BEWARE OF LEAVEN (Sin), EAT UNLEAVENED BREAD AND LIVE

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BroTan

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Those things like the feasts established in Moses law were figures foretelling Christ and the gospel who fulfilled them

literally everything g Moses and the prophets wrote leads to Jesus and the gospel

“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:39-40, 45-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one of the things Moses wrote about Jesus was

“And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:17-19‬ ‭a

peter claims that’s about Jesus and his word

“….God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:21-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


And Jesus was claiming this

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see that is why jesus is saying this

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that is the fathers word spoken in christ
And so

“Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. As he spake these words, many believed on him.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:28-32, 51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is all true because it’s Gods word in him Gods speaking in Christ through him to mankind

“Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?

he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Tha why his word on the gospel is the central foundation of faith it’s the word that God was promising for centuries that finally came to save man. It’s his own annointed world of life and spirit

Christs words arent Moses words Christs words are those he preached in the gospel

they are the reality of Moses shadows and symbols

The Apostle Paul and other Apostles didn’t do away with the Lord’s feasts. To the contrary, they knew the importance of these days and continued to observe them, even after Jesus was resurrected. Paul said, “...I must by all means keep this feast...” (Acts 18:21) and it is also written, “And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread...” (Acts 20: 6). Obviously Paul understood what a lot of people don’t understand today, and that is The Feast of Unleavened Bread is to be observed “by an ordinance forever” (Exodus 12:17). This observance is so important to God; he issued it with the death penalty if ignored. “...for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel” (Exodus 12:15).
 

BroTan

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No, Jesus did not teach that Christians should observe the Jewish Passover. Or any other Jewish feast.

The spirit of His words were to believe in the broken body and shed blood and that it applies to me. That is what gives me eternal life.

The fact that Jesus was talking about spiritually eating and drinking should make sense to the person who is born again.

The Christian communion or Lord's Supper is a public declaration of a spiritual reality that we do as an act of Praising Jesus Christ for what he has done for us.

Read Hebrews and understand it and you will flee from every false teacher that tries to tell you that you should observe Jewish feasts. It is a major red flag of false teachers.

Many people who choose to ignore this feast should reexamine their teaching. Unfortunately, the majority of people (many are called but few are chosen) have not learned that there is only one true way to worship God. We leave you with the same warning Jesus gave to his Apostles, “...Take heed and beware of the leaven (doctrine) of the Pharisees and Sadducees” (Matthew 16:6, 12). Observing this great feast is a sign that you are worshipping the true God correctly. Praise God! Remember Jesus says in Hebrews 13: 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
 

Amanuensis

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The Apostle Paul and other Apostles didn’t do away with the Lord’s feasts. To the contrary, they knew the importance of these days and continued to observe them, even after Jesus was resurrected. Paul said, “...I must by all means keep this feast...” (Acts 18:21) and it is also written, “And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread...” (Acts 20: 6). Obviously Paul understood what a lot of people don’t understand today, and that is The Feast of Unleavened Bread is to be observed “by an ordinance forever” (Exodus 12:17). This observance is so important to God; he issued it with the death penalty if ignored. “...for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel” (Exodus 12:15). Use some verses and scriptures if you respond please.
“We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.”
 

Amanuensis

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Many people who choose to ignore this feast should reexamine their teaching. Unfortunately, the majority of people (many are called but few are chosen) have not learned that there is only one true way to worship God. We leave you with the same warning Jesus gave to his Apostles, “...Take heed and beware of the leaven (doctrine) of the Pharisees and Sadducees” (Matthew 16:6, 12). Observing this great feast is a sign that you are worshipping the true God correctly. Praise God! Remember Jesus says in Hebrews 13: 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Ironic that you quote the Passage that condemns your false teaching.

This very passage teaches to reject the false teachers that would try to tell them that they should observe Jewish feasts in Jerusalem or partake of the brazen altar or other Jewish cultic practices to add to what Jesus had already done for them.

Their leaders who Preached salvation by Jesus was to be remembered and that that message had not changed.


7Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

9Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

10We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

11For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

12Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

13Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

If someone teaches that people must observe these Jewish ordinances in the Jewish way to be saved they have no right to the true altar which is Jesus Christ.
 

BroTan

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Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Ironic that you quote the Passage that condemns your false teaching.

This very passage teaches to reject the false teachers that would try to tell them that they should observe Jewish feasts in Jerusalem or partake of the brazen altar or other Jewish cultic practices to add to what Jesus had already done for them.

Their leaders who Preached salvation by Jesus was to be remembered and that that message had not changed.


7Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

9Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

10We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

11For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

12Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

13Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

If someone teaches that people must observe these Jewish ordinances in the Jewish way to be saved they have no right to the true altar which is Jesus Christ.
So you saying Paul kept these Jewish feast after the death of Jesus and he is altering Christ. That's what you saying, because Paul and other Apostles didn’t do away with the Lord’s feasts. To the contrary, they knew the importance of these days and continued to observe them, even after Jesus was resurrected. Paul said, “...I must by all means keep this feast...” (Acts 18:21) and it is also written, “And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread...” (Acts 20: 6). Obviously Paul understood what a lot of people don’t understand today, and that is The Feast of Unleavened Bread is to be observed “by an ordinance forever” (Exodus 12:17). This observance is so important to God; he issued it with the death penalty if ignored. “...for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel” (Exodus 12:15).

After we come under the blood of Jesus, by baptism, we must be committed to walking with him in truth (unleavened bread), leaving behind all falsehood (leavening). Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth” (I Corinthians 5:7,8).
 

Amanuensis

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So you saying Paul kept these Jewish feast after the death of Jesus and he is altering Christ. That's what you saying, because Paul and other Apostles didn’t do away with the Lord’s feasts. To the contrary, they knew the importance of these days and continued to observe them, even after Jesus was resurrected. Paul said, “...I must by all means keep this feast...” (Acts 18:21) and it is also written, “And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread...” (Acts 20: 6). Obviously Paul understood what a lot of people don’t understand today, and that is The Feast of Unleavened Bread is to be observed “by an ordinance forever” (Exodus 12:17). This observance is so important to God; he issued it with the death penalty if ignored. “...for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel” (Exodus 12:15).

After we come under the blood of Jesus, by baptism, we must be committed to walking with him in truth (unleavened bread), leaving behind all falsehood (leavening). Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth” (I Corinthians 5:7,8).
1 Cor 5 is not telling you to observe the Jewish Passover in accordance with OT ritual.

Paul did not think he was not going to be saved if he did not keep that feast. If you think that then you better get to Jerusalem. You better do it like he did.

Paul had a lot to say about not telling Gentiles to observe Jewish customs he specifically mentions, circumcision, feasts, sabbaths (which were most feasts) holy days, and such things. Why would you take the exact opposite approach and try and tell people that gentiles need to keep Jewish feasts?

How is it that you can't comprehend that Paul who was a Jew chose to observe Jewish customs but not for salvation, and yet he did not expect Gentiles to do so? How is it that you would think that Paul who said so much about not being saved by observing Jewish customs would then teach that one must observe Jewish customs to be saved?

Are you just trolling? Sometimes I can't tell. We get some people saying things that they know are wrong just to start an argument for entertainment purposes. No one can read the letters of Paul and think he taught that one must keep a Jewish feast in Jerusalem to be saved.
 

BroTan

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1 Cor 5 is not telling you to observe the Jewish Passover in accordance with OT ritual.

Paul did not think he was not going to be saved if he did not keep that feast. If you think that then you better get to Jerusalem. You better do it like he did.

Paul had a lot to say about not telling Gentiles to observe Jewish customs he specifically mentions, circumcision, feasts, sabbaths (which were most feasts) holy days, and such things. Why would you take the exact opposite approach and try and tell people that gentiles need to keep Jewish feasts?

How is it that you can't comprehend that Paul who was a Jew chose to observe Jewish customs but not for salvation, and yet he did not expect Gentiles to do so? How is it that you would think that Paul who said so much about not being saved by observing Jewish customs would then teach that one must observe Jewish customs to be saved?

Are you just trolling? Sometimes I can't tell. We get some people saying things that they know are wrong just to start an argument for entertainment purposes. No one can read the letters of Paul and think he taught that one must keep a Jewish feast in Jerusalem to be saved.

Paul says in Colossians 2: 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. The holydays High Sabbaths days were kept long after the death of Jesus and still to this day. These are the Lord's days not the Jews, or Jewish people. In the scriptures it's written in Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you. Paul said in Ephesians 2: 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 - And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Paul talking to the Gentiles here. You don't seem to read the book, or have clear understanding what you reading. You have read from Genesis to revelation and pray for understanding.
 

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You probably want to rethink that one.

Since Jesus said "this is my body which was broken for you" it would be obvious he was talking about the crucifixion in general as well as the floggings. He wasn't talking about bones specifically. It is still accurate for Jesus to say "my body which was broken for you" and not be referring to bones.

And since Jesus said "this is my body which is broken for you" It would not be a good idea to state "Jesus body was not broken for us"
It does not say broken for you. It says given for you
 

Amanuensis

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It does not say broken for you. It says given for you
Maybe both broken and given are added.
Here is the CSB
1 Cor 11:24 and when he had given thanks, broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”

The Old Latin and Syriac traditions, followed by the MajT, add κλώμενον (“broken”); the Vulgate, Coptic, and Ethiopic versions add “given” from Luke 22:19. It is missing in P46 * A B C* 6 33 1739* Origen Cyprian.
The diversity of traditions in itself indicates that the words are not original. (Metzger, 496)

Fee, Gordon D.. The First Epistle to the Corinthians, Revised Edition (The New International Commentary on the New Testament) (p. 928). Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing

And yet no one who says His body was broken for us ever meant that his bones were broken but only that his body was mistreated, after all it does say that by His Stripes we are healed and how he was bruised for our iniquities and several other verses that we use to explain our meaning when we quote the KJV "broken for you".

I won't be correcting anyone over this but when I give the communion I will probably stop using the KJV and just mention the other verses about bruising, and stripes and chastisement. They make a much better point and arrest the attention of the hearers even more than the word "broken" does.

Thanks for pointing this out. I learned something from you.