Anti-vaxxers are people too?

[ZNP]

Yes, there are reactions to the vaccine. Nobody denys that.
The rections to the virus are in compare to the vaccine more worse.
Thats why I cant understand your position. Also I cant understand that Christians spreading here lies and claime that more people died on the vaccine then on the virus.
There is no Single proof for that.
USA says to have 1.050.000 death because of the Virus. Show me the study that shows more then 1.050.000 death are because of the vaccine.
I know that in germany no study exists which tells that more people died because of the vaccine, then to the virus.

I have not said there are more deaths from the vaccine than Covid. At present it is still too confused to say that. However, what I did say is that for every Covid hospitalization that was avoided because of the vaccine there were 18-98 serious adverse reactions from the vaccine. On average we are talking about something like 50:1

Now we have excellent therapeutic treatment for someone who gets Covid. I would say you take HCQ the minute you feel you coming down with something and you can continue drinking it as long as you are sick. If you continue to get worse you can take Ivermectin. If you still need to go to the hospital we have antibodies. There are very good treatments that put the survival rate well above 99.9%. If you are healthy and don't have comorbidities your chances of surviving Covid is over 99.99% So why are they pushing a vaccine that doesn't protect you, doesn't protect others, and has 50x as many adverse reactions that can be very serious?

 

[gb9]

Yes, there are reactions to the vaccine. Nobody denys that.
The rections to the virus are in compare to the vaccine more worse.
Thats why I cant understand your position. Also I cant understand that Christians spreading here lies and claime that more people died on the vaccine then on the virus.
There is no Single proof for that.
USA says to have 1.050.000 death because of the Virus. Show me the study that shows more then 1.050.000 death are because of the vaccine.
I know that in germany no study exists which tells that more people died because of the vaccine, then to the virus.

you used to deny that. some of us have been talking about the side effects for over a year and a half.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Had the golden experience to work with USAF veteran, ran radar, spent 10+ years in Germany, F104 Starfighters were the plane, very unstable down on the deck at landing speeds, German pilot waved off twice as he was coming in way too fast, this runway had an obstruction at the end, pilot mouthed off as to how he had been to the US and graduated from the flight schools on this air craft. Came in the third time was waved off, he came in anyway and promptly died in the resulting crash.
It left my friend with the impression there was an endemic hardheadedness.

Wow, that is quite a legacy!

That puts things in perspective as to why people decide to go forward with the shots in spite of what we discussed here.
I've always said that our veterans deserve far better care than what is available. After losing close family to the treatments, I've made it a point to speak against that system that took more lives than the recent wars. Thanks for putting your neck on the line to help others.
☕🙂👍

 

[ZNP]

Had the golden experience to work with USAF veteran, ran radar, spent 10+ years in Germany, F104 Starfighters were the plane, very unstable down on the deck at landing speeds, German pilot waved off twice as he was coming in way too fast, this runway had an obstruction at the end, pilot mouthed off as to how he had been to the US and graduated from the flight schools on this air craft. Came in the third time was waved off, he came in anyway and promptly died in the resulting crash.
It left my friend with the impression there was an endemic hardheadedness.

 

[wolfwint]

you used to deny that. some of us have been talking about the side effects for over a year and a half.

I have never denyed the side effects of the vaccine. I said the "side effects" of the virus itself are more worse!!

 

[wolfwint]

I have not said there are more deaths from the vaccine than Covid. At present it is still too confused to say that. However, what I did say is that for every Covid hospitalization that was avoided because of the vaccine there were 18-98 serious adverse reactions from the vaccine. On average we are talking about something like 50:1

Now we have excellent therapeutic treatment for someone who gets Covid. I would say you take HCQ the minute you feel you coming down with something and you can continue drinking it as long as you are sick. If you continue to get worse you can take Ivermectin. If you still need to go to the hospital we have antibodies. There are very good treatments that put the survival rate well above 99.9%. If you are healthy and don't have comorbidities your chances of surviving Covid is over 99.99% So why are they pushing a vaccine that doesn't protect you, doesn't protect others, and has 50x as many adverse reactions that can be very serious?

https://www.unispital-basel.ch/medi...ankten/cHash=87aaac428bfbc6f20ff8add564ddebb0

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22446-z

This studys shows that HCQ is useless.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2/full

This study shows that ivermectin is not better then Placebo.
So you can take pure warm water. This is cheaper then ivermectin.

From 123 000 000 vaccine injections in Nov.2021 are known 0,02% heavy reactions to the vaccine.

So far you cant convince me from your "therapy "methods.

 

[shittim]

sounds like Teutonic hardheadedness

 

[wolfwint]

sounds like Teutonic hardheadedness

What has this to do with teutonic hardheadedness? Do you not defend your view and are convinced from that what you say? How I should call this then?
For that we have the freedom to say our thoughts about Covid and the vaccine without going in jail.
That you will not agree is not New for me
Must I believe all this conspiracy theorys? And then I am a good Christian?
I must also not believe what the " mainstrem" says about Covid and Vaccine.
But many calls for me more logic then what I read from this conspiracy theories.

 

[Eli1]

Yes, there are reactions to the vaccine. Nobody denys that.
The rections to the virus are in compare to the vaccine more worse.
Thats why I cant understand your position. Also I cant understand that Christians spreading here lies and claime that more people died on the vaccine then on the virus.
There is no Single proof for that.
USA says to have 1.050.000 death because of the Virus. Show me the study that shows more then 1.050.000 death are because of the vaccine.
I know that in germany no study exists which tells that more people died because of the vaccine, then to the virus.

It’s okay brother. People are free to say whatever they want.

 

[GaryA]

Must I believe all this conspiracy theorys? And then I am a good Christian?
I must also not believe what the " mainstrem" says about Covid and Vaccine.

Start by believing that God knew what He was doing when He designed our immune system. Stay with that and you can hardly go wrong...

 

[wolfwint]

Start by believing that God knew what He was doing when He designed our immune system. Stay with that and you can hardly go wrong...

Well, dont forget Genesis 3, after sinfall sickness and death came into the World. Also our from God perfect designed immunsystem is not perfect anymore.
You can go according the argument the strongest will survive. But I dont think this is Gods measure.

 

[GaryA]

Well, dont forget Genesis 3, after sinfall sickness and death came into the World. Also our from God perfect designed immunsystem is not perfect anymore.

In whatever way it may be "less" than before, it is because it is "under attack" from a multitude of man-made chemical concoctions.

A man-made chemical concoction is never the [proper] answer - 'natural health' is always the [proper] answer.

(Please note that my use of the word 'answer' here is different than if I had used the word 'solution'.)

You can go according the argument the strongest will survive. But I dont think this is Gods measure.

Whether you survive or not is not even the question.

It is about doing things God's way instead of doing things the world's (Satan's) way...

God's measure is whether or not you are doing things God's way.

And, generally speaking, if you do things God's way - you will fare better in any case. God takes care of those who trust in Him.

 

[wolfwint]

In whatever way it may be "less" than before, it is because it is "under attack" from a multitude of man-made chemical concoctions.

A man-made chemical concoction is never the [proper] answer - 'natural health' is always the [proper] answer.

(Please note that my use of the word 'answer' here is different than if I had used the word 'solution'.)


Whether you survive or not is not even the question.

It is about doing things God's way instead of doing things the world's (Satan's) way...

God's measure is whether or not you are doing things God's way.

And, generally speaking, if you do things God's way - you will fare better in any case. God takes care of those who trust in Him.

So if some is taking medicine or vaccines he is automaticly someone who is not trusting God?

 

[shittim]

Said the hard headed Teutonic janitor who does not know his Creator in relationship?

 

[iamsoandso]

Start by believing that God knew what He was doing when He designed our immune system. Stay with that and you can hardly go wrong...

Not that I am arguing pro vaccine but if we look at the process of how or how long it would take for a population to develop immunity to illnesses that are considered novel,,,(never caught them before), in a population there is actually a good amount of information that we do have. In 1492 the Europeans discovered the Americas and began bringing with them illnesses that the indigenous peoples of America had never caught before, "novel to them" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_disease_and_epidemics

I do agree with you in believing that God designed us with a marvelous ability to develop immunity to illnesses but looking back in time to just how,and how long that process takes then from 1492 to the 1700's is about 200 years? And how many Indians died before herd immunity was developed in them? Again I agree in how he designed our immune system but how and how long that process takes is sitting there in how and how long it took in our past history isn't it?

 

[ZNP]

https://www.unispital-basel.ch/medi...ankten/cHash=87aaac428bfbc6f20ff8add564ddebb0

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22446-z

This studys shows that HCQ is useless.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2/full

This study shows that ivermectin is not better then Placebo.
So you can take pure warm water. This is cheaper then ivermectin.

From 123 000 000 vaccine injections in Nov.2021 are known 0,02% heavy reactions to the vaccine.

So far you cant convince me from your "therapy "methods.

I saw studies that showed HCQ was effective, and that Ivermectin was effective.

I listened to Dr. Zelensky who had treated thousands of people successfully including President Trump.

I have taken HCQ at least six times, and at least once I was very sick, even delirious, and went to bed. Next morning in all cases I felt fine. My wife has also done the same.

I have an orphanage in Kenya that I support with 78 kids most of whom are HIV positive. I sent them HCQ, Quercetin and Zinc and after a month they all felt much better, even the doctor was willing to say publicly that whatever we were giving them had helped tremendously as their weight, appetite and general health had all improved markedly.

I don't want to be rude, but Wolfwint, I have learned not to listen to you in anything, especially related to this issue. I am not interested in "convincing you" as far as I am concerned you have been warned, what you do with that is between you and the Lord. My main concern at this point is that you and others like you are not permitted to spread your disinformation unchallenged.

I am against censorship, against insults, but I am also strongly against allowing this narrative go unchallenged.

We post studies, advice from reputable doctors, and personal accounts and anecdotal accounts.

 

[GaryA]

So if some is taking medicine or vaccines he is automaticly someone who is not trusting God?

Something like that...

I am not saying that "man-made medicine" doesn't offer any effective solutions - I am saying that it is not the answer.

God's way is to feed the natural immune system He gave us through [purely] natural means.

If you are not using His approach, you are not [really] trusting Him.

Most people have been "tricked" (by Satan) into believing that "man's medicine" is better. It is not - never has been, never will be.

Pharmaceutical (man-made) "medicine" is nowhere even close to 'natural'. (It is "Satan's 'unnatural' way".)

If you are truly trusting God, then you are doing it naturally and not in a way that - at its base level - conflicts with the natural processes of the body.

Do you understand why all pharmaceutical drugs have side-effects? It is because the base-level building blocks of the drugs are things the body was not designed to process. This interferes with natural body processes and causes side-effects.

Do you know what those building blocks are and where they come from? They come from the leftover "waste product" of the oil distillation process.

That's right! Pharmaceutical drugs are made from bottom-of-the-barrel oil "sludge"...

Do some research.

Read the Bible.

Pay attention.

The Bible shows us (in the 'grammar of the language') that 'pharmaceuticals' is the 'sorcery' that Satan uses to "deceive the whole world"... (Revelation 12:9)

I believe it. Look around you...

 

[GaryA]

Not that I am arguing pro vaccine but if we look at the process of how or how long it would take for a population to develop immunity to illnesses that are considered novel,,,(never caught them before), in a population there is actually a good amount of information that we do have. In 1492 the Europeans discovered the Americas and began bringing with them illnesses that the indigenous peoples of America had never caught before, "novel to them" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_disease_and_epidemics

I do agree with you in believing that God designed us with a marvelous ability to develop immunity to illnesses but looking back in time to just how,and how long that process takes then from 1492 to the 1700's is about 200 years? And how many Indians died before herd immunity was developed in them? Again I agree in how he designed our immune system but how and how long that process takes is sitting there in how and how long it took in our past history isn't it?

If a certain cyanide compound will cause death within a minute of its exposure to the skin --- should we "become the Borg" (Star Trek reference) in the attempt to prevent any human from dying from it?

 

[gb9]

So if some is taking medicine or vaccines he is automaticly someone who is not trusting God?

that should be every individual's choice, and it should never be a requirement for employment,

the reason why so many of us were anti-covid vax 2 years was because we say the mandates coming, and did not want them.

you were calling us crazy conspiracy theorists back them......

 

[wolfwint]

that should be every individual's choice, and it should never be a requirement for employment,

the reason why so many of us were anti-covid vax 2 years was because we say the mandates coming, and did not want them.

you were calling us crazy conspiracy theorists back them......

I did not call you so. Dont lay words in my mouth which I have never said.