Thanks yep it helps im not sure if all post tribbers think the same way, but Ive got something to go away and think about, Its leading to a lot of questions regarding the 1000yrs already but the thread seems a little belabored already lol maybe another thread one day.
I notice you put a lot of stock in the only one resurrection of the righteous which I dont necessarily see it so black and white for example and sorry no doubt you also have probably heard all this before so also just ignore if its a well beaten dead horse.
1Co 15:23 But
every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Why have the word order which means a series or succession of things used here if there is but one timing for the resurrection of believers? I mean technically you dont believe it 100% legally at the time of the Lords return anyway, the two witnesses are resurrected then caught up into heaven 3.5yrs earlier anyway so its no drama to say also of myself at least 3.5yrs preceding the two witnesses although I wont be seen by the whole world. and it still fits the context well actually it makes the context of 1Co 15:23 that every man will be made alive in a series of events or in succession of one another and still be a part of the first resurrection meaning the resurrection of believers.
Anyway I can see why you think the way you do and you can probably see why I think the way I do, so I wont belabor it
Do yourself a favor and use the search function and find out what TheDivineWatermark has to say on this particular topic. Truly he is the master on exegeting the "first resurrection". And never....EVER....follow the lead of a post-tribber or you will end up in the weeds bro. Do you really REALLY want to know the facts on the "first resurrection". Do some homework and start below.
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https://christianchat.com/threads/h...ular-in-the-modern-church.201091/post-4641930
@DavidTree , "[re: resurrection] but EACH [a word meaning '
of more than two'] IN HIS OWN
ORDER / RANK" (meaning, there is an
ORDER / RANK to it, not that there remains only ONE at ONE SINGULAR point in time);
--"the resurrection the first [ADJECTIVE; G4413]" (Rev20:6) is
not saying "this is the first time saints are being resurrected"--
the "2W" will have been resurrected from the dead (and ascend up into Heaven)
at the "6th Trumpet [events] / 2nd Woe," at a time-slot ENTIRELY DISTINCT from when all OTHER saints will be "resurrected"--But YOUR "
post-trib rapture" viewpoint cannot account for this point.
What say you, to this??
https://christianchat.com/threads/5...ure-by-dr-john-f-walvoord.198357/post-4542961
--Jesus ascended TWICE;
--the
FIRST time was
ON FIRSTFRUIT / His Resurrection Day after He told MM "I [ACTIVE] ASCEND" (John 20:17), and told her to "GO unto my brethren and
SAY UNTO them" (Fulfilling Lev23:10-12 / 1Cor15:20; And
no one SAW Him "ascend" at THIS one; It was just "GO to my brethren and
SAY UNTO them...", i.e. VERBAL TESTIMONY *
ONLY* ! [later the text says, "[Jesus] UPBRAIDED them [the 11] with their UNBELIEF and hardness of heart, because they BELIEVED NOT them which HAD SEEN Him after He was risen"
Mk16:14 [i.e. who had TOLD them / VERBAL TESTIMONY *only*... engaging a response of "faith,"
sight-unseen, so to speak [BELIEVING the VERBAL (WORDS) TESTIMONY])
--the
SECOND time was some
"40 days" LATER, in Acts 1, which was VISIBLE (and will be how He "shall SO COME
in LIKE MANNER as ye have SEEN HIM going [/traveling] INTO Heaven"--that is, at His Rev19 "RETURN"
to the earth / "OPENLY MANIFEST" [/'MANIFESTATION of His presence' 2Th2:8
b] point-in-time, when "EVERY EYE shall SEE Him" [which is NOT the
2Th2:1 point in time,
BY CONTRAST
])
[in my view... (the pre-trib viewpoint)... this ^ PATTERN holds true (re: the "future" events)]
https://christianchat.com/threads/5...ure-by-dr-john-f-walvoord.198357/post-4541581
We've been over this lesson in many past posts:
--Verse 24 says, "
THEN [G1534 - eita] the end" (the word "cometh / comes" is not in the Greek text, here);
--
this "THEN [G1534 - eita]" word is a "SEQUENCE" word
only, with NO time-element attached (unlike
another "then" word, "then [
tote - G5119]" like is used in 2Th2:8a);
--
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/15-24.htm ;
--so *this* text is
not conveying "THEN *
immediately* the end," but rather "THEN *
sequentially* the end";
--the remainder of the context tells what must take place within that time-frame intervening ("FOR He must reign TILL...");
--and that is the EXACT "SEQUENCE" that Isaiah 24:21-22[23] shows, where the
FIRST of TWO
"PUNISH" words of that text PARALLELS the Revelation 19:19,
21 / 16:14-16 / 20:5 passage and its timing, i.e. His Second Coming
to the earth / Armageddon;
--then Isaiah 24:21-22[23]'s SECOND
"PUNISH" word of that text clearly comes after an
intervening "time-period" which is identical to the SEQUENCE issues between Rev19 & 20;
...not to mention is identical to the SEQUENCE issues in our present text, 1Cor15:
24-28;
...not to mention is identical to the Daniel 7:25,
27 text, where v.27 (
after a specific time-period in v.25 / 2nd half of trib) says, "the greatness of the kingdom
UNDER the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High" which is
also told of in v.22 "
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom"... where v.22's wording corresponds precisely with Revelation 20:
4a "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them"
--EACH of these passages
agree regarding the SEQUENCE issues
--and in Zech14:8 it says "And it shall be in that day,
that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea:
IN SUMMER AND IN WINTER SHALL IT BE." Several verses using the phrase "IN THAT DAY" indicating "a time-period" (i.e. "an era"), rather than meaning
merely "a singular 24-hr day";
...and vv.11-12 are showing a CONTRAST between those who will LIVE (and exist following all "destruction") and those who will NOT live (those who "fought against Jerusalem"--
SAME AS IN the Rev19:21 text I supplied above), where those who go on to LIVE in that time-period are given the instructions found in vv.16-19 (re: keeping the feast of Tabernacles... in Jerusalem...
"from year to year" i.e yearly)
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and
the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
This text is governed by the
"WE"... (speaking ONLY of "believers" here)
...so that, this text using the phrase
"the dead" is not speaking of "the dead [/unsaved / 'lost' from all time periods]"... this CONTEXT is speaking ONLY of the "WE" (the SAVED / BELIEVERS)
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
Death is swallowed up in victory.
As in the aforementioned paragraph I put, this text is governed by the "WE" and also (here ^ ) by the word "THIS"... "
THIS corruptible" and "
THIS mortal" (speaking only of: "the
DEAD IN Christ" [the "WE" of this wider context]; and the "we which are
ALIVE and remain" [
also the "WE" of this wider context]--meaning, NONE of the "UNsaved / UNbelievers / LOST" are being spoken of in THIS CONTEXT)
. Somebody needs to check into the Spiritual ER ASAP.