Drunkenness' as sin in the Bible

[persistent]

Although I have not had a drink in over 42 years, my liver enzymes always come back with GGT very high. That's the enzyme that shows if a person is drinking too much alcohol. But I never drink, and I don't feel drunk. Something is affecting my liver, and now I am getting liver damage. I have always wondered if I have this. Not enough alcohol to be drunk, but a small amount daily 24/7 might be affecting my liver. Thanks for mentioning this name. Something I need to talk about with my liver specialist.

As to whether it is a sin if you have this syndrome? Of course it is not sin! Sin is something you make a choice to do. How can it be a sin if you have no control over it, and never even knew you had it?

I never heard of GGT and my last time to doctor was 1989 when I quit drinking by way of AA. I heard many years ago that cirrhosis is a nutritional disorder and is also exacerbated by the use of acetaminophen and possibly other things but whether that has anything to do with the enzyme you mention would necessarily need evaluation by an internist "I GUESS".

 

[JaumeJ]

Amen I agree. I’m glad my mentioning of this might be what the cause of your liver problem is. If so I hope and pray a liver specialist doctor can resolve the matter quickly.

Amen

 

[AndrewMorgan]

Is any sin more sinful than any other sin? i.e. Is sin relative? Is getting intoxicated sin and the degree of intoxication relative?

If no sin is greater than any other, why is Job called righteous and Judas Iscariot "the son of perdition"? I've heard this idea that "all sin is equal". I don't know where it comes from, but it certainly doesn't seem to be from the Bible.

 

[AndrewMorgan]

Now we're talking about alcohol, I'd like to bring up an issue I've previously mentioned - Did Jesus drink alcoholic wine? Obviously He drank "wine" as stated in the NT, but it has been stated by Pastor Steven Anderson that "oene", translated "wine", is an non-alcoholic fruit juice.
Could anyone shed light on the truth or lack thereof of this?

 

[persistent]

Now we're talking about alcohol, I'd like to bring up an issue I've previously mentioned - Did Jesus drink alcoholic wine? Obviously He drank "wine" as stated in the NT, but it has been stated by Pastor Steven Anderson that "oene", translated "wine", is an non-alcoholic fruit juice.
Could anyone shed light on the truth or lack thereof of this?

I have heard same but don't know. Maybe some of the people on this chat who I know have some helpful info will get in on this thread.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Thank you for the inspiration

That woman started out looking like this:

amen sister ! The inspiration is definately mutual between us but I believe that’s part of our Fathers design , that we may inspire one another to take another step in faith to let one more word into our heart from Jesus so he can repair a little more of us and make it shine for Him

“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭

“That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:9, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Sipsey]

Proverbs 6 speaks of things God hates, I’m sure there are more.

16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

 

[Sipsey]

If no sin is greater than any other, why is Job called righteous and Judas Iscariot "the son of perdition"? I've heard this idea that "all sin is equal". I don't know where it comes from, but it certainly doesn't seem to be from the Bible.

All sin is an affront to God. There are greater consequences in this life and the next for some sins. God’s standard is perfection, which means even the tiniest sin makes us unworthy, and in need of a Saviour.

 

[Magenta]

Proverbs 6 speaks of things God hates, I’m sure there are more.

16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 6:16-19 plus 12

 

[Sipsey]

I have heard same but don't know. Maybe some of the people on this chat who I know have some helpful info will get in on this thread.

It is easy to find protracted debates on this issue. Do a search and good luck.

 

[Adstar]

Is any sin more sinful than any other sin? i.e. Is sin relative? Is getting intoxicated sin and the degree of intoxication relative?

Yes Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a far more serious sin then any other sin because it is the one that never has forgiveness..

Getting drunk is a sin in the Bible.. Drinking alcohol is not.. Though some people in certain denominations have adopted a tradition of men that it is a sin..

 

[AndrewMorgan]

To anyone who would like to comment: - Would you say that drinking an excess of alcohol is in itself sinful, or is only the activity that could be engaged in in a drunk state sinful?
A side issue - Does anyone have any insight as to the extent and circumstances of Noah's drunkenness? It has been said (by Pastor Steven Anderson) that Ham was homosexual and abused Noah when he was in the tent.
Can anyone say whether this is a commonly-held view?

 

[persistent]

In the time of Noah what method was used for making alcohol? Most likely fermentation. So was the wine they drank at all like MD20/20? Probably not. Probably more like some Mediterranean type of table wine.

 

[Angela53510]

Amen I agree. I’m glad my mentioning of this might be what the cause of your liver problem is. If so I hope and pray a liver specialist doctor can resolve the matter quickly.

Thank you so much for your information and your prayers.

 

[Angela53510]

I never heard of GGT and
ago that cirrhosis is a nutritional disorder and is also exacerbated by the use of acetaminophen and possibly other things but whether that has anything to do with the enzyme you mention would necessarily need evaluation by an internist "I GUESS".

I don't think anyone could eat much better than I do. I have been an organic gardener for over 50 years, and I am able to store and freeze things, so I can almost make it through the winter. I also take supplements for every vitamin and mineral there is.

My liver was in good shape for every biopsy and ultra sound I have had. Except I have fatty liver, which didn't bother me in the past. I also take small doses of cancer drugs to control by Rheumatoid Arthritis. But you can damage your liver when it is fatty!

In a way, having given up drinking for over 42 years, is a blessing. My doctors always want to know how much I drink. When I tell them I haven't had a drink in 42 years, sometimes a door will open to tell people how God delivered me from drinking when he saved me, a testimony is always a good place to start!

 

[Angela53510]

To anyone who would like to comment: - Would you say that drinking an excess of alcohol is in itself sinful, or is only the activity that could be engaged in in a drunk state sinful?
A side issue - Does anyone have any insight as to the extent and circumstances of Noah's drunkenness? It has been said (by Pastor Steven Anderson) that Ham was homosexual and abused Noah when he was in the tent.
Can anyone say whether this is a commonly-held view?

Time to stop watching this false teacher! He is making up stuff as he goes along. I don't care if he makes this stuff up, or thinks he is a prophet of God. When he says Ham was a homosexual and abused Noah, this is called extra-biblical revelation. God's Word is always enough. Don't speculate about what is in the Bible, but rather put into practise what you are reading!

At no place in the Bible is Ham said to be a homosexual, and he never abused Noah. That is bad hermeneutics, or Bible interpretation. A close family friend who is black claims to have come from the line of Ham. Not because "Gave it took him in a dream or vision" but he studied the Bible to learn about Ham. Plus, Ham was Noah's descendent, and moved south towards Africa where he settled down.

Please read your Bible daily over and over. Three chapters of the OT and one NT chapter gets you through the Bible in a year. I've read the Bible 56 times, and in a number of different language, including Koine Greek & Biblical Hebrew. The Bible should inform all out theological stances. And think about taking a course or reading a book about hermeneutics. It is a huge aid to understanding the Bible,

 

[AndrewMorgan]

Time to stop watching this false teacher! He is making up stuff as he goes along. I don't care if he makes this stuff up, or thinks he is a prophet of God. When he says Ham was a homosexual and abused Noah, this is called extra-biblical revelation. God's Word is always enough. Don't speculate about what is in the Bible, but rather put into practise what you are reading!

At no place in the Bible is Ham said to be a homosexual, and he never abused Noah. That is bad hermeneutics, or Bible interpretation. A close family friend who is black claims to have come from the line of Ham. Not because "Gave it took him in a dream or vision" but he studied the Bible to learn about Ham. Plus, Ham was Noah's descendent, and moved south towards Africa where he settled down.

Please read your Bible daily over and over. Three chapters of the OT and one NT chapter gets you through the Bible in a year. I've read the Bible 56 times, and in a number of different language, including Koine Greek & Biblical Hebrew. The Bible should inform all out theological stances. And think about taking a course or reading a book about hermeneutics. It is a huge aid to understanding the Bible,

Thanks for your input.
I was surprised that Anderson taught that Ham was a homosexual and abused Noah. I've never seen that in the account or anywhere else. He seems to know the Bible pretty well - I'm surprised he came to that conclusion. I don't know if this belief is widely held in some circles.
One thing about people's lineage post-flood:- there's an idea that different races came undiluted from the 3 sons of Noah - ie - Ham had an unbroken lineage, Shem had another and Japheth has another. Anderson himself pointed out the flaw in this idea. The implication would be that the children of Ham and his wife would only be joined with each other in perpetuity. The same would be true for the other 2 couples. I think it's reasonable to think would not have happened. Rather - Noan sons' sons and daughters would have mingled with each other. I think the idea of a "pure" line of descent is unreasonable.
For that matter, DNA shows otherwise. Apparently, people across the world have a tangled web of ethnicity.
As for Bible reading - I encountered (for want of a better word) Christianity when I was 26 (I'm now 63) and throughout the decades have read the Bible a fair bit, but only relatively recently have I started to systematically read it from cover to cover.

 

[AndrewMorgan]

Time to stop watching this false teacher! He is making up stuff as he goes along. I don't care if he makes this stuff up, or thinks he is a prophet of God. When he says Ham was a homosexual and abused Noah, this is called extra-biblical revelation. God's Word is always enough. Don't speculate about what is in the Bible, but rather put into practise what you are reading!

At no place in the Bible is Ham said to be a homosexual, and he never abused Noah. That is bad hermeneutics, or Bible interpretation. A close family friend who is black claims to have come from the line of Ham. Not because "Gave it took him in a dream or vision" but he studied the Bible to learn about Ham. Plus, Ham was Noah's descendent, and moved south towards Africa where he settled down.

Please read your Bible daily over and over. Three chapters of the OT and one NT chapter gets you through the Bible in a year. I've read the Bible 56 times, and in a number of different language, including Koine Greek & Biblical Hebrew. The Bible should inform all out theological stances. And think about taking a course or reading a book about hermeneutics. It is a huge aid to understanding the Bible,

PS - I really try to avoid typos, but occasionally, some get through. I hope my overall post was clear.

 

[persistent]

I don't think anyone could eat much better than I do. I have been an organic gardener for over 50 years, and I am able to store and freeze things, so I can almost make it through the winter. I also take supplements for every vitamin and mineral there is.

My liver was in good shape for every biopsy and ultra sound I have had. Except I have fatty liver, which didn't bother me in the past. I also take small doses of cancer drugs to control by Rheumatoid Arthritis. But you can damage your liver when it is fatty!

In a way, having given up drinking for over 42 years, is a blessing. My doctors always want to know how much I drink. When I tell them I haven't had a drink in 42 years, sometimes a door will open to tell people how God delivered me from drinking when he saved me, a testimony is always a good place to start!

Your posts are very interesting and somewhat informative. i.e. hermeneutics-a whole other kettle of 153fish? But another time? Sorry to hear about that RA. Possibly genetic? My mother claimed it and my brother was walking with a cane starting age 31 or so. Me, almost perfect. So what gives? 1997 or thereabout started with Glucosamine & Chondrotin. Knees were 'creaky' and after 3 months of G&C, perfecto. Didn't even need G&C for next year or so but then 'creaky' knees again and this time only 1 month of G&C and voila, perfecto. That cycle keeps repeating, although frequency varies. My neighbor who had some fairly serious problem with his knees and required medical attention claims he still is taking G&C and derives some benefit. Could be psychological? I gave him his first bottle of G&C years ago and he apparently derived some benefit if he is still using it. (1)-- I'm starting to think that God is keeping me in reasonable shape for some reason that I don't know or (2)-- Bible says 3 score and 10, which means I've got another 9 days. Depending on how you count. Some people (Koreans?) count from 'conception' and baby celebrates birthday 1 at 3 months. (3)--Does that mean I got a reprieve or extra 3 or 9 months or ??? (4)--- And then I think about Oliver Wendell Holmes poem, The One Horse Shay, built in such a wonderful way it last 100 years to the day. If its the No.2 you won't need put up with these crazy posts much longer. Just remember, it's in Gods' time not ours. Also want to say thanks on that velyku and I don't see any connection with didylis or any Lithuanian spelling. I see that the Cyrillic first letter has a sort of english v sound. That makes sense to me. And this is another whole kettle of 153 fish

 

[persistent]

Thanks for your input.
I was surprised that Anderson taught that Ham was a homosexual and abused Noah. I've never seen that in the account or anywhere else. He seems to know the Bible pretty well - I'm surprised he came to that conclusion. I don't know if this belief is widely held in some circles.
One thing about people's lineage post-flood:- there's an idea that different races came undiluted from the 3 sons of Noah - ie - Ham had an unbroken lineage, Shem had another and Japheth has another. Anderson himself pointed out the flaw in this idea. The implication would be that the children of Ham and his wife would only be joined with each other in perpetuity. The same would be true for the other 2 couples. I think it's reasonable to think would not have happened. Rather - Noan sons' sons and daughters would have mingled with each other. I think the idea of a "pure" line of descent is unreasonable.
For that matter, DNA shows otherwise. Apparently, people across the world have a tangled web of ethnicity.
As for Bible reading - I encountered (for want of a better word) Christianity when I was 26 (I'm now 63) and throughout the decades have read the Bible a fair bit, but only relatively recently have I started to systematically read it from cover to cover.

.Does it matter about 'spin' on what seem to be peripheral issues so long as they teach the Gospel of Christ. I am considering attending a congregation where the minister's wife was saying the word firebrands came to her while praying and hubby says it must be that the 7th chapter of Isaiah is probably talking about 9/11 based on Missy's 'revelation'. Can't the congregation just boo them off the stage?