The glory of God in heaven and hell
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God gets glory in the revealing of Himself. That's why He made man in His image. Having done so He told man to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. The idea was that as man reproduced and filled the earth the image of God would fill the earth. Thus fulfilling Habakkuk 2:14...the earth would be filled with the knowledge of the glory of God. But sin entered and marred the image of God in man. Salvation is to restore the image of God in man as the redeemed are remade in the image of Christ.
Salvation allows God to be known in love and mercy and grace among other things. Damnation allows God to reveal His sovereignty and omnipotence and holiness among other attributes also.
Salvation allows God to be known in love and mercy and grace among other things. Damnation allows God to reveal His sovereignty and omnipotence and holiness among other attributes also.
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Jesus paid the price of our sin, which is death, even though this was not His debt. This is the not any 'natural' impulse since it goes against the self-preservative natural instincts inherent in the 'only the strongest' earthly mentality toward survival that is commonly displayed in mortal man, birds, animals, and reptiles. This is the glory of self-sacrifice.
Because the unrepentant 'exchanged the glory of God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles" and "exchanged the truth of God for a lie" they "did not see fit to acknowledge God" and "they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do such things, but also approve of those who practice them" they show they do not consider the price to be of any considerate amount, as if it were a little price to pay, as nothing of value, and in so doing are effectively insisting, 'meh, I can pay it myself, so long as I can have my bowl of red beans now". I think God displays His glory here in the form of self-denial, not in the sense that he can deny Himself, I mean, but in that "if you deny Me, I will deny you before my Father" and allow you that which you desire most, "Therefor God gave them over in the desires of their hearts..."
*All scripture quoted from Romans 1
Because the unrepentant 'exchanged the glory of God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles" and "exchanged the truth of God for a lie" they "did not see fit to acknowledge God" and "they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do such things, but also approve of those who practice them" they show they do not consider the price to be of any considerate amount, as if it were a little price to pay, as nothing of value, and in so doing are effectively insisting, 'meh, I can pay it myself, so long as I can have my bowl of red beans now". I think God displays His glory here in the form of self-denial, not in the sense that he can deny Himself, I mean, but in that "if you deny Me, I will deny you before my Father" and allow you that which you desire most, "Therefor God gave them over in the desires of their hearts..."
*All scripture quoted from Romans 1
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Perhaps meditation on how God will one day separate good, joy , gladness and al that is of Love, from evil, pain tormentors and all who do not have any inclination to love once and for all.
All who accept the Light and remain in it in spirit and truth will be separated from all who hate the Lignt and love evil forever, for thes cannot coexist anywhere except perhaps in this age, and soonenough there will be an open rift between the two.
Praise God He is worthy, and let us all pray we are given by Him allnecessary fro what is coming in this age.
All who accept the Light and remain in it in spirit and truth will be separated from all who hate the Lignt and love evil forever, for thes cannot coexist anywhere except perhaps in this age, and soonenough there will be an open rift between the two.
Praise God He is worthy, and let us all pray we are given by Him allnecessary fro what is coming in this age.
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My view on statements in OP
In what way does God get the glory in saving those who come to him in faith.?
Psalm 19:1
The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
God is Glory ----we can put God's Glory on Display or Reflect on us here ---by and through having God in us ----when we receive salvation we become a new creation -----the old has passed away ------and we bear good fruit and by bearing good fruit God's Glory shins through us ------When we serve the poor God's Glory shines through us by doing God's Will ----
Right Faith comes from God ------so by believing in the unseen realm we allow God's Glory to shine down upon us -----as it pleases God
As far as the second Question goes -----which is
And in what way does God get the glory by sending the unrepentant to And in what way does God get the glory by sending the unrepentant to everlasting punishment??
I say ---------God gets no Glory in anyone going to everlasting punishment -----God wants all people saved -----God's Glory is in His Salvation
Furthermore God does not send anyone to everlasting punishment? ----this is just False doctrine -----
-People send their themselves there ---FOLKS--------God sent His Son --all is free to accept His free gift of Salvation ----God gave people free choice to Choose ---Life or Death -----and God said Choose LIFE ----
-Not God's fault if people do not want to accept God's offer of Salvation and choose the 2nd death ------
It is a personal choice to send ones self to everlasting punishment -------
We humans need to start taking responsibility for our bad choices instead of Blaming God or others for what we choose to do -----and know this -----if you reject God the Son --you also Reject God the Father and God the Holy Spirit -----and your for sure SOL for Eternal Life ------your choice ----
God is Holy and NO Wickedness can enter His Holy Space ----nor can He entertain any kind of Wickedness -----it Grieves God where Wickedness id displayed ----
In what way does God get the glory in saving those who come to him in faith.?
Psalm 19:1
The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
God is Glory ----we can put God's Glory on Display or Reflect on us here ---by and through having God in us ----when we receive salvation we become a new creation -----the old has passed away ------and we bear good fruit and by bearing good fruit God's Glory shins through us ------When we serve the poor God's Glory shines through us by doing God's Will ----
Right Faith comes from God ------so by believing in the unseen realm we allow God's Glory to shine down upon us -----as it pleases God
As far as the second Question goes -----which is
And in what way does God get the glory by sending the unrepentant to And in what way does God get the glory by sending the unrepentant to everlasting punishment??
I say ---------God gets no Glory in anyone going to everlasting punishment -----God wants all people saved -----God's Glory is in His Salvation
Furthermore God does not send anyone to everlasting punishment? ----this is just False doctrine -----
-People send their themselves there ---FOLKS--------God sent His Son --all is free to accept His free gift of Salvation ----God gave people free choice to Choose ---Life or Death -----and God said Choose LIFE ----
-Not God's fault if people do not want to accept God's offer of Salvation and choose the 2nd death ------
It is a personal choice to send ones self to everlasting punishment -------
We humans need to start taking responsibility for our bad choices instead of Blaming God or others for what we choose to do -----and know this -----if you reject God the Son --you also Reject God the Father and God the Holy Spirit -----and your for sure SOL for Eternal Life ------your choice ----
God is Holy and NO Wickedness can enter His Holy Space ----nor can He entertain any kind of Wickedness -----it Grieves God where Wickedness id displayed ----
as I've continued with thoughts on Jesus' words, "If you deny Me, I will deny you before my Father," I realize that rejecting Christ is, essentially, rejecting oneself, and this turns back to the thought of defacing God's image, of which you all are created after. And this led to the consideration of His words, "you must be born again" with the revelation of not so much a second birth as much as (re?) affirming this birth retrospectively. As this is not a physical reaffirmation of a natural birth, but a return from the rejection of our spiritual as much as natural (complete) inheritance as in the beginning of creation, as children of God. A realization that He is our Father, first, even from the womb, before we given to be begotten of any natural father or born of any mother.
Not sure if anybody'd get this but, I wanted to write it down somewhere if just to help me process this reality. God IS my, our, Father!
Not sure if anybody'd get this but, I wanted to write it down somewhere if just to help me process this reality. God IS my, our, Father!
I say a whole lot of things that others don't get at first glance. For example, I'd coined a phrase, "I'm going to kill you so hard that you die to death." Well, this looks to be an awfully ill-willed sentiment but with closer examination, this results in living forever, or 'dying to death.' Ok so, nobody gets it but the spirit in which the saying was birth remains.
I don't mean to enter into a word game but, to explain my language choice, I see a slight nuance between denying oneself and rejecting oneself. Considering how Christ came to mediate between God and man, i.e. He represents both God and man, I see rejecting Him as rejecting our representation in the covenant. Jesus satisfied the terms Father demands, that we die, and also the terms that we plead for, mercy.
So, in His having obtained mercy for us, and so much more in procuring for us an inheritance as God's children, rejecting this, or denying Him as Father, is rejecting the birthright provided us, just as Esau, the man of the field, did, you see. On the other hand, Jacob, who dwelt in tents, coveted the inheritance and bargained with him for it. And got it, such a rich inheritance of the kingdom that is to come, for a bowl of beans.
In agreeing for the trade, Esau rejected his identity, the rightful heir, for the spoils of the current kingdom, a bowl of beans. Esau regarded the beans that he could have immediately of more value than Jacob who, by faith, valued what he could not yet see but believed the promise of God for that which is to come.
So, you see, Jacob did deny himself the 'soup of the day,' but Esau rejected who he was born to be.
I don't mean to enter into a word game but, to explain my language choice, I see a slight nuance between denying oneself and rejecting oneself. Considering how Christ came to mediate between God and man, i.e. He represents both God and man, I see rejecting Him as rejecting our representation in the covenant. Jesus satisfied the terms Father demands, that we die, and also the terms that we plead for, mercy.
So, in His having obtained mercy for us, and so much more in procuring for us an inheritance as God's children, rejecting this, or denying Him as Father, is rejecting the birthright provided us, just as Esau, the man of the field, did, you see. On the other hand, Jacob, who dwelt in tents, coveted the inheritance and bargained with him for it. And got it, such a rich inheritance of the kingdom that is to come, for a bowl of beans.
In agreeing for the trade, Esau rejected his identity, the rightful heir, for the spoils of the current kingdom, a bowl of beans. Esau regarded the beans that he could have immediately of more value than Jacob who, by faith, valued what he could not yet see but believed the promise of God for that which is to come.
So, you see, Jacob did deny himself the 'soup of the day,' but Esau rejected who he was born to be.