Scripture is Our Source of Truth???????????

[TheLearner]

First Council of Nicæa (A.D. 325)

Canon 12
As many as were called by grace,
The Synodal Letter
To the Church of Alexandria, by the grace of God, holy and great; and to our well-beloved brethren, the orthodox clergy and laity throughout Egypt, and Pentapolis, and Lybia, and every nation under heaven, the holy and great synod, the bishops assembled at Nicea, wish health in the Lord .

Forasmuch as the great and holy Synod, which was assembled at Niece through the grace of Christ ...
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3801.htm

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/15061.htm
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1510.htm
https://www.catholic.com/tract/what-the-early-church-believed-faith-and-works

Salvation from the Perspective of the Early Church Fathershttps://chnetwork.org › Blog
Mar 16, 2010 — Nonetheless, the Fathers of the Church had written on related matters concerning salvation, such as the role of faith and grace, the role of ...

Google early church fathers writings on Grace
https://www.newadvent.org/utility/s...lr-8x0&q=saved+by+GRACE&sa=Search&cof=FORID:9
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13407a.htm
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06689x.htm
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2802.htm
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/210219.htm
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1510.htm
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/240114.htm
Council of Neocæsarea (A.D. 315)
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1304.htm

 

[TheLearner]

I am not keeping up. ahhh

 

[TheLearner]

skipped to here

 

[Pilgrimshope]

But we all disagree with each other as to the meaning of Scripture, the Old and New Testament. Whose interpretation of Scripture is authoritative?

Brother the new testsment is the fulfillment or “answers” for the thkngs the old was saying

what I mean is this needed to be interpreted long ago when it was foretold

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭

this then , is the fulfillment of that promise and needs to be accepted and believed and actually not interpreted but heard and believed because it’s not a mystery but a revelation of prophecy

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

See how the old leaves more to be said , but the new interprets what it meant ?

the Old Testament is a witness of Christ and his gospel

“and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

….Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:20-21, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


They were all foretelling Jesus and the gospel to come , from his birth there to his baptism , his miracles and ministry , his suffering and death , resurrection and ascention to the throne in heaven

what I’m trying to say is if we need to understand the old testsment we can just believe what happened in the New Testament because that’s where it leads to the New Testament

so my own opinion is that the Bible interprets itself

from this mysterious saying 750 years before Jesus was born


“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭53:5-6, 10-11‬ ‭

to Paul’s teachings about Jesus dying for our sins as one half of the atonement patterned after the sin sacrifice and being raised to life bearing our sins as the other half of it the scapegoat

we need to hear and accept it , not interpret it it is constructed we learn and grow from searching for truth in the scriptures instead of letting our thinking change what’s there we need to let what’s there change our thinking and interpret it for us

“But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:14-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Right there it is "διδαχη". Didaska. Doctrine

so, the 1516 textus receptus is caught red handed applying FALSE MEANING!

Translations of διδαχή
noun
teaching
διδασκαλία, διδαχή

 

[TheLearner]

so, the 1516 textus receptus is caught red handed applying FALSE MEANING!

Translations of διδαχή
noun
teaching
διδασκαλία, διδαχή

1322. didaché ►
Strong's Concordance
didaché: doctrine, teaching
Original Word: διδαχή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: didaché
Phonetic Spelling: (did-akh-ay')
Definition: doctrine, teaching
Usage: teaching, doctrine, what is taught.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1322 didax (from 1321 /didáskō, "to teach") – established teaching, especially a "summarized" body of respected teaching (viewed as reliable, time-honored).

[The NT uses two feminine nouns (1319 /didaskalía, 1322 /didaxḗ) from the same root. For more on this see 1319 /didaskalía ("applied-teaching, systematic theology").]


NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from didaskó
Definition
doctrine, teaching
NASB Translation
instruction (2), teaching (27), teachings (1).

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1322: διδαχή

διδαχή, διδαχῆς ἡ (διδάσκω) (from Herodotus down);
1. teaching, viz. that which is taught: Mark 1:27; John 7:16; Acts 17:19; Rom. (); ; 2 John 1:10; Revelation 2:24; ἡ διδαχή τίνος, one's doctrine, i. e. what he teaches: Matthew 7:28; Matthew 16:12; Matthew 22:33; Mark 1:22; Mark 11:18; Luke 4:32; John 18:19; Acts 5:28; Revelation 2:14f; ἡ διδαχή of God, τοῦ κυρίου, τοῦ Χριστοῦ, the doctrine which has God, Christ, the Lord, for its author and supporter: John 7:17; Acts 13:12; 2 John 1:9; with the genitive of the object, doctrine, teaching, concerning something: Hebrews 6:2 (Winer's Grammar, 187 (176); 192 (181); 551 (513)); plural Hebrews 13:9.

2. (the act of) teaching, instruction, (cf. διδασκαλία (on the supposed distinction between the two words and their use in the N. T. see Ellicott on 2 Timothy 4:2; they are associated in 2 Timothy 4:2, 3; Titus 1:9)): Acts 2:42; 2 Timothy 4:2; ἐν τῇ διδαχή, while he was teaching, a phrase by which the Evangelist indicates that he is about to cite some of the many words which Jesus spoke at that time, Mark 4:2; Mark 12:38; τοῦ κατά τήν διδαχήν πιστοῦ λόγου, the faithful word which is in accordance with the received (2 Timothy 3:14) instruction, Titus 1:9; in particular, the teaching of the διδάσκαλος (which see 6) in the religious assemblies of Christians: λαλεῖν ἐν διδαχή, to speak in the way of teaching, in distinction from other modes of speaking in public, 1 Corinthians 14:6; ἔχω διδαχήν, to have something to teach, 1 Corinthians 14:26.



Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
doctrine, teaching
From didasko; instruction (the act or the matter) -- doctrine, hath been taught.

see GREEK didasko

Forms and Transliterations
διδαχαις διδαχαίς διδαχαῖς διδαχη διδαχή διδαχὴ διδαχῇ διδαχην διδαχήν διδαχὴν διδαχης διδαχής διδαχῆς didachais didachaîs didache didachē didachḗ didachḕ didachêi didachē̂i didachen didachēn didachḕn didaches didachês didachēs didachē̂s
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[The_Watchers_2017]

Without guidance by the Early Church Leaders that the Apostles taught you are going to fall into false teachings.

but i didn't and i don't adhere to creeds only to Biblical Truths!

 

[TheLearner]

Englishman's Concordance
Matthew 7:28 N-DFS
GRK: ἐπὶ τῇ διδαχῇ αὐτοῦ
NAS: were amazed at His teaching;
KJV: at his doctrine:
INT: at the teaching of him
Matthew 16:12 N-GFS
GRK: ἀπὸ τῆς διδαχῆς τῶν Φαρισαίων
NAS: of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees
KJV: of the doctrine of the Pharisees
INT: of the teaching of the Pharisees

Matthew 22:33 N-DFS
GRK: ἐπὶ τῇ διδαχῇ αὐτοῦ
NAS: [this], they were astonished at His teaching.
KJV: at his doctrine.
INT: at the teaching of him

Mark 1:22 N-DFS
GRK: ἐπὶ τῇ διδαχῇ αὐτοῦ ἦν
NAS: They were amazed at His teaching; for He was teaching
KJV: at his doctrine: for he taught
INT: at the teaching of him he was

Mark 1:27 N-NFS
GRK: ἐστιν τοῦτο διδαχὴ καινή κατ'
NAS: A new teaching with authority!
KJV: what new doctrine [is] this? for
INT: is this teaching new With

Mark 4:2 N-DFS
GRK: ἐν τῇ διδαχῇ αὐτοῦ
NAS: and was saying to them in His teaching,
KJV: in his doctrine,
INT: in the teaching of him

Mark 11:18 N-DFS
GRK: ἐπὶ τῇ διδαχῇ αὐτοῦ
NAS: crowd was astonished at His teaching.
KJV: at his doctrine.
INT: at the teaching of him

Mark 12:38 N-DFS
GRK: ἐν τῇ διδαχῇ αὐτοῦ ἔλεγεν
NAS: In His teaching He was saying: Beware
KJV: in his doctrine, Beware of
INT: in the teaching of him he said

Luke 4:32 N-DFS
GRK: ἐπὶ τῇ διδαχῇ αὐτοῦ ὅτι
NAS: and they were amazed at His teaching, for His message
KJV: at his doctrine: for his
INT: at the teaching of him for

John 7:16 N-NFS
GRK: Ἡ ἐμὴ διδαχὴ οὐκ ἔστιν
NAS: them and said, My teaching is not Mine,
KJV: said, My doctrine is not
INT: my teaching not is

John 7:17 N-GFS
GRK: περὶ τῆς διδαχῆς πότερον ἐκ
NAS: he will know of the teaching, whether
KJV: of the doctrine, whether
INT: concerning the teaching whether from

John 18:19 N-GFS
GRK: περὶ τῆς διδαχῆς αὐτοῦ
NAS: His disciples, and about His teaching.
KJV: of his doctrine.
INT: concerning the teaching of him

Acts 2:42 N-DFS
GRK: προσκαρτεροῦντες τῇ διδαχῇ τῶν ἀποστόλων
NAS: to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship,
KJV: in the apostles' doctrine and
INT: steadfastly continuing in the teaching of the apostles

Acts 5:28 N-GFS
GRK: Ἰερουσαλὴμ τῆς διδαχῆς ὑμῶν καὶ
NAS: Jerusalem with your teaching and intend
KJV: with your doctrine, and
INT: Jerusalem of the teaching of you and

Acts 13:12 N-DFS
GRK: ἐπὶ τῇ διδαχῇ τοῦ κυρίου
NAS: being amazed at the teaching of the Lord.
KJV: at the doctrine of the Lord.
INT: at the teaching of the Lord

Acts 17:19 N-NFS
GRK: σοῦ λαλουμένη διδαχή
NAS: new teaching is which you are proclaiming?
KJV: this new doctrine, whereof thou
INT: you is spoken teaching

Romans 6:17 N-GFS
GRK: παρεδόθητε τύπον διδαχῆς
NAS: to that form of teaching to which
KJV: that form of doctrine which
INT: you were entrusted a form of teaching

Romans 16:17 N-AFS
GRK: παρὰ τὴν διδαχὴν ἣν ὑμεῖς
NAS: contrary to the teaching which
KJV: contrary to the doctrine which
INT: contrary to the teaching which you

1 Corinthians 14:6 N-DFS
GRK: ἢ ἐν διδαχῇ
NAS: of prophecy or of teaching?
KJV: or by doctrine?
INT: or in teaching

1 Corinthians 14:26 N-AFS
GRK: ψαλμὸν ἔχει διδαχὴν ἔχει ἀποκάλυψιν
NAS: has a teaching, has
KJV: hath a doctrine, hath
INT: a psalm has a teaching has a revelation

2 Timothy 4:2 N-DFS
GRK: μακροθυμίᾳ καὶ διδαχῇ
NAS: with great patience and instruction.
KJV: longsuffering and doctrine.
INT: patience and teaching

Titus 1:9 N-AFS
GRK: κατὰ τὴν διδαχὴν πιστοῦ λόγου
NAS: which is in accordance with the teaching, so
KJV: as he hath been taught, that
INT: according to the teaching faithful word

Hebrews 6:2 N-AFS
GRK: βαπτισμῶν διδαχῆς ἐπιθέσεώς τε
NAS: of instruction about washings
KJV: Of the doctrine of baptisms, and
INT: about washings of instruction of laying on moreover

Hebrews 13:9 N-DFP
GRK: διδαχαῖς ποικίλαις καὶ
NAS: and strange teachings; for it is good
KJV: strange doctrines. For
INT: With teachings various and

2 John 1:9 N-DFS
GRK: ἐν τῇ διδαχῇ τοῦ χριστοῦ
NAS: and does not abide in the teaching of Christ,
KJV: not in the doctrine of Christ, hath
INT: in the teaching of Christ

Strong's Greek 1322
30 Occurrences

διδαχαῖς — 1 Occ.
διδαχῇ — 16 Occ.
διδαχὴν — 7 Occ.
διδαχῆς — 6 Occ.

 

[TheLearner]

https://biblehub.com/greek/1322.htm

The Greek word can be correctly translated as doctrine or teaching.

 

[Dirtman]

so, the 1516 textus receptus is caught red handed applying FALSE MEANING!

Translations of διδαχή
noun
teaching
διδασκαλία, διδαχή

Teaching and doctrine are interchangeable words. This is another case of you just not liking a word and trying to dismiss it.
One of the literal definitions is ,"something that is taught".

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

1322. didaché ►
Strong's Concordance
didaché: doctrine, teaching
Original Word: διδαχή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: didaché
Phonetic Spelling: (did-akh-ay')
Definition: doctrine, teaching
Usage: teaching, doctrine, what is taught.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1322 didax (from 1321 /didáskō, "to teach") – established teaching, especially a "summarized" body of respected teaching (viewed as reliable, time-honored).

[The NT uses two feminine nouns (1319 /didaskalía, 1322 /didaxḗ) from the same root. For more on this see 1319 /didaskalía ("applied-teaching, systematic theology").]


NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from didaskó
Definition
doctrine, teaching
NASB Translation
instruction (2), teaching (27), teachings (1).

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1322: διδαχή

διδαχή, διδαχῆς ἡ (διδάσκω) (from Herodotus down);
1. teaching, viz. that which is taught: Mark 1:27; John 7:16; Acts 17:19; Rom. (); ; 2 John 1:10; Revelation 2:24; ἡ διδαχή τίνος, one's doctrine, i. e. what he teaches: Matthew 7:28; Matthew 16:12; Matthew 22:33; Mark 1:22; Mark 11:18; Luke 4:32; John 18:19; Acts 5:28; Revelation 2:14f; ἡ διδαχή of God, τοῦ κυρίου, τοῦ Χριστοῦ, the doctrine which has God, Christ, the Lord, for its author and supporter: John 7:17; Acts 13:12; 2 John 1:9; with the genitive of the object, doctrine, teaching, concerning something: Hebrews 6:2 (Winer's Grammar, 187 (176); 192 (181); 551 (513)); plural Hebrews 13:9.

2. (the act of) teaching, instruction, (cf. διδασκαλία (on the supposed distinction between the two words and their use in the N. T. see Ellicott on 2 Timothy 4:2; they are associated in 2 Timothy 4:2, 3; Titus 1:9)): Acts 2:42; 2 Timothy 4:2; ἐν τῇ διδαχή, while he was teaching, a phrase by which the Evangelist indicates that he is about to cite some of the many words which Jesus spoke at that time, Mark 4:2; Mark 12:38; τοῦ κατά τήν διδαχήν πιστοῦ λόγου, the faithful word which is in accordance with the received (2 Timothy 3:14) instruction, Titus 1:9; in particular, the teaching of the διδάσκαλος (which see 6) in the religious assemblies of Christians: λαλεῖν ἐν διδαχή, to speak in the way of teaching, in distinction from other modes of speaking in public, 1 Corinthians 14:6; ἔχω διδαχήν, to have something to teach, 1 Corinthians 14:26.



Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
doctrine, teaching
From didasko; instruction (the act or the matter) -- doctrine, hath been taught.

see GREEK didasko

Forms and Transliterations
διδαχαις διδαχαίς διδαχαῖς διδαχη διδαχή διδαχὴ διδαχῇ διδαχην διδαχήν διδαχὴν διδαχης διδαχής διδαχῆς didachais didachaîs didache didachē didachḗ didachḕ didachêi didachē̂i didachen didachēn didachḕn didaches didachês didachēs didachē̂s
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The first known use of doctrine was in the 14th century

so in the 14th Century [διδαχή] became the word Doctrine.

so i am correct, the Apostles wrote TEACHINGS and man turned TEACHINGS into Doctrine.

and you wonder why i don't trust Doctrines!

 

[Hazelelponi]

i believe in the Word of God because i am a Witness to what is has done in my life and others i know.
i Testify to it based upon how my life and the lives i know have been changed due to it.
for me, it's not a Creed, it's a lifestyle and way of life!

Actually - that's a faulty reason to believe Scripture.

The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents, written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that their writings were divine rather than human in origin. 2 Peter 1:16-21; Luke 1:1-4; 1 Corinthians 15:3-8

People like Malcom X and so very many more had their lives changed by falsehoods. You have to ground your faith in something that can be proven, something tangible.

Otherwise, how can you say your worshipping God in truth and others are following falsehoods?

Yes we believe in the Bible, but there are real, tangible, foundational reasons that can convince even the most cynical if you're grounded in facts first.

You may know the Holy Spirit, but that won't convince people. They have to see the foundation for belief first.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Actually - that's a faulty reason to believe Scripture.

The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents, written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that their writings were divine rather than human in origin. 2 Peter 1:16-21; Luke 1:1-4; 1 Corinthians 15:3-8

People like Malcom X and so very many more had their lives changed by falsehoods. You have to ground your faith in something that can be proven, something tangible.

Otherwise, how can you say your worshipping God in truth and others are following falsehoods?

Yes we believe in the Bible, but there are real, tangible, foundational reasons that can convince even the most cynical if you're grounded in facts first.

You may know the Holy Spirit, but that won't convince people. They have to see the foundation for belief first.

i was raised in the Church and was taught it all. but until you believe it means nothing.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Teaching and doctrine are interchangeable words. This is another case of you just not liking a word and trying to dismiss it.
One of the literal definitions is ,"something that is taught".

WRONG!

The first known use of doctrine was in the 14th century

so in the 14th Century [διδαχή] became the word Doctrine.

so i am correct, the Apostles wrote TEACHINGS and [[((man turned TEACHINGS))]] into Doctrine. (so typical of MAN)

and you wonder why i don't trust Doctrines!

 

[Dirtman]

WRONG!

The first known use of doctrine was in the 14th century

so in the 14th Century [διδαχή] became the word Doctrine.

so i am correct, the Apostles wrote TEACHINGS and [[((man turned TEACHINGS))]] into Doctrine. (so typical of MAN)

and you wonder why i don't trust Doctrines!

No they wrote words in Greek. Those words are translated to English. The form of English that you use is a much more modern language. The word doctrine is a middle English word derived from old French derived from latin. The word "doctrine" means teaching. You arent the determiner of the meaning of words.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

No they wrote words in Greek. Those words are translated to English. The form of English that you use is a much more modern language. The word doctrine is a middle English word derived from old French derived from latin. The word "doctrine" means teaching. You arent the determiner of the meaning of words.

i am the determiner of words when it comes to what i need to believe!

i determine what i watch vs Godly and ungodly, i determine what i listen to, in my walk in God i am the determiner of what i allow to influence me!

and doctrine was NEVER USED in the Word of God until the textus receptus removed Teachings for Doctrine!

 

[TheNarrowPath]

But we all disagree with each other as to the meaning of Scripture, the Old and New Testament. Whose interpretation of Scripture is authoritative?

Thats a great question! Can any of us be 100% certain that our meaning of Scripture is correct?

 

[Blik]

Christians all agree that Christ forgives, and saves us from the sin that kills, yet Christ knows we see darkly---no one living in the flesh truly understand the spiritual world. Our Savior loves and fogives us anyway.

Romans 15:7
Therefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God.

 

[Inquisitor]

Off the top of my head,
Council of Neocæsarea (A.D. 315)


"
Canon 4
If any man lusting after a woman purposes to lie with her, and his design does not come to effect, it is evident that he has been saved by grace."

I was referring to the Nicene Creed.

Your council of Neocaesarea, looks like church canon law, rather than a Creed, which specifies the doctrines of the faith.

 

[Inquisitor]

Early Church Fathers on Faith and Works
The Early Church Fathers on various topics: This was a 3700 hour project which included going through 22896 pages of the 38 volume set called Ante Nicene, Nicene, Post Nicene Fathers. I compiled 255 pages of quotes showing that the Early Church was always and completely Catholic. All of these quotes can be verified and found from the source which is free online.


Clement of Alexandria Stromata Book 2 Ch 8 (150-215 ad)
He, then, who from among the Gentiles and from that old life has betaken himself to faith, has obtained forgiveness of sins once. But he who has sinned after this, on his repentance, though he obtain pardon, ought to fear, as one no longer washed to the forgiveness of sins.

Do you mean Roman Catholic or lower case catholic?