Scripture is Our Source of Truth???????????

[Inquisitor]

before i ever knew there were Creeds, i already believed the bulletin points of the Creed. but i feel free to say i don't follow a Creed because i knew the Truths before i ever knew about Catholic Creeds!

Catholics have creeds. Protestants have creeds. The first century church had creeds. The Greek Orthodox have creeds. the Eastern Orthodox have creeds.

Many scholars suggest that 1 Corinthians 15, the statement made by Paul. Was, in fact, an early creed of the church. I would tend to agree with them on that one.

1 Corinthians 15:1
Now I make known to you, brothers and sisters, the gospel which I preached to you, which you also received, in which you also stand, by which you also are saved, if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I handed down to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Catholics have creeds. Protestants have creeds. The first century church had creeds. The Greek Orthodox have creeds. the Eastern Orthodox have creeds.

Many scholars suggest that 1 Corinthians 15, the statement made by Paul. Was, in fact, an early creed of the church. I would tend to agree with them on that one.

1 Corinthians 15:1
Now I make known to you, brothers and sisters, the gospel which I preached to you, which you also received, in which you also stand, by which you also are saved, if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I handed down to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

DBR!

It's the absolute Truth!

 

[Inquisitor]

you do know the nicene council were all Catholics? so, if you ever degrade the Catholic belief but follow their Creeds, what are you trying to really say?

the simplicity of the Gospel of Christ is so pure that anyone reading the Bible can understand it.

Creeds were made for the ILLITERATE! before the 10th Century, only the Bishops knew how to read and write. so they made Creeds for those who took their words for it.

i can read and write! i don't need their help!

I do not recognize the Roman Church as the Roman Catholic Church during the third or even during the fourth century.

The Nicene Creed is early in the fourth century (325 AD) and the Bishops from many churches attended. Constantine asked the church to explain it's doctrines. The deity of the Christ was included as a major point.

 

[Inquisitor]

DBR!

It's the absolute Truth!

That is the single most important doctrine in Christianity.

No one can be saved unless they touch base on that doctrine.

 

[Inquisitor]

for those of us who can read Hebrew/Aramaic, His Name is Yeshua/Eshu!

The name that Jesus gave to Moses was YHWH, the tetragrammaton. Try not to insert vowels into the tetragrammaton.

His name was concealed until His incarnation.

The name of Jesus is the name above all names.

 

[Amanuensis]

In the very beginning GOD SHOWS US exactly how the TEMPTER works in the words of God. To stay on the narrow path, the first words of the Ministry of Jesus must be heeded.

GOD COMMANDED

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

SATANS REPLY and necessary for every false doctrine and teaching
Yea, hath God said

Today it sounds like 'what He really meant' or 'that isn't what it says' or the like

Confirmed with His first words
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


GODS WORD PROVES THIS TO BE A FACT. Not that anyone will listen or take it to heart or do anything about it. No, they will just say 'they are called' to a different way AND SO HERE WE ARE.

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept MUST BE upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Isaiah 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Not a bit different today than the day it was written. A stubborn and stiff necked people they were, just as we are. BUT THEY MADE FUN OF WHAT THE PROPHET HAD TOLD THEM, they mocked it, acted like it didn't matter, went on about their own way,

Isaiah 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;

(and the RESULT of such foolishness)
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

ever read and wonder 'who'?
Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Isaiah 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.

Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves

Ever hear of the PRE TRIB RAPTURE THEORY? Remember what they were saying in Judah before they went into captivity of Babylon?
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TO US. But it did and it will.

Isaiah 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Isaiah 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

Isaiah 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Isaiah 28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

Isaiah 28:20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

Isaiah 28:21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

Isaiah 28:22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.

There is nothing new under the sun, what has been will be....

Reading Gods way, and in Gods order, GOD MOLDS our thoughts, His knowledge and His wisdom are placed PRECEPT ON PRECEPT so when it IS TIME for the "here a little.." the Holy Spirit make sure it is understood.

I don't want to start an argument but I am not sure people are using "precept upon precept, line upon line" the way the author intended when we use it as a positive method for bible study.

Wasn't he talking about a judgment in that context? Maybe we need to reassess how preachers have been applying that.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I do not recognize the Roman Church as the Roman Catholic Church during the third or even during the fourth century.

The Nicene Creed is early in the fourth century (325 AD) and the Bishops from many churches attended. Constantine asked the church to explain it's doctrines. The deity of the Christ was included as a major point.

when it takes men to decide if Jesus was deity, we have a failure. all i read in the Disciples of John from 100 AD to the 4th Century was the Deity of Christ. this is why Creeds are stupid. we already knew He was God in the flesh!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

That is the single most important doctrine in Christianity.

No one can be saved unless they touch base on that doctrine.

there's no reason it has to be a Creed!
any true Believer will believe in it no matter what.

 

[Inquisitor]

when it takes men to decide if Jesus was deity, we have a failure. all i read in the Disciples of John from 100 AD to the 4th Century was the Deity of Christ. this is why Creeds are stupid. we already knew He was God in the flesh!

Do you confess Jesus as the creator, even YHWH?

That will put you to the test.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The name that Jesus gave to Moses was YHWH, the tetragrammaton. Try not to insert vowels into the tetragrammaton.

His name was concealed until His incarnation.

The name of Jesus is the name above all names.

Yod, Heh, Waw, and Heh = YHWH = LORD

 

[Inquisitor]

there's no reason it has to be a Creed!
any true Believer will believe in it no matter what.

That is not true. You would be surprised at how many Christians do not understand, the fundamental tenets of their faith. You would be deeply shocked.

The vast majority of Christians do not read the scripture.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Do you confess Jesus as the creator, even YHWH?

That will put you to the test.

Jesus is the WORD!
Paul in Collosians tells us He was Creator of ALL things!

 

[Hazelelponi]

you do know the nicene council were all Catholics? so, if you ever degrade the Catholic belief but follow their Creeds, what are you trying to really say?

the simplicity of the Gospel of Christ is so pure that anyone reading the Bible can understand it.

Creeds were made for the ILLITERATE! before the 10th Century, only the Bishops knew how to read and write. so they made Creeds for those who took their words for it.

i can read and write! i don't need their help!

Actually, various creeds were written down as an effort to combat false/unbiblical beliefs that were being spread by false teachers attempting to lead people away from the truth.

The Nicene Creed was adopted to combat the Arian controversy etc. It had nothing to do with whether people could read or not. Look through history, every single written creed was an answer to various heresy's, whether real or perceived.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

That is not true. You would be surprised at how many Christians do not understand, the fundamental tenets of their faith. You would be deeply shocked.

The vast majority of Christians do not read the scripture.

really?

i follow no creed and know it better than you do!

 

[Amanuensis]

The name that Jesus gave to Moses was YHWH, the tetragrammaton. Try not to insert vowels into the tetragrammaton.

His name was concealed until His incarnation.

The name of Jesus is the name above all names.

Or Iesous in the Greek manuscripts, but I agree with your point.

The English speaking world knows Him as Jesus as well as much of the non English speaking world and that is the best word to use because it communicates better.

These new groups springing up daily trying to insist on pronouncing the name in some unique way reminds me of ancient Gnosticism. It reeks of an effort to be elite, or proponents of knowledge that opens mystic doors.

 

[Inquisitor]

Yod, Heh, Waw, and Heh = YHWH = LORD

Lord is a generic translation of YHWH. The word Lord is non specific. YHWH is a name. The word LORD is not a name but a title.

The translations fell for the Jewish myth. Not to pronounce the name of God in speech or in written form.

Non Jewish people will utter YHWH because they don't follow Jewish superstition.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Actually, various creeds were written down as an effort to combat false/unbiblical beliefs that were being spread by false teachers attempting to lead people away from the truth.

The Nicene Creed was adopted to combat the Arian controversy etc. It had nothing to do with whether people could read or not.

everyone was Catholic then. they already were following false doctrine by praying to Mary as Queen of Heaven!

 

[Inquisitor]

really?

i follow no creed and know it better than you do!

You are a winner.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Lord is a generic translation of YHWH. The word Lord is non specific. YHWH is a name. The word LORD is not a name but a title.

The translations fell for the Jewish myth. Not to pronounce the name of God in speech or in written form.

Non Jewish people will utter YHWH because they don't follow Jewish superstition.

take a deep breath in and release it!

you just spoke the Name of YHWH!

it's the Very life within your being!

the Creator of ALL things!

 

[Inquisitor]

Or Iesous in the Greek manuscripts, but I agree with your point.

The English speaking world knows Him as Jesus as well as much of the non English speaking world and that is the best word to use because it communicates better.

These new groups springing up daily trying to insist on pronouncing the name in some unique way reminds me of ancient Gnosticism. It reeks of an effort to be elite, or proponents of knowledge that opens mystic doors.

I agree.

Why do these sects and church movements always claim that they are the one true church.

Why do they possess the only true interpretation of the scripture.

Their eschatology is the only true eschatology.

Their doctrine is the doctrine that matters.

They all seem to read from the same script. And they are numerous and bordering on legion.

It gets tedious to hear the same lines. over and over again.