Question

[Magenta]

I wonder what Jesus was teaching in the following parable?

Mark 2:21-22
“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; otherwise, the patch pulls away from it, the new from the old, and a worse tear results. And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost and the skins as well; but one puts new wine into fresh wineskins.”

Hmmm?

The coming of a new and superior Covenant, founded on better promises
with His shed righteous blood, signifying the passing of older covenants.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Question

This is not a trick question I really want to know the answer.

Do you believe that Jesus was trying to teach us something from the parables or where they just stories. Just a yes or no or a longer answer is OK too

what's interesting is Jesus Himself said the Parables were only for those who were true Followers. no one else could understand them. even at first the Disciples did not understand them. so even to this very day only True Followers of Christ are able to understand them. even many Modern Day Scholars differ in the meaning amongst themselves. which makes sense knowing only the Believers in Christ would understand.

to your question, YES, they teach us something in every one of them.

 

[Inquisitor]

Why did Jesus speak in Parables? Jesus gives us the answer Himself so we have no reason to wounder or question them.



The Purpose of Jesus’ Parables
(Isaiah 6:1–13; Mark 4:10–12; Luke 8:9–10)

10Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to the people in parables?”

11He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:

‘Though seeing, they do not see;

though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’b

14In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled:

‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;

you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

15For this people’s heart has grown callous;

they hardly hear with their ears,

and they have closed their eyes.

Otherwise they might see with their eyes,

hear with their ears,

understand with their hearts,

and turn, and I would heal them.’c

16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

Parable #1The Parable of the Sower
(Mark 4:1–9; Luke 8:4–8)

1That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the sea. 2Such large crowds gathered around Him that He got into a boat and sat down, while all the people stood on the shore.

3And He told them many things in parables, saying, “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4And as he was sowing, some seed fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured it.

5Some fell on rocky ground, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun rose, the seedlings were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.

7Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the seedlings.

8Still other seed fell on good soil and produced a crop—a hundredfold, sixtyfold, or thirtyfold.

9He who has ears,let him hear.”

Do you have an ear to hear what Jesus has to say?



A farmer: A christian, a church, ect go out to spread the word. The seed fell on the path, it is hard ground. It had not been broken up and it leaves opportunity for the devil to swoop in and steal the word away before it even has a chance to take hold.

Some of the seed that those christians sowed fell on rocky ground. These people receive the word; they get saved they joyfully except Jesus and then something happens. They don't have deep roots. The church did not prepare the ground, they did not take the time to train them, feed them, teach them how to feed themselves. The sun comes up; the trials come and they do not have the strength to with stand and they fall away, they backslide. Other seed falls in the weeds and they get chocked out. Did these people ever really get saved I am no sure, What is for sure is that again the church the body of believers that planted the seed did not do there preparation they did not help get the ground ready, they did dot help the people learn to study ect; Does that mean that every seed we plant will grow no, does that mean that in every case the people, the church ect. are at fault or did not put in the work NO! Does that mean that the people that did sprout got saved yes. Did they fall away yes. Are they still saved? NO!

Then we have the seed that fell into the good soil, the soil was ready, they were ready, as always God was ready and the church was ready. Some produced 30 fold, 60 fold, and others 100 fold. Just because one produces a 100 fold and one 30 fold does not make them unequal. It means there talents are different. What Jesus wants is each of us to live up to the gifts He has given us.

What do we learn all who call upon the name of the Lord are saved, Just because someone says I am saved and born again does not mean they are; they have to produce fruit. Not everyone that says Lord, Lord will be saves.

Agree with what you posted.

The confession of Jesus Christ, the fruit, and above all love, must be evident at some stage during the Christian life.

Yet the reason for our salvation is not the fruit we bear but Christ alone,, through grace alone.

 

[Cameron143]

I wonder what Jesus was teaching in the following parable?

Mark 2:21-22
“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; otherwise, the patch pulls away from it, the new from the old, and a worse tear results. And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost and the skins as well; but one puts new wine into fresh wineskins.”

Hmmm?

If you read before that particular passage you will find that the religious leaders are questioning the things Jesus says and does. They do so because His teachings and actions are in contrast to their understanding of things. He is bringing new understanding and they are trying their hardest to maintain the status quo. In a sense they are trying to put His teachings into their understanding or their witnessing. But they are well received by the multitudes and thus the old wineskins of the religious leaders are bursting.
The reference to new and old material is much the same.

 

[Cameron143]

If you read before that particular passage you will find that the religious leaders are questioning the things Jesus says and does. They do so because His teachings and actions are in contrast to their understanding of things. He is bringing new understanding and they are trying their hardest to maintain the status quo. In a sense they are trying to put His teachings into their understanding or their witnessing. But they are well received by the multitudes and thus the old wineskins of the religious leaders are bursting.
The reference to new and old material is much the same.

That should be wineskins not witnessing

 

[tourist]

Parables are stories that teach lessons.

2 Timothy 3:16
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

That is correct, sir.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That is correct, sir.

“and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[pottersclay]

Yes

I believe the parables are short stories to be remember and retold. There are many things to glean from their description and contents, also the over all subject.
I also beleive its how GOD sees things in cases.
Jesus used the statement.."consider this" .. in his gospel message...pondering on GODs word is a form of mediation.
Which is a good thing.

Rapture...Yes
6 days in creation..absolutely.

 

[Inquisitor]

If you read before that particular passage you will find that the religious leaders are questioning the things Jesus says and does. They do so because His teachings and actions are in contrast to their understanding of things. He is bringing new understanding and they are trying their hardest to maintain the status quo. In a sense they are trying to put His teachings into their understanding or their witnessing. But they are well received by the multitudes and thus the old wineskins of the religious leaders are bursting.
The reference to new and old material is much the same.

That is a very good reply.

How would you define the "old wineskins", the "unshrunk cloth", more precisely?

 

[Cameron143]

That is a very good reply.

How would you define the "old wineskins", the "unshrunk cloth", more precisely?

The Jewish traditional system. There was nothing wrong with the law. Only their understanding of it.
For instance, in the sermon on the mount Jesus isn't creating new laws but merely showing the true understanding of the commandments. You have heard it said but I say...
Consider also the commandment to love others...it's in Leviticus 19:17-18

 

[Cameron143]

That is a very good reply.

How would you define the "old wineskins", the "unshrunk cloth", more precisely?

In essence the teachings of Jesus of the proper and full understanding of the law wasn't going to be able to be reconciled with their current understanding.
John 3 and Nicodemus is another example. The teaching concerning the Sabbath was another.

 

[Inquisitor]

The Jewish traditional system. There was nothing wrong with the law. Only their understanding of it.
For instance, in the sermon on the mount Jesus isn't creating new laws but merely showing the true understanding of the commandments. You have heard it said but I say...
Consider also the commandment to love others...it's in Leviticus 19:17-18

Are you saying that the 'new wineskin', is simply a different understanding of the law?

 

[Mem]

I wonder what Jesus was teaching in the following parable?

Mark 2:21-22
“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; otherwise, the patch pulls away from it, the new from the old, and a worse tear results. And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost and the skins as well; but one puts new wine into fresh wineskins.”

Hmmm?

This parable follows the question why Jesus' disciples don't fast like John' disciples and the pharisees often do and Jesus answers essentially answers them saying, 'they have Me with them, although there is coming the time they will fast (I believe speaking of the time of his trial and crucifixion here, or perhaps the coming period after His ascension when they will go through their own trials).
Luke 5 adds, "39And no one after drinking old wine wants new, for he says, 'the old is better.'"

The parable of the wineskins illustrates the necessity of wineskin having to 'grow old' together with the wine, and the fabric with the garment in order to match, so I believe it is primarily about compatibility and precisely about why Jesus' disciples were not fasting while John's disciples and pharisees were fasting often. Isn't fasting a practice by which we draw closer to God? They were fasting in yearning to see their deliverance by Messiah, remember John sent a message to Jesus asking, "are you Him?" and Jesus' disciples well, were His disciples because they realized He is Messiah come in their midst.

I've still to work out which is old and new exactly but, at any rate, I gather the former group, John's disciples and pharisees received a sort of comfort in their fasting and so would be strained to the point of bursting if anyone just 'poured' a new wine, "Surprise!" party for them while in their current attitude/condition, not wanting new, that is, as each were thinking he is doing his best at that moment.

 

[Lafftur]

Question

This is not a trick question I really want to know the answer.

Do you believe that Jesus was trying to teach us something from the parables or where they just stories. Just a yes or no or a longer answer is OK too

Tell us… did you have ears to hear what the Spirit was saying? What did you learn? Share with us!

Truly, all the parables were secrets of the Kingdom of God hidden in plain sight…

Only the Holy Spirit can tell us what they mean…

Human reasoning will only lead us on rabbi trails and get us all confused and arguing with each other BUT, the Holy Spirit can give us the Truth and keep the Body of Christ in UNITY.

 

[Lafftur]

I wonder what Jesus was teaching in the following parable?

Mark 2:21-22
“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; otherwise, the patch pulls away from it, the new from the old, and a worse tear results. And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost and the skins as well; but one puts new wine into fresh wineskins.”

Hmmm?

This parable is about receiving the baptism with the Holy Spirit…the infilling and indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the Believer.

it’s the outer and inner appearance of the Holy Spirit.

outer is the patch on the garment and the wine skins is the inner.

 

[Inquisitor]

This parable follows the question why Jesus' disciples don't fast like John' disciples and the pharisees often do and Jesus answers essentially answers them saying, 'they have Me with them, although there is coming the time they will fast (I believe speaking of the time of his trial and crucifixion here, or perhaps the coming period after His ascension when they will go through their own trials).
Luke 5 adds, "39And no one after drinking old wine wants new, for he says, 'the old is better.'"

The parable of the wineskins illustrates the necessity of wineskin having to 'grow old' together with the wine, and the fabric with the garment in order to match, so I believe it is primarily about compatibility and precisely about why Jesus' disciples were not fasting while John's disciples and pharisees were fasting often. Isn't fasting a practice by which we draw closer to God? They were fasting in yearning to see their deliverance by Messiah, remember John sent a message to Jesus asking, "are you Him?" and Jesus' disciples well, were His disciples because they realized He is Messiah come in their midst.

I've still to work out which is old and new exactly but, at any rate, I gather the former group, John's disciples and pharisees received a sort of comfort in their fasting and so would be strained to the point of bursting if anyone just 'poured' a new wine, "Surprise!" party for them while in their current attitude/condition, not wanting new, that is, as each were thinking he is doing his best at that moment.

A good reply but we need to know what precisely the wineskin represents.

 

[Inquisitor]

This parable is about receiving the baptism with the Holy Spirit…the infilling and indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the Believer.

it’s the outer and inner appearance of the Holy Spirit.

outer is the patch on the garment and the wine skins is the inner.

Are you saying the old man against say the new man in Christ?

The old creation undergoes a transformation into a new creation in Christ?

Obviously, the wine is the Holy Spirit.

There is a direct correlation of the wine, with the water into wine for the wedding in Cana, that Jesus supplied. That is, the statement that the wine that Jesus created, was better than the wine they had first served at the wedding. Saved the best for last?

 

[Inquisitor]

This parable follows the question why Jesus' disciples don't fast like John' disciples and the pharisees often do and Jesus answers essentially answers them saying, 'they have Me with them, although there is coming the time they will fast (I believe speaking of the time of his trial and crucifixion here, or perhaps the coming period after His ascension when they will go through their own trials).
Luke 5 adds, "39And no one after drinking old wine wants new, for he says, 'the old is better.'"

The parable of the wineskins illustrates the necessity of wineskin having to 'grow old' together with the wine, and the fabric with the garment in order to match, so I believe it is primarily about compatibility and precisely about why Jesus' disciples were not fasting while John's disciples and pharisees were fasting often. Isn't fasting a practice by which we draw closer to God? They were fasting in yearning to see their deliverance by Messiah, remember John sent a message to Jesus asking, "are you Him?" and Jesus' disciples well, were His disciples because they realized He is Messiah come in their midst.

I've still to work out which is old and new exactly but, at any rate, I gather the former group, John's disciples and pharisees received a sort of comfort in their fasting and so would be strained to the point of bursting if anyone just 'poured' a new wine, "Surprise!" party for them while in their current attitude/condition, not wanting new, that is, as each were thinking he is doing his best at that moment.

Do you think that the fasting represents something deeper or is it a literal reading. Therefore, Christians will fast?

 

[Mem]

A good reply but we need to know what precisely the wineskin represents.

I see there are several thoughts about what that could be but I'm hesitating on reading about each view in detail until I've worked out my own thought crystalizes. Then I can see which one most closely matches mine, and therefore would be more kindred to me. And maybe there's a clue even in that thought, I think.

Researching how new wineskins are made, there may be something of a clue in that they need preparation before they are practicably able to receive new wine. There's also old wineskins' loss of pliability to consider and the description of new patches on old garments as "unshrunk cloth" suggests a stretchy material is fitting for the new and a more rigid for the old is the best match.

Do you think that the fasting represents something deeper or is it a literal reading. Therefore, Christians will fast?

Jesus said, "But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast."
and the parable is followed by the account of Jesus' disciples picking grain on the sabbath and Jesus declaring, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath." in context of which he recounts David and his companions eating the Bread of the Prescence when they were hungry and in need.

It seems to me that, if there is something deeper, it's that when fasting relative to Christians is practicing His absence rather than communing in His Presence, though that might take a minute to see where I am there.

But again, there's also that process of a lengthy preparation to receive new wine, which probably has some correlation to a new harvest so there's figuring out if that's already happened or is yet to...

 

[Runningman]

A good reply but we need to know what precisely the wineskin represents.

I would put forward that a new wineskin is literally a new skin. I think Jesus is talking about the resurrection. New, good, wine was a good thing in Biblical times. Fresh wineskin and some good wine was a good thing.

Matthew 18:20
The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast in that day.

Matt. 18:20 is the key clue as to what He was talking about. Jesus would die and be resurrected. Fasting during the time Jesus was present didn’t really make sense to Him. I think He was saying they needed to fast while He was gone.

This could be for the three days and nights of His death or the period between His ascension and 2nd coming where the dead in Christ will be resurrected.