Which is Biblical 7th Day

[Samardzija]

I agree with you, but a key difference is what divides our views..
You have removed all the laws in the OT.
I believe a law was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; Gal 3:19. This law was nailed to the cross and was our schoolmaster. Like you stated it was to bring us to Christ.

Christ is the solution to sin.
And all the laws that dealt with sin were different to the moral law that identified sin.

Jesus is the solution to sin and gives us rest from sin.
If there is no law to identify sin we don't need the solution.

I like the idea
where the law was nailed on the cross, whilst this is simplified it carries a lot of inconsistencies, for instance, is it ok to steal, commit adultery, bear false witness, not respect your parents, commit murder, etc.

in actual fact only 2 commandments have been nailed on the cross and both relate to God

 

[Grandpa]

I agree with you, but a key difference is what divides our views..
You have removed all the laws in the OT.
I believe a law was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; Gal 3:19. This law was nailed to the cross and was our schoolmaster. Like you stated it was to bring us to Christ.

Christ is the solution to sin.
And all the laws that dealt with sin were different to the moral law that identified sin.

Jesus is the solution to sin and gives us rest from sin.
If there is no law to identify sin we don't need the solution.

It wasn't A Law that was added because of transgressions, it was THE LAW that was added because of transgressions.

The Law is the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. Once we come to Christ the schoolmaster is no longer needed.

Practice is over.

If you insist that Practice is still required you reject the Work of Christ and the Gift of God.


That's sad that there are WHOLE religious denominations that insist Practice is still required.

 

[Grandpa]

I like the idea
where the law was nailed on the cross, whilst this is simplified it carries a lot of inconsistencies, for instance, is it ok to steal, commit adultery, bear false witness, not respect your parents, commit murder, etc.

in actual fact only 2 commandments have been nailed on the cross and both relate to God

Not one jot or tittle will fall from the Law until ALL is fulfilled.

The WHOLE thing was nailed to the cross.

But only those who come to Christ receive this Gift of God. The Rest that Christ gives.

What this entails was prophecied in Ezekiel;

Ezekiel 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

 

[Cameron143]

This has no validity. It is completely presumptuous.
Jesus rose on sunday (the first day of the week), but this does not prove that the sabbath day was changed.

Jesus rested on the sabbath.

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, ....
There is no way to prove this day was sunday.

Jesus died on friday. So why not claim that friday is the new sabbath?

Because He hadn't rested yet.

 

[Cameron143]

negative.

Jesus rose on sat night, after the Sabbath had ended.

the women went to the tomb sun. morning.

while Matthew can be translated in a way that points to the women going late sat. afternoon after the Sabbath had ended, the other 3 Gospels make it clear that they went sun. morning.

If He doesn't rise on Sunday He wasn't raised the 3rd day.

 

[Samardzija]

That is true, Јеsus was in three grave nights and three days is this correct, for those that claim that once we accept Christ then the law does not apply, this indicates that when we do accept Christ we sort od dont need the law as we sort of dont sin anymore, but Jesus himself said that "one that claims that is without sin is a LIAR"

 

[Cameron143]

That is true, Јеsus was in three grave nights and three days is this correct, for those that claim that once we accept Christ then the law does not apply, this indicates that when we do accept Christ we sort od dont need the law as we sort of dont sin anymore, but Jesus himself said that "one that claims that is without sin is a LIAR"

I find the question of whether the law applying simple. As far as it concerns our eternal estate it no longer condemns us and in this way we are freed from the penalty of the law. But the law of God has been written on our hearts. Why would God do that except He was wanting us to keep it.
So we are both freed from the penalty of the law and freed to keep the law where before we could not.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

That is true, Јеsus was in three grave nights and three days is this correct...
once we accept Christ then the law does not apply...

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome To Chat.
Correct, "we are Under GRACE, not under law," and with:

Christ Living In us, we Fulfil: ​

All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love thy neighbor as thyself!"
(Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided.

Grace, Peace, And JOY!...

 

[wolfwint]

Jesus kept the Sabbath holy.
The pharisees and Sadducees were not keeping it right. They were hypocrites. They made mans traditions and human standards more important then Gods laws.
God made one day holy. Not Sunday, or monday. You can kept the seventh day holy like God said or the other days of the week like man has said.

For the jews, yes. For Christians it is the ressuraction day, sunday. from the beginning of the church. Nowhere it is taught for Christians to hold the sabath rules . If I am not wrong. F.e Romans 14,5-6 shows that.

 

[awelight]

This has no validity. It is completely presumptuous.
Jesus rose on sunday (the first day of the week), but this does not prove that the sabbath day was changed.

Jesus rested on the sabbath.

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, ....
There is no way to prove this day was sunday.

Jesus died on friday. So why not claim that friday is the new sabbath?

I think you missed my point.

I did not say, that the Sabbath had been replaced, as touching Judaism but as it relates to the church or assembly that Christ is building. The Sabbath has no place, in the Christian church. Just as the feast days and various high days of the Ceremonial Laws have no place. Why? Because Jesus Christ is the all and end all of these events. They were but shadows of Him but we have no need for the shadows now. Our rest is in Jesus Christ. Lord of the Sabbath.

By the way, Jesus Christ did not die on Friday. If you compare the Gospel accounts and line them up with the Old Testament observances, in particular - The Passover Week and the Feast of Unleavened Bread - Friday will not line up. Yes, I know, this is the TRADITIONAL view but we know what the Bible says about traditions... "they make the Word of God of non-effect", (Mark 7:13).

Additionally, Jesus Christ said that He would be in the grave three days and three nights:

Mat_12:40 for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Do the math. Friday to Sunday is not three days and three nights. From Friday evening to Sunday - is only 36 hours at best.

Jesus Christ rose on the Jewish Sunday - as they reckoned days and times - which would be our Saturday at 6:00PM, as the Gentile world reckons time. Therefore, if we take Jesus at His word - three full days - then we would end up with the following.

He died on Wednesday, around 3:00PM., and they rushed to get Him down from the cross and into the Sepulcher, before a Sabbath began at 6:00PM. This was not the Saturday Sabbath or regular Sabbath but a "High Day" required during the Passover observance. This is what Leviticus reveals to us about the Passover.

In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at dusk is the LORD's Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD; seven days ye shall eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have a holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work

The feast of unleavened bread, begins right after the Passover day. Now let's start putting it together.

The Passover was on Tuesday, starting at 6:00PM and runs through Wednesday, at 6:00PM. (Jesus dies around 3M). Which then started the "High Day" of the first day, of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. There could be no servile work on this First day. This is why, they could not buy the oils and fragrances to put on Christ's body, until the following day. The first day, of the Feast of Unleavened Bread ran from Wednesday - starting at 6:00PM till Thursday at 6:00PM. (DAY ONE). Then from Thursday - at 6:00PM till Friday at 6:00PM, we have a regular day within the Feast of Unleavened Bread. A preparation day for the upcoming regular Sabbath day. (DAY TWO). The regular Sabbath begins on Friday, at 6:00PM and runs till Saturday at 6;00PM. (DAY THREE). Our Lord rises at the end of three days - Saturday... 6:01PM. If you look closely, at the Greek text, in Matthews account - you will see the truth of Christ's Resurrection born out.

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

Verse 28:1 tells us, it was near or at the end of the regular Sabbath day. So, near 6:00PM. Saturday. The KJV then says, "as it BEGAN TO DAWN toward the first day of the week". I want to drill in on this: "began to dawn". In the Greek text, the Greek words so translated, carry more the meaning: "of Light shinning towards" or "light shinning into". So what we have, in Matthew's account, is this: As the Sabbath was closing out and the last of the sun's rays were shinning into the first day of the week. Therefore, Saturday evening.

 

[awelight]

negative.

Jesus rose on sat night, after the Sabbath had ended.

the women went to the tomb sun. morning.

while Matthew can be translated in a way that points to the women going late sat. afternoon after the Sabbath had ended, the other 3 Gospels make it clear that they went sun. morning.

Makes my heart sing! Not many have seen through the Traditions of man on this point. Congrats on your personal studies and the leadership of the Spirit to give eyes that see on this matter.

You might like the post on this matter. Post #90

 

[awelight]

I have no idea where that smiley face came from in my post #90. It should have read 3:00PM. Hopefully, no one was offended by this.

 

[Samardzija]

I think you missed my point.

I did not say, that the Sabbath had been replaced, as touching Judaism but as it relates to the church or assembly that Christ is building. The Sabbath has no place, in the Christian church. Just as the feast days and various high days of the Ceremonial Laws have no place. Why? Because Jesus Christ is the all and end all of these events. They were but shadows of Him but we have no need for the shadows now. Our rest is in Jesus Christ. Lord of the Sabbath.

By the way, Jesus Christ did not die on Friday. If you compare the Gospel accounts and line them up with the Old Testament observances, in particular - The Passover Week and the Feast of Unleavened Bread - Friday will not line up. Yes, I know, this is the TRADITIONAL view but we know what the Bible says about traditions... "they make the Word of God of non-effect", (Mark 7:13).

Additionally, Jesus Christ said that He would be in the grave three days and three nights:

Mat_12:40 for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Do the math. Friday to Sunday is not three days and three nights. From Friday evening to Sunday - is only 36 hours at best.

Jesus Christ rose on the Jewish Sunday - as they reckoned days and times - which would be our Saturday at 6:00PM, as the Gentile world reckons time. Therefore, if we take Jesus at His word - three full days - then we would end up with the following.

He died on Wednesday, around 3:00PM., and they rushed to get Him down from the cross and into the Sepulcher, before a Sabbath began at 6:00PM. This was not the Saturday Sabbath or regular Sabbath but a "High Day" required during the Passover observance. This is what Leviticus reveals to us about the Passover.

In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at dusk is the LORD's Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD; seven days ye shall eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have a holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work

The feast of unleavened bread, begins right after the Passover day. Now let's start putting it together.

The Passover was on Tuesday, starting at 6:00PM and runs through Wednesday, at 6:00PM. (Jesus dies around 3M). Which then started the "High Day" of the first day, of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. There could be no servile work on this First day. This is why, they could not buy the oils and fragrances to put on Christ's body, until the following day. The first day, of the Feast of Unleavened Bread ran from Wednesday - starting at 6:00PM till Thursday at 6:00PM. (DAY ONE). Then from Thursday - at 6:00PM till Friday at 6:00PM, we have a regular day within the Feast of Unleavened Bread. A preparation day for the upcoming regular Sabbath day. (DAY TWO). The regular Sabbath begins on Friday, at 6:00PM and runs till Saturday at 6;00PM. (DAY THREE). Our Lord rises at the end of three days - Saturday... 6:01PM. If you look closely, at the Greek text, in Matthews account - you will see the truth of Christ's Resurrection born out.

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

Verse 28:1 tells us, it was near or at the end of the regular Sabbath day. So, near 6:00PM. Saturday. The KJV then says, "as it BEGAN TO DAWN toward the first day of the week". I want to drill in on this: "began to dawn". In the Greek text, the Greek words so translated, carry more the meaning: "of Light shinning towards" or "light shinning into". So what we have, in Matthew's account, is this: As the Sabbath was closing out and the last of the sun's rays were shinning into the first day of the week. Therefore, Saturday evening.

7th Day of rest does not fall under the same as Jewish festive days , reason why i say that is 7th day is one of 10 commandments, yes i know the claims that it was only for Jews but 7th day was given at creation and Adam and Eve were not Jews where they. ? If 7th day was and or is not important in New testament or after Christ then where is the biblical (clear) evidence of such claim.

 

[gb9]

7th Day of rest does not fall under the same as Jewish festive days , reason why i say that is 7th day is one of 10 commandments, yes i know the claims that it was only for Jews but 7th day was given at creation and Adam and Eve were not Jews where they. ? If 7th day was and or is not important in New testament or after Christ then where is the biblical (clear) evidence of such claim.

where is the N.T. command for gentiles to keep the Sabbath?

it is not there.

the Ten Commands were given to Israel through Moses.

they are part of the Mosaic Covenant. you can not separate them from it.

9 of the 10 were repeated in the N.T. Sabbath was not.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I have no idea where that smiley face came from in my post #90. It should have read 3:00PM. Hopefully, no one was offended by this.

Probably the "editor," as a Bible verse with these ; ) together, does this ,
so 3M was probably mistakenly done as 3 : pM together - no spaces.

No worries - Be Blessed.

 

[TMS]

they are part of the Mosaic Covenant. you can not separate them from it.

9 of the 10 were repeated in the N.T. Sabbath was not.

The 4th commandment is part of the 10, you can't seperate it from them. God spoke them all.
No where in the new testament are we asked to stop keeping the Sabbath. No where does God say the holy sanctity He put on the seventh day was changed or removed.
The sabbath was repeated in the NT. Paul worshiped on the seventh day sabbath, Jesus said the law would not be changed till all be fulfilled. And Heb 4 says there remains a rest, sabbath, for Gods people.

 

[TMS]

SO - I assume that you go to church on Saturday. Good for you. You obviously couldn't IN FAITH attend on Sunday.

I have no problem with Sunday attendance.

Problem solved.

Going to church is not the issue.
If i could, I'd go every day and worship God. Worshiping God is more then going to church.
The issue for me is obeying God.
God said "remember the sabbath day to keep it holy".
Many claim it has been changed or removed. This is the issue.. if it has I'm keeping it for no reason. If it has not been changed I'll be disobeying him.

 

[TMS]

If you insist that Practice is still required you reject the Work of Christ and the Gift of God.

The practice of the laws that were a schoolmaster in that they showed how we can be free from sin. Are no longer needed because Christ is our way to be free from sin.
If practise is not required, i can steal, murder, and take the Lords name in vain without worry. No practise mean to continue in sin that grace may abound. I practise no to be saved but because i am saved. I practise because i love the lord. I need the sacrifice because i fail.
No law = no sin = no need for a sacrifice.

 

[TMS]

I think you missed my point.

I did not say, that the Sabbath had been replaced, as touching Judaism but as it relates to the church or assembly that Christ is building. The Sabbath has no place, in the Christian church. Just as the feast days and various high days of the Ceremonial Laws have no place. Why? Because Jesus Christ is the all and end all of these events. They were but shadows of Him but we have no need for the shadows now. Our rest is in Jesus Christ. Lord of the Sabbath.

The day of His death and resurrection isn't the issue.
The fact that He rose and will cause us to rise too is more important.
Which day is the seventh? I think we all agree it is Saturday (friday sunset till Saturday sunset).
The point if we should remember the sabbath or not. Most are saying no..
I don't put the 10 commandments in with the shadow laws. Yes Jesus is our rest, but does that justify not remembering the Sabbath day. He is also the water of life, does that mean we never need to drink water.
If there is one LAW then the bible and pauls writings controdict themselves.
Also understanding the difference between keeping the law to establish your own righteousness (works). And keeping the law because Christ is working His rightousness in the heart (faith).

Heb 10:16 KJV This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Rom 3:31 KJV Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[gb9]

The 4th commandment is part of the 10, you can't seperate it from them. God spoke them all.
No where in the new testament are we asked to stop keeping the Sabbath. No where does God say the holy sanctity He put on the seventh day was changed or removed.
The sabbath was repeated in the NT. Paul worshiped on the seventh day sabbath, Jesus said the law would not be changed till all be fulfilled. And Heb 4 says there remains a rest, sabbath, for Gods people.

Paul and Jesus were jewish men, born under the Old Covenant. so, that was that.

gentiles were and are not under the Old Covenant, so Sabbath keeping was never commanded for them.