And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil
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Where does it say it’s only talking about the physical body? Provided that a person is a body, soul, and spirit I have plenty of reasons to know that Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 is a reference to a wicked persons body, soul, and spirit. This is Christianity 101.
Remember Genesis? God told them the day they eat the fruit they would die. How come their bodies didn’t immediately die? Because God was taking about the immaterial component of their being.
When Ecclesiastes says when the wicked die and they do not know or feel anything, it means there isn’t a conscious soul left over to know or feel anything. Just basic logic should be enough to make this clear to the open-minded reader.
Remember Genesis? God told them the day they eat the fruit they would die. How come their bodies didn’t immediately die? Because God was taking about the immaterial component of their being.
When Ecclesiastes says when the wicked die and they do not know or feel anything, it means there isn’t a conscious soul left over to know or feel anything. Just basic logic should be enough to make this clear to the open-minded reader.
Every dictionary in the word lists the word “punishment” as a singular noun. We went over this. A singular noun means it is one thing. In hell, there are fire and worms so that’s plural punishments, meaning it is more than one thing.
While there may be various facets to the temporary pain in hell or the lake of fire, it isn’t eternal. The eternal punishment (one single thing) is death.
The word you really are confusing this for would be “punishing” which is an adjective. It would describe their eternal state as one of undergoing eternal punishment. So that just isn’t happening in the text.
This is a reading comprehension problem on your part. If you actually could understand what you’re reading you wouldn’t even question what I am saying. You also really want there to be ECT too so there’s a bias element to it.
Me on other hand, if the Bible proved ECT for all of the unsaved I would simply shrug, believe it, then move on. However, it doesn’t. Now I’m here to defend the truth because that’s my character; I’m a very protective person.
While there may be various facets to the temporary pain in hell or the lake of fire, it isn’t eternal. The eternal punishment (one single thing) is death.
The word you really are confusing this for would be “punishing” which is an adjective. It would describe their eternal state as one of undergoing eternal punishment. So that just isn’t happening in the text.
This is a reading comprehension problem on your part. If you actually could understand what you’re reading you wouldn’t even question what I am saying. You also really want there to be ECT too so there’s a bias element to it.
Me on other hand, if the Bible proved ECT for all of the unsaved I would simply shrug, believe it, then move on. However, it doesn’t. Now I’m here to defend the truth because that’s my character; I’m a very protective person.
I was just looking this moment at Genesis 2:17 when the LORD commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Surely there is significance in the LORD telling Adam, effectively, "you will 'die' (twice) in that verse. Retrospectively, it brings to my mind the second death.
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Consider too that from before time began and the creation of all that is, God
made provision specifically so Adam and Eve (mankind) would not live forever in
their sinful state. Yet here we have so many claiming that is God's plan all along.
They promote the lie of Satan at the heart of the fall of man and corruption of all creation.
made provision specifically so Adam and Eve (mankind) would not live forever in
their sinful state. Yet here we have so many claiming that is God's plan all along.
They promote the lie of Satan at the heart of the fall of man and corruption of all creation.
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The lie is/was, you shall not die. They did become like God in knowing good and evil 
Some say that was one of Satan's lies, but God agreed with that statement, so it was not a lie
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil.
And now, lest he reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever...”
Then A&E were banished from the garden and the tree of Life guarded
so they could not eat from it and live forever in their sinful state.
Some say that was one of Satan's lies, but God agreed with that statement, so it was not a lie
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil.
And now, lest he reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever...”
Then A&E were banished from the garden and the tree of Life guarded
so they could not eat from it and live forever in their sinful state.
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