Anti-vaxxers are people too?

[HealthAndHappiness]

Like talking to a wall.

The vaccine DOESN’T work! So even ONE death from it is too many for that reason.

Why can’t your brain understand that simple fact?

Also, most of the deaths attributed to Covid are from people who died WITH Covid, NOT from Covid.

Here's some coverage on a medical journal report. This is from a journal that promoted the propaganda that deceived many into getting the shots.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/worl...-says-covid-19-could-have-come-from-lab-leak/

 

[Billyd]

The original covid19 vaccine prevented the original covid19. By the summer of 2021, the original covid19 had all but dissipated. Unfortunately the original had been replaced by a new variant. The experts thought the obsolete vaccines would prevent it. They didn't. Fortunately the new variant was bad, but not as deadly as the original. Meanwhile a new variant appears. The experts knew that the old vaccines would not prevent it, so enter a new vaccine. By the time it reaches the public, the new variants are on the down swing, and we know that they are very mild. The new vaccine is, for the most part, obsolete. Given the rapidity of transmission of the latest variant, and the virility of it, unless you are severely compromised, and you have not had this version, you don't need a vaccination.

In any case, if you are concerned, consult your physician, not the conspiracy theory hot lines.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

The original covid19 vaccine prevented the original covid19. By the summer of 2021, the original covid19 had all but dissipated. Unfortunately the original had been replaced by a new variant. The experts thought the obsolete vaccines would prevent it. They didn't. Fortunately the new variant was bad, but not as deadly as the original. Meanwhile a new variant appears. The experts knew that the old vaccines would not prevent it, so enter a new vaccine. By the time it reaches the public, the new variants are on the down swing, and we know that they are very mild. The new vaccine is, for the most part, obsolete. Given the rapidity of transmission of the latest variant, and the virility of it, unless you are severely compromised, and you have not had this version, you don't need a vaccination.

In any case, if you are concerned, consult your physician, not the conspiracy theory hot lines.

I've consulted physicians with a thousand times more credibility than Dr Anthony Fauci.
I've posted a couple of them for the benefit of others.

 

[iamsoandso]

If a certain cyanide compound will cause death within a minute of its exposure to the skin --- should we "become the Borg" (Star Trek reference) in the attempt to prevent any human from dying from it?

zero . six eight seconds is a really long time to some...

 

[wolfwint]

OK, what has Germany published concerning the effects on people 5-20 years after being vaccinated? What are the long term effects?

You claimed the vaccine is many times better than not being vaccinated. Where is your proof to this claim.

Particularly for a kid who is 10 years old.

Also I want to know how it is many times better for the professional athlete who was extremely healthy, had little to no risk from Covid and yet was forced to get vaccinated or lose his job and then died from myocarditis or can no longer compete because of their adverse reaction to the vaccine. How is it "many times better" for that person?

Nobody knows the long term effects. That is clear.
What a Volk would say to an government which would told them

Wolfwint,

Did you happen to have a chance to listen to this broadcast? This is the situation in all of the hospitals across the nation.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/medi...xers-targeted-for-death-by-remdesivir-poison/

Sorry, the informations from infowars are in my eyes not trustful. They are known for not serious Informations, but spreading conspiracy theories and fake news.

 

[ZNP]

Nobody knows the long term effects. That is clear.
What a Volk would say to an government which would told them

Then how can you possibly say that more people have died from Covid than the Vaccine, you don't know the long term effects? How can you possibly say the vaccine is far better than not being vaccinated you don't know the long term effects! How can you call us conspiracy theorists for asking questions and rejecting a Vaccine mandate, you don't know the long term effects!

What an outrage that a person would pretend to be some kind of medical authority telling people the vaccine is safe, it is better than not being vaccinated when you have no proof of that!

 

[PennEd]

Humans have an innate ability to forget and move on. This can sometimes be a good thing. It's not healthy to dwell on the past.

But we can't forget some things. Especially as this incredible crime has only just began to unfold:

https://media.livecast365.com/highwire/thehighwire/content/1663272425814.mp4

 

[ZNP]

Humans have an innate ability to forget and move on. This can sometimes be a good thing. It's not healthy to dwell on the past.

But we can't forget some things. Especially as this incredible crime has only just began to unfold:

https://media.livecast365.com/highwire/thehighwire/content/1663272425814.mp4

I think part of the goal is to vilify those who stand against the vaccine which in the end only those standing on faith will be able to do. So it will justify rounding up those who refuse to get the mark of the beast, off with their heads!

I used to think people wouldn't fall for that, but if they will watch this brainwashing stuff you posted then obviously they will. That video is repulsive. A demonic woman whose fingers are syringes? A cartoon of a guy who has the lizard eyes?

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I think part of the goal is to vilify those who stand against the vaccine which in the end only those standing on faith will be able to do. So it will justify rounding up those who refuse to get the mark of the beast, off with their heads!

I used to think people wouldn't fall for that, but if they will watch this brainwashing stuff you posted then obviously they will. That video is repulsive. A demonic woman whose fingers are syringes? A cartoon of a guy who has the lizard eyes?

These aren't parodies of the drug commercials either. These are small 3 second clips of the advertisements. I've seen some of these all the way through and have to agree with you that they will doubtless have no problem concentration camping the "vaccine deniers" and incinerating them for public health concerns. The police already carry out warrants for "mental hygiene and closing churches."

 

[wolfwint]

Then how can you possibly say that more people have died from Covid than the Vaccine, you don't know the long term effects? How can you possibly say the vaccine is far better than not being vaccinated you don't know the long term effects! How can you call us conspiracy theorists for asking questions and rejecting a Vaccine mandate, you don't know the long term effects!

What an outrage that a person would pretend to be some kind of medical authority telling people the vaccine is safe, it is better than not being vaccinated when you have no proof of that!

Sorry, i was not finnish with the post.
The Conspiracy theorys, were not asked as questions, but as true fact!
The fact in mortality is that till today multitimes more people died because of the virus then the vaccine!
Yes the vaccine is not proofed for 10 or 20 years. Nobody would have understand. If the goverment had said in beginning of 2020. There is a vaccine, but we have to wait 10 years, because we dont know the longterm effect of the vaccine.
And yes, we dont know the future, concerning the vaccine. But to say it is deadly is pure speculation. Or can you see in the future.
And we should not forget that the virus itself makes long term effects, which we also dont know. The vaccine is not stronger then the virus.

 

[wolfwint]

I've consulted physicians with a thousand times more credibility than Dr Anthony Fauci.
I've posted a couple of them for the benefit of others.

With the physicans it is sometimes like as with the cooks. 5 physicans 6 meanings.
Finaly it the question whom you trust.

 

[gb9]

Sorry, i was not finnish with the post.
The Conspiracy theorys, were not asked as questions, but as true fact!
The fact in mortality is that till today multitimes more people died because of the virus then the vaccine!
Yes the vaccine is not proofed for 10 or 20 years. Nobody would have understand. If the goverment had said in beginning of 2020. There is a vaccine, but we have to wait 10 years, because we dont know the longterm effect of the vaccine.
And yes, we dont know the future, concerning the vaccine. But to say it is deadly is pure speculation. Or can you see in the future.
And we should not forget that the virus itself makes long term effects, which we also dont know. The vaccine is not stronger then the virus.

the virus has a 97-98 % survival rate in most developed countries.

so, not a huge threat.

 

[wolfwint]

the virus has a 97-98 % survival rate in most developed countries.

so, not a huge threat.

So, you are australian? How many people are 2-3% in your country? Are they worth to do something to protect them? Is it known who are this 2-3 %?

 

[PennEd]

Out and out Murder:

"My beautiful Mother’s life was taken yesterday by the COVID BOOSTER SHOT!

She was happy and perfectly healthy! Spent yesterday morning visiting me at my house up until her appointment time. She left for her appointment happy and energetic! She had No medical issues at all!!

My mom text me right after she got the shot to let me know she was waiting the 15 min and I text her back. It was right after then that they say “she dropped dead before she hit the floor” in shoppers drug mart!!!!! That is what the docs have told us.

This NEVER should have happened had they known what they were shooting into us!!! My Mom would still be here!!! 😭😭😭"

The response from the Pharmacy:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1571176990694313984

 

[PennEd]

Are they worth to do something to protect them?

Why can't your brain process the fact that getting the "vaccine" offers ZERO protection?

 

[ZNP]

Sorry, i was not finnish with the post.
The Conspiracy theorys, were not asked as questions, but as true fact!
The fact in mortality is that till today multitimes more people died because of the virus then the vaccine!
Yes the vaccine is not proofed for 10 or 20 years. Nobody would have understand. If the goverment had said in beginning of 2020. There is a vaccine, but we have to wait 10 years, because we dont know the longterm effect of the vaccine.
And yes, we dont know the future, concerning the vaccine. But to say it is deadly is pure speculation. Or can you see in the future.
And we should not forget that the virus itself makes long term effects, which we also dont know. The vaccine is not stronger then the virus.

Baloney. The vax mandates claimed it was safe and effective, you have claimed that to be vaxxed is far better than to not be, you were the ones making baseless claims.

You don't know that it is safe and effective. No one does. That is why it is experimental, that is why it is illegal to mandate it. That is why I and many others became alarmed and don't trust you or anyone else who claims it is safe and effective because you don't know that and if you say you do you are a liar.

 

[wolfwint]

Why can't your brain process the fact that getting the "vaccine" offers ZERO protection?

Because you are wrong in this point.

 

[wolfwint]

Baloney. The vax mandates claimed it was safe and effective, you have claimed that to be vaxxed is far better than to not be, you were the ones making baseless claims.

You don't know that it is safe and effective. No one does. That is why it is experimental, that is why it is illegal to mandate it. That is why I and many others became alarmed and don't trust you or anyone else who claims it is safe and effective because you don't know that and if you say you do you are a liar.

It protected many people. And the covidinfection was less serious, if the patient was vaccined. Thats fact.
I know that you dont believe that. But this makes me not to be a liar.
From beginning many antivax people claimed that various conspiracy theories are true.
To be scary about the vaccine is one thing. I understand when you then avoid the vaccine. But another thing is to spread conspiracy theorys without any proof. I renember one claim that said after one year 65% of the vaccined people will die.

 

[ZNP]

Because you are wrong in this point.

Fair enough, I also agree that this statement is too simplistic.

However, you have admitted that all vaccines carry some risk. As a result all vaccines have a "risk/reward" analysis.

Since you don't know the 5-20 year effect from this vaccine you can't possibly know the risk of the vaccine nor can you possibly know the reward. There is evidence that in the first 3-4 months fewer people who have been vaccinated get sick with Covid, but there is also evidence that after 6 months more people who have been vaccinated get sick.

So instead of saying "Zero protection" why can't you admit that it is impossible to calculate the "risk/reward" of getting the vaccine. The evidence at this point suggests there may be some reward and it also shows that there is a sizable risk. However, we are incapable of calculating how big that reward is and how big the risk is and of making a logical conclusion. We do know that if you are over 70 and have comorbidities then your risk from Covid is quite high. Therefore if anyone might benefit from the vaccine then it might be you. Also, if you are over 80 you might not be concerned with the effect over 20 years.

On the other hand if you are younger than 40 and are healthy enough to reasonably expect to live another 20 years then you have a very small, perhaps negligible risk from Covid, but an unknown and potentially great risk from the vaccine.

 

[ZNP]

It protected many people.

You don't know that! Stop spreading disinformation! If you give me something that protects me for five months but a year later contributes to my dying, did it really protect me? If you give a kid a vaccine when they had next to 0 chance of dying from Covid but as a result they get myocarditis did it protect them? All you can say based on the data was that for about 3-4 months after getting the vaccine fewer people caught Covid than was expected. However, after six months more did. Perhaps for a terminally ill cancer patient who is over 80 "it protected them" but for everyone else you don't know!

And the covidinfection was less serious, if the patient was vaccined. Thats fact.

That is not fact unless you add "for the first 3-4 months" then it is fact. However, you should also add the caveat that for healthy people younger than 50 we are talking about a minuscule number of people.

I know that you dont believe that. But this makes me not to be a liar.

I would say that your statements are oversimplification. However since you have been repeatedly challenged and called on this and you persist in sticking to these statements that are oversimplification and can lead to people making a false conclusion concerning the vaccine, it appears you are intentionally misleading, which is more accurately called "deceitful".

From beginning many antivax people claimed that various conspiracy theories are true.

Irrelevant. From the beginning people have claimed the moon landing was false, has nothing to do with me or this thread.

To be scary about the vaccine is one thing. I understand when you then avoid the vaccine. But another thing is to spread conspiracy theorys without any proof.

OK, so you agree with me that for anyone to say the vaccine is safe and effective without any proof is a conspiracy theory perpetrated by the media, the governments and the drug companies. That is the big conspiracy theory.

I renember one claim that said after one year 65% of the vaccined people will die.

Typical strategy of Stalin. You control the opposition. You seed it with outrageous claims and then you debunk the outrageous claims you made to then with a broad brush condemn everyone.

We have posted peer reviewed scientific studies showing that the following:

1. The Vaccine is not safe, saying that it is, is a lie.

2. The Vaccine is not effective, saying that it is, is a lie.

We have also presented evidence for the following:

1. It is illegal to mandate an experimental vaccine and the vaccine they are giving you is experimental.

2. They have mandated it. People have been fired for not getting the vaccine.