Differences between Christians and Christian Sciencists?

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TheLearner

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The first thing they teach somone is:

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The scientific statement of being
There is no life, truth, intelligence, nor substance in matter. All is infinite Mind and its infinite manifestation, for God is All-in-all. Spirit is immortal Truth; matter is mortal error. Spirit is the real and eternal; matter is the unreal and temporal. Spirit is God, and man is His image and likeness. Therefore man is not material; he is spiritual."

From Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures
by Mary Baker Eddy, p. 468:9–15
 

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Of all the “Christian” cults in existence, “Christian Science” is the most inaccurately named.
Christian Science is neither Christian nor based on science. Christian Science denies all the
core truths of what makes a system “Christian.” Christian Science is, in fact, opposed to science
and points to mystical new-age spirituality as the path for physical and spiritual healing.
Christian Science should be recognized and rejected as the anti-Christian cult that it is.
 

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Basic misinterpratation of the most important Christian doctrine by CS.,


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And this is resurrection!
ALICE WILT STRAUSS
Sepulcher, stone, resurrection. These three words, so generally associated with the Easter season, could represent stages of individual consciousness and steps of spiritual progress. In the proportion that we emerge from the sepulcher of mortal thinking, we are able to remove the stone—the stubborn beliefs of the carnal mind. Then we begin to experience resurrection.
In the Christian Science textbook Mary Baker Eddy defines "resurrection" as "spiritualization of thought; a new and higher idea of immortality, or spiritual existence; material belief yielding to spiritual understanding."1 And where does this "spiritualization of thought" take place? In individual consciousness.
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"When Jesus stood before the tomb of Lazarus, to raise his friend from death, he commanded, "Take ye away the stone." Wasn't he saying in substance, "Take away your belief of life in matter, your belief that Lazarus lived in a material body"? "
https://sentinel.christianscience.com/shared/view/6087yvss44
 

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God cannot indwell a person, S&H 336:19-20

This may be true for JW's too, unless you are a part of the 144,000.

I wonder what LDS, mormons claim on this.
 

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A CS once accused me of murdering her sister in Michigan. At the time of that event, I was in Denver, Co. It went to court and ended up in a comedy that would make I love Lucy a serious program.

qoute: The CS case against me:

MALICIOUS ANIMAL MAGNETISM
REV. MARY B. G. EDDY

From the February 1889 issue of The Christian Science Journal

One of the greatest crimes practiced in, or known to, the ages, is mental assassination. A mind liberated from the beliefs of sense, to do good, by perverting its power becomes warped into the lines of evil without let or hindrance.

The term "malicious animal magnetism" in Christian Science parlance refers to the human opposite of Christian Science, the mental malpractice which undertakes to ape after Christian Science even as quackery undertakes to follow the practice of the honest physician.

https://journal.christianscience.com/shared/view/umeiqhjy3c

https://bibletruthpublishers.com/mr...iefly-tested-by-scripture/a-j-pollock/la59193

"For instance, as part of its denial of materiality, Mary Baker Eddy’s sect of Christian Science claims that no one dies. On the death of Eddy’s third husband, Asa Gilbert Eddy, in 1882, which coincided with the election of Mazimo Sanatos as president of Uruguay, she tried to surmount this threat to her Manichaean dualism by explaining that he had “passed on” as a result of “malicious animal magnetism metaphysically induced.” "
https://www.crisismagazine.com/2000/coincidentally-animal-magnetism
 

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Mary Baker Eddy, the discoverer of Christian Science, coined a phrase to define the bullying effect of evil. She called it “malicious animal magnetism.” It designates the multitude of ways, whether hidden or overt, that would stop health, life, and peace from being the norm.
 

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Basically, they were claiming that by the power of my Mind, I killed her Sister. That would have put me on the level of God himself.
 

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Something well known about MBE,

"Brenneman also claims that Mary Baker Eddy, founder of the faith, resorted to pain killers when discomfort became unbearable. He writes: "She relied on opiates to kill the pain of kidney stones. The Christian Science Board of Directors was forced to acknowledge this when, after her death, memoirs of household members surfaced in the press. To what extent she used the drug is uncertain. In his diaries, her devoted aide Calvin Frye describes multiple instances of morphine use by the prophetess." "
 

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"Eddy was addicted to morphine in the seventies." A diary kept by Calvin Frye, Eddy's personal secretary, suggests that Eddy occasionally reverted to "the old morphine habit" when she was in pain. ""


Two 1931 German Plays about Mary Baker Eddy - Project MUSEhttps://muse.jhu.edu › article › summary
by GW Gadberry · 1994 · Cited by 1 — If religion is the opiate of the masses, morphine was the crutch of Mary Baker Eddy. Her chronic use of the then legal drug and her probable ...

A Philosophical Critique of Christian Science | Evidence Unseenhttps://www.evidenceunseen.com › world-religions › a-...
REASON #4: Mary Baker Eddy was addicted to morphine—a painkiller. Mrs. Eddy's Christian Science denies the existence of pain, and yet, she herself took ...

Overachiever | Caroline Fraser | The New York Review of Bookshttps://www.nybooks.com › Articles
Apr 27, 2000 — Gillian Gill begins her admiring biography of Mary Baker Eddy with these ... such as Eddy's occasional use of morphine during illness, ...

The Spiritualist Movement: Speaking with the Dead in America ...https://books.google.com › books
Christopher M. Moreman · 2013 · ‎Body, Mind & Spirit
Eddy acknowledged morphine use in “Falsehood” around 1885 in Mary Baker Eddy, Miscellaneous Writings, 1883–1896 (Boston: Allison V. Stewart, 1917), 248–49.

The Spiritualist Movement: Speaking with the Dead in America ...
https://books.google.com › books



Christopher M. Moreman · 2013 · ‎Body, Mind & Spirit
Eddy acknowledged morphine use in “Falsehood” around 1885 in Mary Baker Eddy, Miscellaneous Writings, 1883–1896 (Boston: Allison V. Stewart, 1917), 248–49.

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/488386/summary
 

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REASON #1: Mrs. Eddy’s “terrible fall” wasn’t that terrible
Mrs. Eddy exaggerated the claims of her “terrible fall” in 1866. Gardner writes,

Mrs. Eddy’s claim that Dr. Cushing told her that her spinal problem was incurable and that she had but three days to live was another of her fibs. On January 2, 1907, the Union of Springfield, Massachusetts, published a long, notarized affidavit by Dr. Cushing in which he stoutly denied having told Mrs. Eddy any such things. The statement was reprinted in a series of fourteen sensational articles about Mrs. Eddy that ran in McClure’s magazine in 1907 and 1908. Before giving this affidavit, let me digress with some remarks about this series, which aroused enormous excitement when it appeared. The articles were revised and expanded in 1909 as a book titled The Life of Mary Baker G. Eddy and the History of Christian Science by Georgine Milmine. It was the first major attack on Mrs. Eddy, and the primary source for all later unauthorized biographies, including these chapters.[1]

Even friendly biographers like Gillian Gill stated,

As Dr. Cushing recalled, Mrs. Patterson [Mary Baker Eddy] had indeed suffered some kind of concussion and was semihysterical, complaining of severe pain in her head and neck. But there had never been any suggestion on his part that her injury was so serious as to induce paralysis or death.[2]

Kenneth Boa writes,

This story is more than a little suspect, however, since the physician in question denied under oath that he pronounced her to be in dangerous physical condition. He also said she visited him four times later in 1866 to receive medical treatments. Furthermore, a pupil of the late P.P. Quimby received a letter from her two weeks after her fall saying that she had not yet recovered.[3]

REASON #2: Mrs. Eddy plagiarized her ideas from others
Mrs. Eddy stated that her discovery of Christian Science was unique. In Science and Health, Mary Baker Eddy wrote,

In the year 1866, I discovered the Science of Metaphysical Healing, and named it Christian Science. God had been graciously fitting me, during many years, for the reception of a final revelation of the absolute Principle of Scientific Mind-healing. No human pen or tongue taught me the science contained in this book and neither tongue nor pen can overthrow it. (Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures)

However, despite this claim, critics have noticed clear plagiarisms of her work from others who wrote before her. Gardner writes,

It is not a coincidence that 1866, the year Quimby died, was the very year Mrs. Eddy finally decided was the year God had revealed to her the mighty truth of Christian Science, a truth that had not been given to mankind since the time of Christ.[4]

Mrs. Eddy was not the first to use the term [Christian Science]. As early as 1854 a minister named William Adams titled his book The Elements of Christian Science. Quimby himself used the term in an 1863 paper, although he preferred to call his theology ‘Christ Science.’[5]

Few Christian Scientists realize that Mrs. Eddy’s writings… also bristle with plagiarisms. Quite aside from what she stole from Quimby’s papers, and from early books on mind healing, she copied shamelessly, often word for word, from John Ruskin, Thomas Carlyle, Charles Kingsley, Swiss critic Henri Amiel, and from other authors… not once did she credit her sources or even suggest to readers that she was cribbing.[6]

Gardner cites these plagiarisms side by side with the stolen works in chapter nine of his book The Healing Revelations of Mary Baker Eddy.[7]
https://www.evidenceunseen.com/worl...-philosophical-critique-of-christian-science/
 

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REASON #3: Denial of disease
In her book Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, Mrs. Eddy denied the existence of disease:

In such cases a few persons believe the potion swallowed by the patient to be harmless, but the vast majority of mankind, though they know nothing of this particular case and this special person, believe the arsenic, the strychnine, or whatever the drug used, to be poisonous, for it is set down as a poison by mortal mind. Consequently, the result is controlled by the majority of opinions, not by the infinitesimal minority of opinions in the sick-chamber. (Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures (177:31-32; 178:1-7).

The less we know or think about hygiene, the less we are predisposed to sickness. (Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures 389:5-7).

The Scientist knows that there can be no hereditary disease, since matter is not intelligent and cannot transmit good or evil intelligence to man, and God, and only Mind, does not produce pain in matter. (Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures 412:31-32; 413:1-2)

You say a boil is painful; but that is impossible, for matter without mind is not painful. The boil simply manifests, through inflammation and swelling, a belief in pain, and this belief is called a boil. Now administer mentally to your patient a high attenuation of truth, and it will soon cure the boil. (Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures 153:16-21).

The sick are not healed merely by declaring there is no sickness, but by knowing that there is none (Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures 447:27-29).

It is plain that God does not employ drugs or hygiene, nor provide them for human use; else Jesus would have recommended and employed them in his healing. (Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures 143:5)

The tender word and Christian encouragement of an invalid, pitiful patience with his fears and the removal of them, are better than hecatombs of gushing theories, stereotyped borrowed speeches, and the doling of arguments, which are but so many parodies on legitimate Christian Science, aflame with divine Love. (Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures 367:3)

Of course, this denial of disease has led to many people dying due to lack of medical care. However, Mrs. Eddy couldn’t live consistently with her beliefs. She said, “But if it were my child I should let them vaccinate him and then with Christian Science I would prevent its harming the health of my child.”[8] Additionally, Whorton writes, “Eddy did not believe in communicable disease, of course, but for purposes of avoiding legal conflict and negative publicity, she came around to recommending ‘that Christian Scientists decline to doctor infectious or contagious diseases.’ For the same reasons, church members agreed to accept medical treatment for seriously ill children, as well as vaccination of children.”[9]
 

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REASON #4: Mary Baker Eddy was addicted to morphine—a painkiller
Mrs. Eddy’s Christian Science denies the existence of pain, and yet, she herself took painkillers and may have been addicted to them.[10] In 1888, Mary Baker Eddy denied her use of drugs like morphine. She writes, “I use no drugs whatever, not even coffea (coffee), thea (tea), capsicum (red pepper); though every day, and especially at dinner, I indulge in homoeopathic doses of natrum muriaticum (common salt).”[11] However, it is beyond dispute that Mrs. Eddy used morphine. Whorton writes,

In her later years Eddy used eyeglasses and a dental plate, and when in the early 1900s she began to suffer from gallstones she readily accepted a physician’s prescription of morphine; she in fact resorted to the drug repeatedly for the rest of her life. Mrs. Eddy also had her grandchildren vaccinated and paid for a mastectomy for her sister-in-law.[12]

Calvin Frye—a close, personal servant of Mrs. Eddy—writes in a diary,

Mr. Dickey last night told Mrs. Eddy that she shall not have any more morphine! She had for several days been suffering… but yesterday seemed normal and so having had hypodermic injections twice within a few days he believed she did not need it but that it was the old morphine habit reasserting itself and would not allow her to have it.[13]

Miranda Rice wrote an article in the New York World (October 30, 1906) in which she said,

I was one of Mrs. Eddy’s first converts and associates. I have treated her hundreds of times. Finally we could not support Mrs. Eddy’s pretensions to evil powers. We resigned in a body. I was not able to subscribe to Mrs. Eddy’s practices. When she received my resignation she came to my house and pounded on all three of the doors with a stone. She was wild. She sent me word she intended to have me arrested for deserting her. I know that Mrs. Eddy was addicted to morphine in the seventies. She begged me to get some for her. She sent her husband Mr. Eddy for some, and when he failed to get it went herself and got it. She locked herself in her room for two days excluded everyone. She was a slave to morphine.[14]

Gardner writes, “Mrs. Eddy’s adopted son, Ebenezer Foster, also spoke about his foster mother’s morphine addiction in an interview in the New York World (March 12, 1907). Mrs. Eddy had accused him of falsifying her account books.”[15] Boa writes, “She herself periodically relied on doctors and medication, and ultimately she was unable to prevent her own death.”[16]
 

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REASON #5: Malicious Animal Magnetism
Mrs. Eddy’s first student—Richard Kennedy—left her school after an argument. Mrs. Eddy believed that he was using mind powers to harm her, and she had a name for these mysterious mind powers: malicious animal magnetism (MAM). Gill writes, “As Mrs. Eddy saw it, Kennedy had not only deceived her and let her down; he had sought to subvert the very basis of her teaching by using his powerful mesmeric abilities to undo the good she was seeking to do for patients.”[17] Whorton writes,

For Eddy, MAM was the agency utilized by rivals and enemies to undermine her benevolent mission of healing… When Eddy’s husband passed away in 1882, she announced in the Boston Post that his death ‘was caused by malicious mesmerism,’ even though the autopsy she had requested showed that he had been stricken by heart disease. Whenever attempts at healing through Christian Science failed, it was due to someone subverting the process with MAM.[18]

Based on her understanding of MAM, Mrs. Eddy became paranoid of others using mind powers to malign her. Gill writes,

The ‘watchers,’ or spiritual staff, worked in shifts, under daily instructions from Mrs. Eddy, to ‘meet’ the challenges of each day and to combat Malicious Animal Magnetism whether it manifested as a misplaced document, an unseasonal cold snap, an infectious cold, or a hostile newspaper article. There were at least two hour-long ‘watch’ meetings every day at Pleasant View, and watchers were also supposed to work on their assigned topic individually during the day … Eddy got the term watch from the New Testament narrative of the night in the garden of Gethsemane, when Jesus chides his disciples for being unable to watch him even a little while.[19]

Mrs. Eddy’s third husband—Asa Eddy—died of heart failure. But because she was so fixated with MAM, Mrs. Eddy denied the physical heart disease of her husband. Instead, she was convinced that opponents of Christian Science were using MAM to kill her husband. Gardner writes,

When Asa Eddy finally died in 1882, Mrs. Eddy was so convinced of her crazy theory about the cause of death that she ordered Dr. Noyes to perform an autopsy. This he did, finding no trace of anything resembling arsenic poisoning. He even showed her Mr. Eddy’s defective heart, but Mrs. Eddy’s opinion was so set that she refused to believe it was a damaged heart that killed her husband.[20]

Later in life, she believed that up to 50,000 people were trying to kill her with this MAM.
 

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