Poll of polls on the longest running debate:

[Inquisitor]

If the judge declares you innocent how does the accused undo the ruling?

By ignoring the determination of the court and continuing in their wicked mindset.

Forgiveness works the same way upstairs as down stairs. Show no remorse for your former lifestyle and ignore Jesus, then eventually you forfeit your salvation.

Do not be confused on this point.

No one gets to heaven by works. You are required to walk in the Spirit and love, ignore this at your own peril.

 

[Nehemiah6]

It is interesting and also disturbing to see that almost as many posters believe that salvation can be lost as those who do not (11 vs 15). This should be of great concern since someone has been sowing the seeds of spiritual confusion and they are bearing fruit. Even the Muslims believe more consistently in their false religion.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

my friend, I got my definition from the dictionary.

even if it means to quit, How can you quit saving yourself? You can't save yourself to begin with, so you can't quit! Only God can quit the process of salvation

both Sinner and Saint find themselves equally on the mountain tops and stuck below surface level deep within the valleys. i've always been able to see what tends to separate True Believers from Luke Warm Believers are the Trials and Tribulations one faces throughout in life. i've seen good people of God end up blaming God and forfeiting their Salvation by claiming a Loving God would have never allowed this/that which they were facing. the great Billy Graham had a minister friend who went through such things and came out of it blaming God and walking away from his Calling and Ministry. it happens! people Forfeit their Belief by Blaming God and turning away from Him.

look at one of the leading Bible Scholars of today, Bart Erhman, Baptist Minister and now a professing Atheist. claims the Disciples never wrote Jesus Resurrected and basically created the Myth called Christianity. a man who led many to God and eventually did not Believe any of it was True. and today is leading Luke Warm Christians away from God. he completely Forfeited his Salvation.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I've seen good people of God end up blaming God and forfeiting their Salvation by claiming a Loving God would have never allowed this/that which they were facing.

No one "forfeits" salvation. If anyone was a candidate for forfeiting his salvation it was the apostle Peter on the night that Christ was betrayed, and he denied Christ three times. And even later when he went fishing after the resurrection instead of waiting for Christ. And then much later when Paul had to rebuke him for failing to be consistent. Then we have doubting Thomas who refused to believe that Christ had risen from the dead even though his eye-witness brethren told him in no uncertain terms. And even though Jesus had told him many times that He would rise from the dead.

SALVATION = THE GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE. And no one earns or merits that gift. It is purely a gift of the grace of God and based entirely on the perfect finished work of Christ.

SALVATION = JUSTIFICATION BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH. And justification is purely by the grace of God and based entirely on the perfect finished work of Christ.

 

[Inquisitor]

No one "forfeits" salvation. If anyone was a candidate for forfeiting his salvation it was the apostle Peter on the night that Christ was betrayed, and he denied Christ three times. And even later when he went fishing after the resurrection instead of waiting for Christ. And then much later when Paul had to rebuke him for failing to be consistent. Then we have doubting Thomas who refused to believe that Christ had risen from the dead even though his eye-witness brethren told him in no uncertain terms. And even though Jesus had told him many times that He would rise from the dead.

SALVATION = THE GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE. And no one earns or merits that gift. It is purely a gift of the grace of God and based entirely on the perfect finished work of Christ.

SALVATION = JUSTIFICATION BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH. And justification is purely by the grace of God and based entirely on the perfect finished work of Christ.

I agree.

Yet the whole concept of salvation is fundamentally based, on that BELIEVING in Jesus. Stop believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus and you are lost.

There is no question of this in the scripture.

Only those that are calling on the name of Jesus will be saved.

 

[HeIsHere]

By ignoring the determination of the court and continuing in their wicked mindset.

Forgiveness works the same way upstairs as down stairs. Show no remorse for your former lifestyle and ignore Jesus, then eventually you forfeit your salvation.

Do not be confused on this point.

No one gets to heaven by works. You are required to walk in the Spirit and love, ignore this at your own peril.

Works never saved and never will. Therefore no work can unsave. Do you know the Gospel?

Salvation is a gift.

What is the metric for losing one's salvation, how much sin does it take?

 

[HeIsHere]

I agree.

Yet the whole concept of salvation is fundamentally based, on that BELIEVING in Jesus. Stop believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus and you are lost.

There is no question of this in the scripture.

Only those that are calling on the name of Jesus will be saved.

It takes one act of faith in Jesus to saved.

It is not our faithfulness that saves, but the act of faith in Jesus for salvation that saves.

 

[HeIsHere]

No one "forfeits" salvation. If anyone was a candidate for forfeiting his salvation it was the apostle Peter on the night that Christ was betrayed, and he denied Christ three times. And even later when he went fishing after the resurrection instead of waiting for Christ. And then much later when Paul had to rebuke him for failing to be consistent. Then we have doubting Thomas who refused to believe that Christ had risen from the dead even though his eye-witness brethren told him in no uncertain terms. And even though Jesus had told him many times that He would rise from the dead.

SALVATION = THE GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE. And no one earns or merits that gift. It is purely a gift of the grace of God and based entirely on the perfect finished work of Christ.

SALVATION = JUSTIFICATION BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH. And justification is purely by the grace of God and based entirely on the perfect finished work of Christ.

Wow, some people here sure are confused about the Gospel, they see their good behaviour as meritorious.

I am actually quite shocked.

If the death and resurrection of Jesus is not sufficient to save us completely we are all doomed.

 

[Inquisitor]

Works never saved and never will. Therefore no work can unsave. Do you know the Gospel?

Salvation is a gift.

What is the metric for losing one's salvation, how much sin does it take?

I never said that sin disqualifies anyone from salvation. Everyone sins and that is a fact.

Our salvation is a gift, freely given and freely received.

This gift of salvation is not handed out to anyone and everyone, the gift is not a universal gift.

There is a qualification attached.

You cannot receive the gift unless you believe!

1 Corinthians 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

 

[Inquisitor]

It takes one act of faith in Jesus to saved.

It is not our faithfulness that saves, but the act of faith in Jesus for salvation that saves.

That faith must endure to the end of your life. If your faith (belief) in Jesus fails then you have failed to receive salvation.

Romans 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

 

[oyster67]

Sometimes Bible discussions seem like a chess game to me.

- What say you to my Queen’s gambit opening and my move into Knight F 3?
- I see your queen gambit opening and I will raise you a Sicilian defense with C5 !

It's also like a football game where everyone keeps moving the goalposts.

Most people have their minds set in concrete and will not change them. I only post for the benefit of the people looking in from outside the conversation.

 

[HeIsHere]

I never said that sin disqualifies anyone from salvation. Everyone sins and that is a fact.

Our salvation is a gift, freely given and freely received.

This gift of salvation is not handed out to anyone and everyone, the gift is not a universal gift.

There is a qualification attached.

You cannot receive the gift unless you believe!

1 Corinthians 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

Yes one has to believe in Jesus for the gift of salvation, I never stated otherwise.
A person has to believe in, trust in, what He is offering.

What He promises and gives to the believer is eternal life, nowhere does scripture speak of spiritual salvation being rescinded or withdrawn.

We cannot will our salvation, therefore we cannot un-will our salvation.

 

[HeIsHere]

That faith must endure to the end of your life. If your faith (belief) in Jesus fails then you have failed to receive salvation.

Romans 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

This verse is not future tense at the time of death.

Salvation is a singular event that occurs upon belief, one receives the gift of salvation at that moment we are declared justified.

 

[oyster67]

If anyone was a candidate for forfeiting his salvation it was the apostle Peter on the night that Christ was betrayed, and he denied Christ three times.

No. A moment of weakness does not make one a candidate for apostacy. Peter never went in the direction of hardening his heart against Jesus. Peter was not a Judas.

 

[oyster67]

What is the metric for losing one's salvation, how much sin does it take?

No amount of sin will cause loss of salvation unless one hardens their heart and refuses to repent.

 

[Inquisitor]

Yes one has to believe in Jesus for the gift of salvation, I never stated otherwise.
A person has to believe in, trust in, what He is offering.

What He promises and gives to the believer is eternal life, nowhere does scripture speak of spiritual salvation being rescinded or withdrawn.

We cannot will our salvation, therefore we cannot un-will our salvation.

Of course you agree with the primary gospel.

Your salvation is a gift and requires your belief in Jesus.

God does not withdraw that gift of salvation from anyone who believes.

Yet, if you do not endure in that belief in Jesus, then you forfeit that salvation yourself.

You must endure!

Matthew 10:22
And you will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.

 

[Inquisitor]

No amount of sin will cause loss of salvation unless one hardens their heart and refuses to repent.

The bottom line is that belief in Jesus, the death and resurrection of Jesus.

The problem with sin, is that sin is distracting and deceitful. Continue long enough in sinful behavior and you risk being deceived. So deceived, in fact, that you end up forgetting about Jesus.

Sin is deceptive!

I see the primary meaning of 'repentance' as turning from unbelief into that belief in Jesus.

Repentance in a secondary sense, is turning from all sinfulness unto godliness.

 

[Inquisitor]

This verse is not future tense at the time of death.

Salvation is a singular event that occurs upon belief, one receives the gift of salvation at that moment we are declared justified.

Do you believe that you are saved because you believe in Jesus Christ?

If so, then what happens if you no longer believe in Jesus?

This happens a lot by the way, falling away, falling into unbelief.

I know many folk who no longer believe in Jesus.

 

[oyster67]

It is not our faithfulness that saves

Is.
The just shall live by faith.

If the death and resurrection of Jesus is not sufficient to save us completely we are all doomed.

Perhaps you think that every sprinkled baby is going to heaven regardless of the direction they go later in life?
We are all doomed unless we live by faith and appreciation of what He did for us on the Cross. The just shall live by faith.

Salvation is a singular event that occurs upon belief, one receives the gift of salvation at that moment we are declared justified.

That is correct, and so is apostacy a singular event.

 

[Inquisitor]

Is.
The just shall live by faith.


Perhaps you think that every sprinkled baby is going to heaven regardless of the direction they go later in life?
We are all doomed unless we live by faith and appreciation of what He did for us on the Cross. The just shall live by faith.


That is correct, and so is apostacy a singular event.

Apostasy
1 : an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith

Stop believing in Jesus, stop calling on Jesus, stop following Jesus, you are lost.