at alot of youtube videos on charismatic services. Most of the time what people are saying to the congregation or someone else has very little to do with actual scripture.

Prophecy and the word of knowledge I would have thought would be entirely linked with scripture.

 

[jb]

...The need today is for evangelists, pastors, and teachers.

Well, that's just half the truth, the greater need is also for genuine full apostolic and prophetic ministry in the Church! 1Cor 12v28, Eph 4v11-16.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I agree. I really don't understand if we have everything we need in the Bible then why the extra info? To make us more successful? Prosperous?

Is the NT prophet only for encouragement and no longer to acknowledge sin in the church?

It's usually to make THEM more successful and prosperous.
Look at Benie Hinn, Creflo Dollar, TD Jakes, Joyce Meyer, etc ad nauseating.
All multimillionaires who proclaim works based salvations. They play off of people's hopes to get healed and hear something new. Those are a few the well known ones.
There's a recipe for financial wealth, using religious techniques to achieve their goals.
God isn't in it. The guy in the advertisement, I honestly don't know a thing about him. It does look like similar ingredients though. I'd check his gospel message first.

 

[JaumeJ]

I do not judge any, however about Joyce Mayer, she gave me some very good advice on overcoming a haabit. It was all glory to God, and I thank God for her guidance. Now, this does not mean I disbelieve what people say they know about her, but I prefer to think the best and most beautiful of her due to her free gift to all who would hear her, from the Lord I do believe, amen.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Everyone seeks the fantastic; that's how people get led astray.