"The rich man And Lazarus..."
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Jonah and the whale
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great question! Since, apparently, we won't all be delivered from the first death, and some must suffer a second death...
Well, He conquered the power of the grave's ability to hold us, so all will be resurrected so, in that sense He will deliver us from the first death. However, He will be the one delivering, in a different sense of the word, those, that will suffer the second death, to it...
Well, He conquered the power of the grave's ability to hold us, so all will be resurrected so, in that sense He will deliver us from the first death. However, He will be the one delivering, in a different sense of the word, those, that will suffer the second death, to it...
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Nothing that I’m aware of. Abraham explained the judgements against them. He said the rich man had good thing and Lazarus had evil things. That’s the basis on which they were sent to their places.
Also, there’s no warnings of a place of torment in the Old Testament that the rich man or his brothers could have known about. If it’s literal, the rich man was blind-sided with torment. If not then it makes more sense to find the symbolism in this rich man and Lazarus parable.
Here’s another question: was Lazarus incapable of working, disabled, or handicapped in some way? Or was he slothful?
Also, there’s no warnings of a place of torment in the Old Testament that the rich man or his brothers could have known about. If it’s literal, the rich man was blind-sided with torment. If not then it makes more sense to find the symbolism in this rich man and Lazarus parable.
Here’s another question: was Lazarus incapable of working, disabled, or handicapped in some way? Or was he slothful?
That’s an interesting interpretation.
I’ve also heard it said that the rich man and his five brothers represent something, bringing the number to six. As far as I know, six normally has a negative connotation to it in the Bible, but it could also be representative of something else.
Here’s an interesting article about the number six in the Bible:
https://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/6.html
I’ve also heard it said that the rich man and his five brothers represent something, bringing the number to six. As far as I know, six normally has a negative connotation to it in the Bible, but it could also be representative of something else.
Here’s an interesting article about the number six in the Bible:
https://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/6.html
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The number 6 = work
The number 5 = salvation or judgment.
Fact is, no unsaved person today is in hell. The man was in hell with brothers on the earth. When the unsaved die they go to a place of silence.
Psalm 31:17
Let me not be ashamed, O LORD; for I have called upon thee: let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in the grave.
The number 5 = salvation or judgment.
Fact is, no unsaved person today is in hell. The man was in hell with brothers on the earth. When the unsaved die they go to a place of silence.
Psalm 31:17
Let me not be ashamed, O LORD; for I have called upon thee: let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in the grave.
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More than just listen. Lazarus obviously believed Moses and the prophets. In fact, Paul's entire ministry of evangelism was based on what Moses and the prophets wrote.
Acts 26:22,23
22 To this day I have had the help that comes from God, and so I stand here testifying both to small and great, saying nothing but what the prophets and Moses said would come to pass: 23 that the Christ must suffer and that, by being the first to rise from the dead, he would proclaim light both to our people and to the Gentiles.”
What Lazarus found "useful" was the good news about the coming Messiah who would save people from their sins. Which is the sole reason Lazarus went to Paradise and the rich man didn't believe Moses and the prophets, and ended up in torments, awaiting the GWT judgment.
That wasn't a judgment. Abraham didn't judge anything. Read the account. Abe was noting facts.
Your own "judgment" is faulty. If that were true, then ALL poor people go to heaven and all rich people go to hell. That is pure nonsense. Why don't you think through your opinions before you post?
You should at least READ the text before asking inane questions.
If the Bible doesn't give details, then don't ask for details.
Your own "judgment" is faulty. If that were true, then ALL poor people go to heaven and all rich people go to hell. That is pure nonsense. Why don't you think through your opinions before you post?
You should at least READ the text before asking inane questions.
If the Bible doesn't give details, then don't ask for details.
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This is ludicrous. And that was not "hell" but Hades (mistranslated as hell). The rich man was not "praying". He was pleading with Abraham. And Jesus definitely did not pray from hell. Jesus "preached" or "proclaimed" His victory in Hades to the spirits in prison.
Why such a snarky retort to a very reasonable post? Are you just not aware of what the Bible says?
This is ludicrous. And that was not "hell" but Hades (mistranslated as hell). The rich man was not "praying". He was pleading with Abraham. And Jesus definitely did not pray from hell. Jesus "preached" or "proclaimed" His victory in Hades to the spirits in prison.
Why such a snarky retort to a very reasonable post? Are you just not aware of what the Bible says?
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Thanks to prolific publishing companies, an abundance of paper, and high
speed printing presses; we today have loads of Bibles at our disposal; even
thrift stores have a variety of them on their shelves. But I'm pretty sure
Lazarus had nothing of his own to research. So my hat is off to whoever his
rabbis were because they taught him enough from the Old Testament to get
him to safety.
As for the rich man's five brothers: were it my hap to be their rabbi, I would
school them like kindergartners by starting them off with verse 1, chapter 1,
of the book of Genesis which says:
• Gen 1:1a . . In the beginning God created the heavens and earth
Moses' writings don't waste words with an argument to convince skeptic
minds that a supreme being exists; rather, it starts off by candidly alleging
that the existence of the cosmos is due to intelligent design.
I mean: if the complexity of the cosmos-- its extent, its objects, and all of its
forms of life, matter, and energy --isn't enough to convince the critics; then
they're pretty much beyond reach; and also without excuse too because the
realm of nature is everyone's rabbi: whether pious or impious, whether
educated or uneducated, whether literate or illiterate, whether sophisticated
or primitive, whether Jew or Gentile; regardless of age, race, and/or gender
preference.
• Ps 19:1-4 . .The heavens tell of the glory of God. The skies display His
marvelous craftsmanship. Day after day they continue to speak; night after
night they make Him known. They speak without a sound or a word; their
voice is silent in the skies; yet their message has gone out to all the earth,
and their words to all the world. (cf. Rev 14:6-7)
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Thanks to prolific publishing companies, an abundance of paper, and high
speed printing presses; we today have loads of Bibles at our disposal; even
thrift stores have a variety of them on their shelves. But I'm pretty sure
Lazarus had nothing of his own to research. So my hat is off to whoever his
rabbis were because they taught him enough from the Old Testament to get
him to safety.
As for the rich man's five brothers: were it my hap to be their rabbi, I would
school them like kindergartners by starting them off with verse 1, chapter 1,
of the book of Genesis which says:
• Gen 1:1a . . In the beginning God created the heavens and earth
Moses' writings don't waste words with an argument to convince skeptic
minds that a supreme being exists; rather, it starts off by candidly alleging
that the existence of the cosmos is due to intelligent design.
I mean: if the complexity of the cosmos-- its extent, its objects, and all of its
forms of life, matter, and energy --isn't enough to convince the critics; then
they're pretty much beyond reach; and also without excuse too because the
realm of nature is everyone's rabbi: whether pious or impious, whether
educated or uneducated, whether literate or illiterate, whether sophisticated
or primitive, whether Jew or Gentile; regardless of age, race, and/or gender
preference.
• Ps 19:1-4 . .The heavens tell of the glory of God. The skies display His
marvelous craftsmanship. Day after day they continue to speak; night after
night they make Him known. They speak without a sound or a word; their
voice is silent in the skies; yet their message has gone out to all the earth,
and their words to all the world. (cf. Rev 14:6-7)
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The parable doesn’t say the rich man had a problem with the existence of God, but rather with the existence of a place of torment that Moses and the Prophets said absolutely nothing about or even hinted at.
That’s what he wanted his family to be warned about, but Abraham insisted if they weren’t persuaded by Moses and the Prophets then they wouldn’t be persuaded if someone raised from the dead.
Obviously there’s symbolism and allegory being used here since looking for a scripture about a place of torment in the Old Testament is a wild goose chase.
That’s what he wanted his family to be warned about, but Abraham insisted if they weren’t persuaded by Moses and the Prophets then they wouldn’t be persuaded if someone raised from the dead.
Obviously there’s symbolism and allegory being used here since looking for a scripture about a place of torment in the Old Testament is a wild goose chase.