I believed that God has fulfilled his promise in preserving his pure words. Where do you think they are? Do you have the word of God?
BELIEFS ABOUT THE KJV
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I believed that God has fulfilled his promise in preserving his pure words. Where do you think they are? Do you have the word of God?
This is an evangelical linguist who has done a LOT of research into the existing ancient manuscripts. He likes to keep things simple for his audience rather than trying to impress with technical terminology. I don't agree with all of his doctrinal views; however, he made a MAJOR discovery about the texts from which the modern translations & paraphrases are based upon. For that alone, I find his research more than worthy of consideration.
He has dispelled the "oldest and best" claim that I heard over and over ad nauseum since I was a believer. Do you want to hear more about that?
That is the argument that usually goes unchallenged so enough mud was slung by detractors of the Bible to get it to stick to some people's thinking.
I don't have time to explain today, but if you are interested will later or provide the answer. It's likely not been heard and considered by most here.
LOL - No, I do not need an Oxford dictionary -- I grew up with and was taught the language of the KJV. I have found it to be a very accurate and exact translation that gives clear meaning to some of the more difficult Scripture passages. On the other hand, I often use newer translations like the NIV and the ESV when doing reading especially in the OT prophets and historical books because I find the language easier to follow.
I understand completely why for many people modern versions are better and easier to understand. But sometimes for someone like me who does a lot of intense passage and word study the KJV is very exact and straight-forward.
PS: that was not a criticism of you. I too believed that same claim until I dug and found out another piece to that puzzle.
As I have stated clearly before, what God “can” do is quite thoroughly irrelevant. On this subject, what He “has” done is what matters.Do you believe that God can speak English? Is he limited? Can God have his words translated into the English language and that translation be the pure words of God for the English language? Think this through clearly.
Where does God promise that His words (plural) will be preserved?
And who pray-tell-me authorized Mister James?
This in no way indicates that they were not aided by the Hoy Spirit. We are still aided by the HS every time we read it. God does not sleep or slumber. Neither does His Spirit.
The KJV is sufficient to be used by God to speak to me.
it’s crazy huh ?
there’s no proof it’s authorized by God ?there’s no “proof “of any version being better than another or more approved by God than any other version
what is sort of comical is the method by which kjv was translated it’s by far the most stringent and careful in history .
More than 50 random unconnected linguistic experts the best scholars in the world assembled several teams working separately so as to translate and then another group would check and revise and another group then check and revise until they reached a consensus this took several years to accomplish by the foremost language and textual experts in the world more than 50 of them
the method of translation is by far the most equipped to produce an accurate translation , this doesn’t mean for instance the niv is “ not of God “ or the nlt is “ not of God “ lol it’s crazy how when we ourselves find a preference how quickly all the other versions become “ corrupt “ and “ unreliable “
You could put tonchristians on an island give an older one a kjv and a younger one an niv and both would have in tbier hands the word of God that Carries the message of Jesus Christ and the gospel of thier salvstion and both would come to know the lord , both would receive the hilt ghost if they followed what he said about it in either version
it’s silly when we can’t agree we look for any reason any at all to explain the difference anything rather than changing our mind
you could take nearly any version of the Bible if it’s not an intentional deception and your going to learn the same truths about Jesus and life everlasting , same message about sin and repentance . The same salvstion exists in the Bible no matter which English translation you look at
God didn’t base his plan on mans ability he purposes his plan on his ability to spread the word throughout the earth this requires that it be given in many languages and versions so people can hear and understand it who maybe don’t understand the kjv antiquaited language other translations are fine , so is the kjv
we focus on the wrong things we should try to learn what’s in the Bible whatever version we can read and understand
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“And the gospel must first be published among all nations.”
Mark 13:10 KJV
Gods plan is to speak his word to all nations this requires it to be spoken on every language , translated into every language
several translations are part of Gods plan to reach everyone regardless of what language they speak , regardless of their level of education and ability to understand complex translations with complex words they don’t use or understand well
there are versions with simpler words but they say the same things to the reader who understands the simpler words
there are versions in many languages and varying degrees of complexity of the terms used to translate the message into English
if God determined the gospel would be preached to everyone of all nations , then he’s said he would preserve his word until the end as tbat first quote there
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
the Hebrew Aramaic and Greek are just the starting point , the latter translations are also a required part of the plan to reach people with Gods word no matter what thier language or education is
Gods word is still the same as always since he spoke his words we still can hear them in the gospel even today we know what Jesus said nearly 2000 years ago someone in Israel knows and can know someone in Australia knows and can know , ASIa France Europe Germany South Africa Africa anywhere and however you speak me where near you is a Bible or someone who’s preaching the message from the Bible in your own language
in order for all man to hear the gospel God has caused it to be spoken to then in ways they can hear and grasp it and be saved
6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.
2 This same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made.
4 in it was life, and that life was the light of men.
Before the KJV
this is Comedy Central at its finest!
obviously, this guy is quite unaware that the Vulgate was the first Bible using the most authentic and original Greek for the New Testament and Volumes 1 thru 6 have NEVER INCLUDED the modern day 1 John 5:7-8 nor the rest of Mark 16.
even the online version of the Vulgate, written in 400 AD, the Vulgate is done in black ink and the verses for 1 John 5:7-8 - Mark 16:9-finish are highlighted in red ink to show the Modern Text has ADDED to the Word of God!
the guy in this video is priceless.
he's blaming a Codex but refuses to look at the very first Vulgate Bible and see they match up word for word. the Vulgate has the most Authentic Greek available in 380 AD and somehow the Codex S matches that and this guy calls it a fake
The original edition of the King James translation also included the apocryphal books. If the KJV has some special
providential inspiration not found in any other translation, was it inspired only after The Apocrypha was removed?
providential inspiration not found in any other translation, was it inspired only after The Apocrypha was removed?
Do you believe that God can speak English? Is he limited? Can God have his words translated into the English language and that translation be the pure words of God for the English language? Think this through clearly.
The rule of hermeneutics and exegesis is to ascertain what the original author meant in his original language in it's original context and this is what GOD was speaking through him. Authorial Intent.
If any English translation does that it is a good translation. If any Spanish translation does that it is a good translation. If any German translation does that it is a good translation.
I don't know enough yet to make too many conclusions but as I learn I am leaning toward, NIV, CSB, ESV, and several others as all being improvements over the KJV but not necessarily for every verse. There are occasions when scholars I am reading will say that the KJV did a better job on a verse than the NIV. So it always depends on the verse in question as to which is the best translation, or did the best job of accomplishing the goal of authorial intent.
The KJV is not the original source manuscripts. Let's keep it sane. God did not inspire the KJV scholars to translate any more than other born again scholars who have worked on translations since the KJV.
Translation is a science that faces the same challenges that the KJV scholars faced and can be addressed in the same way that they did it, except with even more manuscripts available than what they had, and more knowledge about other documents from the same time period than what they had.
Inventing a doctrine that the KJV scholars were inspired to not make a mistake or something like that is fanatical ignorance. They made a mistake when they called lampstands in Rev Candlesticks as in wax candles which were popular at KJV time but not invented yet in Johns time. They were oil fed lamps and lampstands that John saw and all other English translations got that.
So there goes the theory that the KJV was more accurate. They blew it on wax candlesticks. NOT ACCURATE. NOT the Greek word used. NOT WHAT JOHN SAW, NOT WHAT JOHN MEANT TO COMMUNICATE. MISTAKE on KJV scholars part. I refuse to say that John saw candlesticks. No he didn't. He saw oil fed lamps and that matters. Accuracy matters to me. That is why I prefer some of the other more ACCURATE translations than the KJV.
And also if you are having to reword the text into modern English when quoting it to someone who is not familiar with KJV it is better to use a translation that is already using modern English like the CSB. Why? I hear people trying to change a KJV verse into modern English and they make mistakes. They ought to just use a modern translation that is known for being literal to the original language while using modern English like the CSB.
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