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And as Jesus said in the following parallel accounts those who seek will surely find. Praise God!
Matt 7:7-11
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Luke 11:13
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Matt 7:7-11
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Luke 11:13
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
1 Tim 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
2 Tim 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
2 Tim 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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The biggest reason I asked about if those statements could be found in the Bible knowing from the 4th Century Greek to the 16th Century Latin to English Textus Receptus there's a difference between 251 Verses and 1000+ extra words.
Many times I read the KJV that looks clearly like this one type of definition and then I read the 4th Century Greek and the Verses don't even line up.
So I wonder if those statements that are definitely from the KJV is where this man made idealism comes from.
Many times I read the KJV that looks clearly like this one type of definition and then I read the 4th Century Greek and the Verses don't even line up.
So I wonder if those statements that are definitely from the KJV is where this man made idealism comes from.
Okay well here is the verses:
(John 10:34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
(John 10:35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
First thing-- gods is small g.. indicating Jesus isn't talking about the kind of infinite, all powerful, all knowing etc God type.
Second thing--- the meaning of 'gods' when looking at the strong's concordance.. is related to magistrates and judges.
Last thing---
Psa 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Psa 82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
This is about judges and magistrates. It follows that kind of meaning.. of believers set to be judging wickedness as appointed by God.
(John 10:34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
(John 10:35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
First thing-- gods is small g.. indicating Jesus isn't talking about the kind of infinite, all powerful, all knowing etc God type.
Second thing--- the meaning of 'gods' when looking at the strong's concordance.. is related to magistrates and judges.
Last thing---
Psa 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Psa 82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
This is about judges and magistrates. It follows that kind of meaning.. of believers set to be judging wickedness as appointed by God.
They may not be the same.. but they are not seperate. Jesus didn't come down as the Holy Spirit to empower at Pentecost.. but Jesus did speak to the churches in Revelation as well as the Spirit. Also in Revelation.. Jesus is referred to as the same terms as the Father.. the alpha and omega.
This is where while it isn't modalism.. it is still the one being, God... not 3 seperate beings.
But really.. I'm splitting hairs because it gets to a point where it's just arguing semantics.. because I believe as you do that Jesus is God.. the Holy Spirit is God.. the Father is God.. co-equal.. co-eternal .. co-existing.
I think we are only similar pages on most things.. eg OSAS.. cessation of sign gifts.. and the trinity.. but slightly different ways of looking at them.
This is where while it isn't modalism.. it is still the one being, God... not 3 seperate beings.
But really.. I'm splitting hairs because it gets to a point where it's just arguing semantics.. because I believe as you do that Jesus is God.. the Holy Spirit is God.. the Father is God.. co-equal.. co-eternal .. co-existing.
I think we are only similar pages on most things.. eg OSAS.. cessation of sign gifts.. and the trinity.. but slightly different ways of looking at them.
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1 Peter 1:11
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Matthew 10:20
For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
If Christ is not the Father, then trinitarians must believe there are 2 Holy Spirits in believers.
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Matthew 10:20
For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
If Christ is not the Father, then trinitarians must believe there are 2 Holy Spirits in believers.
I am different than some in that I do not require a complete understanding of everything to have joy and peace. I know Jesus loves me and that His ways are higher than my own. Is it possible that there are some concepts that our minds will not be completely able to grasp until the time of their future glorification? I'm ok with temporarily seeing through a glass darkly.
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The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One. Do you find such things as triangles complex? A triangle is three points and is one object.
The Son manifested on Earth and went to the Cross, the Spirit currently manifests within us, and the Father was how God presented Himself to His people in the OT. All and One existed from eternity past and shall exist for eternity future.
It is ok to not grasp it, but it is not ok to deny it. Just remember that the Father and Son did talk to each other when the Son was on Earth. The Spirit is present here below while the Father and Son currently reside in Heaven.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One. Do you find such things as triangles complex? A triangle is three points and is one object.
The Son manifested on Earth and went to the Cross, the Spirit currently manifests within us, and the Father was how God presented Himself to His people in the OT. All and One existed from eternity past and shall exist for eternity future.
It is ok to not grasp it, but it is not ok to deny it. Just remember that the Father and Son did talk to each other when the Son was on Earth. The Spirit is present here below while the Father and Son currently reside in Heaven.
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No one is born of God from birth. So all are separated by sin, dead to God and unable to love God. If your understanding was correct, no one could be saved. In Adam, all die (1 Corinthians 15:22). If it was not possible to repent, then no one could be saved and Jesus died in vain.
The unforgivable sin is to call the work of the Holy Spirit evil. (Mark 3:20-30). I met a young man, at Teen Challenge, who constantly mocked Christians. He went from church to church, sponging off them where he could and laughing at their gullibility. I went overseas for a few months (Navy). I met him again at Teen Challenge. He was in tears of joy. He had just been born again and his face shone like an angel.
The unforgivable sin only remains while people keep on with their blasphemous attitude. If they repent, then the offence is gone and God's forgiveness is available again.
The unforgivable sin is to call the work of the Holy Spirit evil. (Mark 3:20-30). I met a young man, at Teen Challenge, who constantly mocked Christians. He went from church to church, sponging off them where he could and laughing at their gullibility. I went overseas for a few months (Navy). I met him again at Teen Challenge. He was in tears of joy. He had just been born again and his face shone like an angel.
The unforgivable sin only remains while people keep on with their blasphemous attitude. If they repent, then the offence is gone and God's forgiveness is available again.
I think the unforgivable sin is rejecting Christ. The Jews who said he had a devil , were rejecting him ." All blashemies shall be forgiven the sons of men. " But the blashemy against the Holy Spirit no. They no doubt went on to die in their sins by rejecting Christ in so doing invoking the righteousness of God > that attribute of Himself that upholds his law and holds the trangressor liable to pay penalty .
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