In general, there is a thing called free will. God wants you as he does everyone but he does not make you. At the end of the day, it is your choice. This is a big topic and needs a lot of thinking through but if that is what you do, then you get to a conclusion.Thanks for your input.
One thing I can't get my head around is the Calvinists' idea of Compatiblist Freedom.
It instinctively seems to me that if God ultimately determines everything, including what we think, desire, etc., how do we have any freedom? Even if we desire certain things, we seemingly aren't ABLE to desire anything different!
Luke 5:
4 When He had finished speaking, He said to Simon, “Go out into the deep water, and let down your nets for a catch.”
5 Simon replied, “Master, we’ve worked hard all night and caught nothing. But at Your word I will let down the nets.”
Peter did not want to really obey. then he chose to. Free Will is all over this text of Scripture.
for you it clearly is not, but you are one example compared to those who claim otherwise.I'm reformed and I believe I freely makes choices.. All humans make their choices freely. So that's not the issue.. Is it
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for you it clearly is not, but you are one example compared to those who claim otherwise.
you therefore believe when God came to you and knocked on your heart that you could have rejected Him but you rather submitted to Him by your own free will?No, all reformed will say every man has a will and with his will he makes his own choices, its not automous (that's Pelagians territory) but none the less actions are done a ideas thought freely from man's will. So what really is the issue..?
(apart from hyper Calvinist.. Like hyper dispensationalism and hyper grace they are in real serious error)
Yes yes submit that "freewill" give it up ... do God's will instead.when Jesus told them to try again, they could have said no. but they said yes. Jesus did not make them say yes. they submitted. until you submit, the act of Free Will, God's Will cannot be done.
excellent Verse: 2 He is the atonement for our sins, and not only for our sins but also ((for the whole world)).I believe Universal Atonement is the Gospel Truth, not Limited Atonement. "He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world." (1 Jn 2:2)
Christ died for all and thus all will receive Sufficient Grace to be saved. The Saints are Predestined to Salvation, yet nobody is "Predestined to Damnation". The idea of Double Predestination is Non-Biblical. There is only Predestination to Heaven.
Even a Non-Christian like Cornelius received Sufficient Grace to be saved, though he did not believe explicitly in Christ yet. How? He prayed to Almighty God, and did Good Works, such as Alms-giving. Because God accepted these, in His Mercy, first an Angel, and then Apostle Peter, was sent to teach him faith in Christ. He then believed in Christ and was baptized and thus saved by God.
Also Acts 10:34: "Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him." is a far cry from the "Total Depravity" Doctrine.
God Bless.
[Edit. Cornelius had said: "30 So Cornelius said, [i]“Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing, 31 and said, ‘Cornelius, your prayer has been heard, and your [j]alms are remembered in the sight of God. 32 Send therefore to Joppa and call Simon here, whose surname is Peter. He is lodging in the house of Simon, a tanner, by the sea. [k]When he comes, he will speak to you.’ 33 So I sent to you immediately, and you have done well to come. Now therefore, we are all present before God, to hear all the things commanded you by God.”
my specific point here was we did assert Free Will when we either Rejected or Submitted to His Calling.Yes yes submit that "freewill" give it up ... do God's will instead.
Present your very selves [including your will] to Him a living sacrifice .... that you might know that good and perfect will of God.
Do you know why God can do this and not be a tyrant as people say?
Because He created everything and He owns everything AND ...
and because He IS love, His will for us is perfect and only good.
It was our will that got us into trouble in the first place only we discovered it wasn't free after all because we died and dead men do not have freewill.
Two things you must do. You must sin and you must die, all the supposed freewill in the world can't stop you. And death controls our life because our lives are spent trying to stay alive. If we don't eat we die, if we don't have shelter we die. So we work until the sweat forms on our brow.
's no such THING as freewill.
Thank God He sent Jesus to rescue us.
I think He is irresistiblemy specific point here was we did assert Free Will when we either Rejected or Submitted to His Calling.
but agreed that after that it is no longer by our Will but by His Will.
One thing I want to point our is that what I mean by "Calvinism" is not necessarily exactly what Calvin meant, but what the likes of James White say.
my specific point here was we did assert Free Will when we either Rejected or Submitted to His Calling.
but agreed that after that it is no longer by our Will but by His Will.
once we submit.I think He is irresistible
once we submit.
but i was born and raised in the Church and came to a point where i easily resisted Him because i chose to do other things. His influence weakened as my interests for a different lifestyle grew.
i will confess that i am thankful He did not allow me to perish during those years. but i had my fill of that life and just drudged through it day by day until i grew so tired of it i wanted no more.
He was there still waiting for me.
since then, i desire to do His Will even when at time i allow myself to get in the way.
That describes a will in bondage, theologically you were in Egypt ... a slaveonce we submit.
but i was born and raised in the Church and came to a point where i easily resisted Him because i chose to do other things. His influence weakened as my interests for a different lifestyle grew.
i will confess that i am thankful He did not allow me to perish during those years. but i had my fill of that life and just drudged through it day by day until i grew so tired of it i wanted no more.
He was there still waiting for me.
since then, i desire to do His Will even when at times i allow myself to get in the way.
God wants willing Followers. until i wanted to be with Him, i was of no use to further His Kingdom.That describes a will in bondage, theologically you were in Egypt ... a slave
What if God had left you there? what if He did not call you out? you woulda died in bondage.
Until a few years ago, I hadn't encountered Calvinism, instinctively thinking it was a form of operation, like methodism, rather than a belief system. To me, it seems wrong and counter-intuitive, but sometimes, if I'm bombarded with assertions over and over again, I tend to start to wonder - "Am I missing something?" "Is there something in this?".
Would anyone like to give his/ her (preferably biblically-based) beliefs on this subject, as I'd like to learn the truth on this subject?
you therefore believe when God came to you and knocked on your heart that you could have rejected Him but you rather submitted to Him by your own free will?
Paul say you were a slave to sin, in bondage to the elementary spirits of the universe ... this is no way to describe freewill.God wants willing Followers. until i wanted to be with Him, i was of no use to further His Kingdom.