"The rich man And Lazarus..."

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Why do you persist in these silly questions?

I've NEVER EVER said anything about "dead souls" and reject the idea that a soul will die. So you may stop trying to put words into my mouth.

And I NEVER EVER said there are dead bodies in Hades rather than the grave.

You just wrote to me Matthew 10's hell is Hades not the lake of fire.

The Greek word is Hades. That is NOT the LOF.

You just wrote to me that God will destroy both soul and body in Hades

You REALLY DO have a reading problem. I SAID I NEVER EVER said that God WILL do that.

In fact, there are NO verses that say that God will.

Does that not mean dead bodies are going to Hades?

Bad question. Read my responses and reply properly about what I believe and post.

Does hell have a double meaning there? Or are you just double minded. 🤣

Hell does not have a double meaning, and your second question is stupid.

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

One more time, do you think that "able to" means "will"?

Why won't you answer my question?

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:

Do you think that the bodies and souls won't be united?

I think what the Bible says. Read Ezekiel 37:1-14

You haven't convinced me yet.

If the souls of men are alive after death there is no reason to breathe into the flesh of those men.

<sigh>

"the flesh" refers to the BODY. God breathed into the physical body of Adam the breath of life in Gen 2:7.

There is no verse that describes breathing into the soul.

Why do you think there is?

 

[Runningman]

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It's a waste of your time trying to gaslight me. I'm not listening to you. In
my opinion your kind are no different than the Serpent who told Eve; "You
shall not die".
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I agree with God when He said “ you will die.” You seem confused about what I believe. Aren’t you the one agreeing with the serpent though? You’ve spent a considerable amount of time saying people will be alive in hell.

 

[Runningman]

Your opinion is so biased you have no idea. When John used the specific time frame of "day and night" and then "for ever and ever" he surely WAS being quite literal. But that goes against your opinions, so you just reject it.


When "day and night" are included, it IS literal, obviously.

Nonsense. I agree with the Bible. You’re the one at odds with it.

 

[posthuman]

You mean like this?

“And there is no spiritual or moral lesson for any living person to follow in the account of Laz and the rich man”
-FreeGrace2

Comment #405

If you had been reading the long line of context, you would have understood this better.

PeacefulWarrior was being rhetorical.

An individual from your crowd is the problem; own it.

i wasn't aware i have a "crowd"

?

 

[FreeGrace2]

I agree with God when He said “ you will die.”

Everybody agrees that God said that.

You seem confused about what I believe.

You seem confused about what God meant. I explained it. The phrase in the original is "in the day that you eat of it, DYING, you shall die.

There are 2 deaths there. The first one is the relatively long process of death by aging. The second one is the IMMEDIATE separation from God due to sin. That is spiritual death.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Your opinion is so biased you have no idea. When John used the specific time frame of "day and night" and then "for ever and ever" he surely WAS being quite literal. But that goes against your opinions, so you just reject it.


When "day and night" are included, it IS literal, obviously.

Nonsense. I agree with the Bible. You’re the one at odds with it.

I agree with the Bible and disagree with your souls ceasing to exist idea.

You have NO proof that souls will cease to exist in the LOF. The Bible says the punishment will be eternal. If souls cease to exist, that means they aren't there any more. Nothing to experience, such as punishment.

Your idea of "eternal punishment" is to exist no longer. As if that is even a punishment. It CAN'T be if you ain't there to be punished.

Atheists are counting on ceasing to exist when they die. They deny the existence of God, and any kind of afterlife.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Runningman said:
You mean like this?

“And there is no spiritual or moral lesson for any living person to follow in the account of Laz and the rich man”
-FreeGrace2

Comment #405

If you had been reading the long line of context, you would have understood this better.

PeacefulWarrior was being rhetorical.

An individual from your crowd is the problem; own it.

i wasn't aware i have a "crowd"
?

One of runner's problems is that he doesn't know HOW to answer the question about what his so-called "parable" about Laz and the rich man teaches as either a spiritual or moral lesson. He's been asked often enough.

 

[Runningman]

FreeGrace2 said:
Your opinion is so biased you have no idea. When John used the specific time frame of "day and night" and then "for ever and ever" he surely WAS being quite literal. But that goes against your opinions, so you just reject it.


When "day and night" are included, it IS literal, obviously.

I agree with the Bible and disagree with your souls ceasing to exist idea.

You have NO proof that souls will cease to exist in the LOF. The Bible says the punishment will be eternal. If souls cease to exist, that means they aren't there any more. Nothing to experience, such as punishment.

Your idea of "eternal punishment" is to exist no longer. As if that is even a punishment. It CAN'T be if you ain't there to be punished.

Atheists are counting on ceasing to exist when they die. They deny the existence of God, and any kind of afterlife.

My view of punishment is death because that’s what the Bible says from Genesis to Revelation. You’re missing the forest for a single tree by focusing on a single verse that applies to three persons.

 

[Jackson123]

That's what ECTers say. They talk as if the soul of man is inherently immortal against the very words of Scripture.

It is not against the scripture

unsaved will be go to hell forever

matt 25:46

 

[Magenta]

It is not against the scripture

unsaved will be go to hell forever

matt 25:46

Immortality is put on by grace through in the shed righteous blood of Jesus. <- Christianity 101.

1 Timothy 6:16
New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom
no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

New Living Translation
He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him.
No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will. All honor and power to him forever! Amen.

English Standard Version
who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no
one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

Berean Standard Bible
He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seen
Him, nor can anyone see Him. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Berean Literal Bible
alone having immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no one of
men has seen nor is able to see, to whom be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

King James Bible
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;
whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

New King James Version
who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no
man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

New American Standard Bible
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom
no one has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

NASB 1995
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom
no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

NASB 1977
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light; whom
no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Amplified Bible
He alone possesses immortality [absolute exemption from death] and lives in unapproachable light,
whom no man has ever seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal power and dominion! Amen.

Christian Standard Bible
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom
no one has seen or can see, to him be honor and eternal power. Amen.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
the only One who has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; no one
has seen or can see Him, to Him be honor and eternal might. Amen.

American Standard Version
who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no
man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
He who alone is uncorrupted and dwelling in light that a human cannot approach and which none of the
children of men has seen, nor can see, to whom be honor and authority to the eternity of eternities. Amen.

Contemporary English Version
Only God lives forever! And he lives in light that no one can come near. No human has ever
seen God or ever can see him. God will be honored, and his power will last forever. Amen.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Who only hath immortality, and inhabiteth light inaccessible, whom no man
hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and empire everlasting. Amen.

Good News Translation
He alone is immortal; he lives in the light that no one can approach. No one has
ever seen him; no one can ever see him. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen.

International Standard Version
He alone has endless life and lives in inaccessible light. No one has ever seen him,
nor can anyone see him. Honor and eternal power belong to him! Amen.

Literal Standard Version
having immortality alone, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no one
of men saw, nor is able to see, to whom [is] honor and perpetual might! Amen.

New American Bible
who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, and whom
no human being has seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal power. Amen.

NET Bible
He alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human
has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen.

New Revised Standard Version
It is he alone who has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom
no one has ever seen or can see; to him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

New Heart English Bible
who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no
human has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen.

Weymouth New Testament
who alone possesses immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, and whom
no man has seen or can see. To Him be eternal honour and power! Amen.

World English Bible
who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no
man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen.

Young's Literal Translation
who only is having immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable, whom no one
of men did see, nor is able to see, to whom is honour and might age-during! Amen.

 

[Runningman]

It is not against the scripture

unsaved will be go to hell forever

matt 25:46

Hell will be cast into the lake of fire where it will be destroyed so no one will be in hell forever. Amazing how pervasive your false doctrine is.

Fortunately you’re in a minority of people who can’t understand otherwise.

Most people seem to be quite open to the word of God once they’re shown what it says since the majority of church-goers seem to be quite ignorant of the Bible. You don’t have that excuse.

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

I don't care. It says "able to", not WILL.

You need to read more slowly.

So you believe dead bodies had the "possibility" of being thrown into Hades with their alive souls?

 

[Magenta]

Immortality is put on by grace through in the shed righteous blood of Jesus. <- Christianity 101.

Immortality is put on by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus. <- Christianity 101.

@Jackson123

 

[Jackson123]

Immortality is put on by grace through in the shed righteous blood of Jesus. <- Christianity 101.

1 Timothy 6:16
New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom
no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

New Living Translation
He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him.
No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will. All honor and power to him forever! Amen.

English Standard Version
who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no
one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

Berean Standard Bible
He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seen
Him, nor can anyone see Him. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Berean Literal Bible
alone having immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no one of
men has seen nor is able to see, to whom be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

King James Bible
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;
whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

New King James Version
who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no
man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

New American Standard Bible
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom
no one has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

NASB 1995
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom
no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

NASB 1977
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light; whom
no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Amplified Bible
He alone possesses immortality [absolute exemption from death] and lives in unapproachable light,
whom no man has ever seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal power and dominion! Amen.

Christian Standard Bible
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom
no one has seen or can see, to him be honor and eternal power. Amen.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
the only One who has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; no one
has seen or can see Him, to Him be honor and eternal might. Amen.

American Standard Version
who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no
man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
He who alone is uncorrupted and dwelling in light that a human cannot approach and which none of the
children of men has seen, nor can see, to whom be honor and authority to the eternity of eternities. Amen.

Contemporary English Version
Only God lives forever! And he lives in light that no one can come near. No human has ever
seen God or ever can see him. God will be honored, and his power will last forever. Amen.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Who only hath immortality, and inhabiteth light inaccessible, whom no man
hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and empire everlasting. Amen.

Good News Translation
He alone is immortal; he lives in the light that no one can approach. No one has
ever seen him; no one can ever see him. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen.

International Standard Version
He alone has endless life and lives in inaccessible light. No one has ever seen him,
nor can anyone see him. Honor and eternal power belong to him! Amen.

Literal Standard Version
having immortality alone, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no one
of men saw, nor is able to see, to whom [is] honor and perpetual might! Amen.

New American Bible
who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, and whom
no human being has seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal power. Amen.

NET Bible
He alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human
has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen.

New Revised Standard Version
It is he alone who has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom
no one has ever seen or can see; to him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

New Heart English Bible
who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no
human has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen.

Weymouth New Testament
who alone possesses immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, and whom
no man has seen or can see. To Him be eternal honour and power! Amen.

World English Bible
who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no
man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen.

Young's Literal Translation
who only is having immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable, whom no one
of men did see, nor is able to see, to whom is honour and might age-during! Amen.

Who is He, the immortal one

 

[Runningman]

So you believe dead bodies had the "possibility" of being thrown into Hades with their alive souls?

The fact that God is able to means that it isn’t an idle threat. We’re supposed to fear God for that very reason. If God won’t do it then there’s nothing to fear.

God will destroy soul and body and hell because that’s simply the alternative to living forever. That’s why Jesus said anything about it at all. It’s also why it’s repeated again and again in the NT by the various writers.

Matthew 10:28
28Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[Jackson123]

Hell will be cast into the lake of fire where it will be destroyed so no one will be in hell forever. Amazing how pervasive your false doctrine is.

Fortunately you’re in a minority of people who can’t understand otherwise.

Most people seem to be quite open to the word of God once they’re shown what it says since the majority of church-goers seem to be quite ignorant of the Bible. You don’t have that excuse.

Destroy do not mean cease to exist
matt 25:46 say eternal punishment, mean in hell forever

10 years in prison mean 10 years stay on prison

eternal punishment in hell mean stay in hell forever, not cease to exist
you can not put non existing entity in to prison

 

[Runningman]

Destroy do not mean cease to exist
matt 25:46 say eternal punishment, mean in hell forever

10 years in prison mean 10 years stay on prison

eternal punishment in hell mean stay in hell forever, not cease to exist
you can not put non existing entity in to prison

So destroy isn’t destroy and death isn’t death for you. Got it. I’ll just stick with what the Bible and reality says.

 

[Jackson123]

So destroy isn’t destroy and death isn’t death for you. Got it. I’ll just stick with what the Bible and reality says.

not always

Definition of destroy

transitive verb
1: to ruin the structure, organic existence, or condition ofdestroyed the filesalso : to ruin as if by tearing to shreds their reputation was destroyeda disease that destroys the body's ability to fight off illness … destroyed any hope of a return to past crackdowns … — George Brock
2a: to put out of existence : KILLdestroy an injured horse
b: NEUTRALIZEthe moon destroys the light of the stars
c: ANNIHILATE, VANQUISHarmies had been crippled but not destroyed— W. L. Shirer
intransitive verb
: to cause ruin or destructionit is proverbially easier to destroy than to construct— T. S. Eliot

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

<sigh>

"the flesh" refers to the BODY. God breathed into the physical body of Adam the breath of life in Gen 2:7.

There is no verse that describes breathing into the soul.

Why do you think there is?

What's the breath of life?