Did Jesus Forgive Us All Our Sins; Past/Present/Future

[Chester]

I searched the entire thread here to see if anyone posted any Scriptural proof for the idea that the believer's future sins are already forgiven before he commits them. It is interesting that I did not even find any attempt from anyone to prove that idea from Scripture. And I suppose for good reason, as no such Scripture can be found.

The blood of Christ is available to cover/forgive all sins; that is - all who believe in Jesus Christ are covered by the cleansing of the blood of the Lamb. When you are born again, every past sin you committed is forgiven because of/through your faith in Jesus Christ. He paid the complete price for sin, and when you trust in Him, that ransom price brings 100% forgiveness for all past sins.

And not only that, but when you live by faith in Jesus Christ, the blood of Christ continues to ongoingly cleanse/forgive you from each and every sin you commit. At the very moment you sin, you are forgiven because of Jesus Christ.

But the idea that when one is born again all one's future sins are forgiven: that idea is not found in the Scriptures.

 

[ResidentAlien]

What scripture are you basing your statement "If salvation is by faith"?

Eph 2:8 says for by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves. The faith in this scripture is not mankind's faith, but is the faithfulness of Jesus going to the cross. We are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ (Gal 2:16).

Christ's death on the cross remitted the sins of all of those that God gave him, and no sin that they may commit will keep them from their eternal inheritance in heaven.

I suspect that no matter what I say you'll find fault with it. I know when to fold 'em. Later.

 

[persistent]

Either it is written under inspiration or not. As I read and meditate on the books Solomon wrote they appear God-breathed to me.
There are no sinless authors of scripture. Do you trust the Psalms of David. He was an adulterer and murderer.
Do you trust the books written by Moses? He too was a murderer.

Yes I do. Thnx for your 1st post too and when I saw it I did a search and found 2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: which is just as you say but something went awry when I posted it on your post. It printed in wrong place.

 

[PennEd]

I searched the entire thread here to see if anyone posted any Scriptural proof for the idea that the believer's future sins are already forgiven before he commits them.

Hey Chester. Long time no speak! Hope you are well.

First, I'd reiterate, that ALL of your sins were yet future when Jesus hung on the cross. His Blood removed ALL of your future sins.

But if that is a too cryptic for you, here is some Scripture that you have asked for:


1 John 2

New King James Version

2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

John's are basically FAMILY epistles. Written to God's children. John even addresses them as such. They are intended to teach the family how they are to conduct themselves. So John is saying don't sin, BUT if any of you CHILDREN (brethren) DO sin, (YET FUTURE) we have an advocate with Jesus who says to His Father, I paid that debt.


There is no other way to render that text.

 

[Cameron143]

I searched the entire thread here to see if anyone posted any Scriptural proof for the idea that the believer's future sins are already forgiven before he commits them. It is interesting that I did not even find any attempt from anyone to prove that idea from Scripture. And I suppose for good reason, as no such Scripture can be found.

The blood of Christ is available to cover/forgive all sins; that is - all who believe in Jesus Christ are covered by the cleansing of the blood of the Lamb. When you are born again, every past sin you committed is forgiven because of/through your faith in Jesus Christ. He paid the complete price for sin, and when you trust in Him, that ransom price brings 100% forgiveness for all past sins.

And not only that, but when you live by faith in Jesus Christ, the blood of Christ continues to ongoingly cleanse/forgive you from each and every sin you commit. At the very moment you sin, you are forgiven because of Jesus Christ.

But the idea that when one is born again all one's future sins are forgiven: that idea is not found in the Scriptures.

You make

Yes I do. Thnx for your 1st post too and when I saw it I did a search and found 2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: which is just as you say but something went awry when I posted it on your post. It printed in wrong place.

You are always welcome. And I probably was the one who messed up the post.

 

[Magenta]

But the idea that when one is born again all one's future sins are forgiven: that idea is not found in the Scriptures.

Does that mean you believe forgiveness is only partial, and when
you sin after being born again/saved, you lose your salvation?

Romans 8:38-39 + Psalm 91:11

 

[Dino246]

What jesus thaught applies to everyone!!!
The Great Commission
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Peace!
JF

No need to yell.

Acts 15.

Galatians 2 and 3.

Romans 13:9

Hebrews 8:7-13.

 

[No_One_Special]

Something that I find interesting, and it may just be me, is that Jesus spoke way more about "doing" things than he did about "not doing" things. He is less concerned with "did we follow a rule" than he is about what's in our heart. He wants us to be actively doing things for him and bring his message to others, and not isolating ourselves to make sure we didn't commit a sin.

Honestly, I don't spend any of my time thinking about sin. I focus my efforts on being loving, kind, charitable, and helpful. And I do this not because I think that I will earn my way to heaven, I do it because I know that's who God wants me to be. And, if you spend your time being an active Christian, doing what Jesus has asked us to do, loving God and loving each other, I find you really don't have a lot of time to commit sins.

 

[Chester]

Does that mean you believe forgiveness is only partial, and when
you sin after being born again/saved, you lose your salvation?

Romans 8:38-39 + Psalm 91:11

No, Magenta, I do not believe that when one sins after being born again, that one's salvation is lost. That is not even close to what I believe.

If you look carefully at my previous post you will see I said that "at the very moment you sin, you are forgiven because of Jesus Christ." So forgiveness is not "partial". You are forgiven completely 100% without reserve when you sin because your faith is in the atoning work of Jesus Christ.

So when my faith is in Jesus Christ:
If I tell a lie, I am forgiven . . .
If I tell another lie, I am forgiven . . .
If I tell another lie, I am forgiven . . .
And so on . . . there is no end or bound to the forgiveness of the atoning blood of Jesus Christ

There are some "non-OSAS" people that teach that your sins are forgiven only after you make a verbal confession. That method really makes forgiveness dependent upon my response in saying the right words to God. That makes no sense to me.

I think that when a person is believing in Jesus Christ the blood of Jesus covers every sin they commit immediately and completely without reserve.

But what I do not believe that when a person at a point in time is born again that immediately all their future sins are forgiven. There is no Scripture that says that.

Yes, of course, Jesus paid the price for all sin and all sin can and is forgiven for the one who trusts in the Lamb of God. But no one is forgiven for something that has not yet happened. No Scripture says that.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Something that I find interesting, and it may just be me, is that Jesus spoke way more about "doing" things than he did about "not doing" things. He is less concerned with "did we follow a rule" than he is about what's in our heart. He wants us to be actively doing things for him and bring his message to others, and not isolating ourselves to make sure we didn't commit a sin.

Honestly, I don't spend any of my time thinking about sin. I focus my efforts on being loving, kind, charitable, and helpful. And I do this not because I think that I will earn my way to heaven, I do it because I know that's who God wants me to be. And, if you spend your time being an active Christian, doing what Jesus has asked us to do, loving God and loving each other, I find you really don't have a lot of time to commit sins.

I hear what you're saying; it sounds like you have the Spirit of the Lord for sure. However, I'm not exactly sure I agree with you that He didn't say much about not doing things. I haven't done a verse-by-verse analysis, but I can recall many scriptures where He warned about not doing things. But I do agree that His teachings went beyond "following the rules."

If we look at the whole New Testament, there's a lot about not doing things, not sinning; that has to be considered as well. To me a balanced approach seems best: doing and not doing.

 

[Chester]

Hey Chester. Long time no speak! Hope you are well.

First, I'd reiterate, that ALL of your sins were yet future when Jesus hung on the cross. His Blood removed ALL of your future sins.

But if that is a too cryptic for you, here is some Scripture that you have asked for:


1 John 2

New King James Version

2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

John's are basically FAMILY epistles. Written to God's children. John even addresses them as such. They are intended to teach the family how they are to conduct themselves. So John is saying don't sin, BUT if any of you CHILDREN (brethren) DO sin, (YET FUTURE) we have an advocate with Jesus who says to His Father, I paid that debt.


There is no other way to render that text.

Ah, yes hello! Penned - Hope you are doing well - I love you and your attitude and approach to life . . .

Of course - here we disagree - but that is OK -

Of course, all my sins were yet future when Jesus died - but my sins did not need forgiven when I had not committed any yet. When one has not sinned, he needs no forgiveness.

I don't see how you get out of I John 2:1,2 that your future sins are already forgiven?? You wrote: "BUT if any of you CHILDREN (brethren) DO sin, (YET FUTURE) we have an advocate with Jesus who says to His Father, I paid that debt." You inserted the "yet future" into the text. All it actually says it that when you do sin, at that moment in time is when you have Jesus as your advocate. Thus you are forgiven. The price was paid 2000 years ago, so that when you sin today, you can be forgiven.
BUT if any of you CHILDREN (brethren) DO sin, (YET FUTURE) we have an advocate with Jesus who says to His Father, I paid that debt.

But when I sin (and sometimes I do - unfortunately ) then I am forgiven because I am believing in Jesus Christ - and that sacrifice 2000 years ago I find completely adequate to find cleansing from each and every sin I commit. Never is any sin the believer commits written down on their account. It is forgiven because of the blood of the Lamb.

See also # 69 above for more explanation.

 

[No_One_Special]

I hear what you're saying; it sounds like you have the Spirit of the Lord for sure. However, I'm not exactly sure I agree with you that He didn't say much about not doing things. I haven't done a verse-by-verse analysis, but I can recall many scriptures where He warned about not doing things. But I do agree that His teachings went beyond "following the rules."

If we look at the whole New Testament, there's a lot about not doing things, not sinning; that has to be considered as well. To me a balanced approach seems best: doing and not doing.

I counted it once, no real reason, I was just curious. I think it was almost two to one where Jesus talked about doing and less about not doing. And I'm not saying to ignore the parts where he says to not do something but I do find it interesting where his emphasis was. I guess the way I look at it is that he wasn't just about following the rule, he was about changing your heart. And, once you change your heart, the rule following is kind of going to happen naturally, to an extent. Not that you can ignore sin totally, but you get what I mean.

 

[Magenta]

No, Magenta, I do not believe that when one sins after being born again, that one's salvation is lost. That is not even close to what I believe.

If you look carefully at my previous post you will see I said that "at the very moment you sin, you are forgiven because of Jesus Christ." So forgiveness is not "partial". You are forgiven completely 100% without reserve when you sin because your faith is in the atoning work of Jesus Christ.

So when my faith is in Jesus Christ:
If I tell a lie, I am forgiven . . .
If I tell another lie, I am forgiven . . .
If I tell another lie, I am forgiven . . .
And so on . . . there is no end or bound to the forgiveness of the atoning blood of Jesus Christ

There are some "non-OSAS" people that teach that your sins are forgiven only after you make a verbal confession. That method really makes forgiveness dependent upon my response in saying the right words to God. That makes no sense to me.

I think that when a person is believing in Jesus Christ the blood of Jesus covers every sin they commit immediately and completely without reserve.

But what I do not believe that when a person at a point in time is born again that immediately all their future sins are forgiven. There is no Scripture that says that.

Yes, of course, Jesus paid the price for all sin and all sin can and is forgiven for the one who trusts in the Lamb of God. But no one is forgiven for something that has not yet happened. No Scripture says that.

Your thoughts are kind of all over the place on this one. On the one hand you say, no future sins are forgiven, and yet the
moment one sins after being born again those sins are forgiven. Jesus said, "It is finished." You seem to be saying it is not.

But the idea that when one is born again all one's future sins are forgiven: that idea is not found in the Scriptures.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I guess the way I look at it is that he wasn't just about following the rule, he was about changing your heart. And, once you change your heart, the rule following is kind of going to happen naturally, to an extent.

True

 

[Magenta]

But the idea that when one is born again all one's future sins are forgiven: that idea is not found in the Scriptures.

Colossians 2:13-14

 

[BillG]

I don't think so Arthur. Who has said that? Perhaps you misunderstand what people are saying. We have had or perhaps still have, some who think they live in sinless perfection. That, is not biblical either but it does not seem you are saying that

Alas the said person has no interest in trying to understand what the person is trying to convey.

He shoots from the hip and makes slanderous statements.

See post 15.
It's typical

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I find it interesting that you say this when I've said repeatedly it's not by works but faith. Where do you get that I said anything about works?

When you claim that AFTER we are savbed. We must do something to MAINTAIN that salvation. or it can be lost. you are preaching works.

Your trying to earn a gift by doing whatever it is to keep from losing your salvation

 

[ResidentAlien]

When you claim that AFTER we are savbed. We must do something to MAINTAIN that salvation. or it can be lost. you are preaching works.

Your trying to earn a gift by doing whatever it is to keep from losing your salvation

You don't get it. That's okay, teaching you isn't my job, thankfully.

 

[Runningman]

So, what did Paul mean in that a "sinful nature' will reap destruction"? What type of destruction is he speaking of?

If Jesus forgave us all our sins, why did Paul caution us?

Paul made it abundantly clear that sin has consequences: “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows” (Galatians 6:7). Paul then describes the end of those who indulge in sinful behavior: “The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction” (Galatians 6:8).

Look at the full verse.

Galatians 6:8
8The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

It means that those who aren’t saved will be destroyed and not reap eternal life. They’ll have eternal death instead.

 

[Runningman]

Did Jesus Forgive Us All Our Sins; Past/Present/Future

Hebrews 10:15-18
15The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”
17Then he adds: “Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”
18And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.